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dan67
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I own a PE-1. Several times, I've had huge, productive reactions to putting a substance on my solerplexus and "photoning" it. My best results have been from taping a regular bottle of Bactrim to my chest (curious, huh?) and then using some Borrelia nosodes.

However, 90% of the time, I must be choosing the wrong substance at the wrong time, because 90% of the time, the treatment does nothing.

I know without a doubt that it works because the couple times it HAS worked, it has been among the most powerful treatments I've ever used.

I know I need to muscle test or ART the substances, which I'm trying, but just not having much luck.

Any comments welcome. Thanks.

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I am in the same situation as you. I have only used borrelia nosodes, and have had intense reactions to this lasting several days.

I would love to add in a detox nosode to help this clear, but I dont know what timing to do this so I don't mess up the borrelia nosode.

I have not NOT had a reaction yet and am using several different potencies of borrelia at once. My guess is once I stop reacting to these I could move up in potency or try blood nosodes.

I dont know how to muscle test either.

It is a guessing game for those of us who dont test.

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dan and kimmie, what was your huge reaction and where are you now compared to where you started?

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After I use the PE-1 with nosodes, about 24-48 hours later pain starts to creep in and increases in intensity for a few days....lasting about 3-4 days followed by relief.

My pain and swelling in my joints was significant before starting PE-1 6 weeks ago. Today....swelling GONE and pain down atleast 50% I have days now with no pain. I also had numbness in my hands which is gone.

My primary problem is borrelia and my main problem has been pain. I never had fatigue but sometimes get it after using the PE-1 with nosodes.

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Guys, in case you used most potencies in the right order (even not muscle testing them), but giving time for each to act in your body, and reached the highest (200C then finally 1,000K), and you still feel sick, ...

... well my guess is that borrelia could be not the main problem now, but something else?

I remember I also used the Borrelia antigen nosodes from Meripharm at one point, and that they really helped me. I never used blood nosodes back then... Possibly, I wouldn't need these antigen nosodes had I used blood nosodes (just a guess).

You might have to come back to borrelia treatment after, but now, couldn't it be something else?

What are your symptoms and could that be attributed to bart, babs, mycoplasma, viruses, parasites, strep, candida, for example?

When done right, you guys said right, it is THE most powerful thing for some infections, in my opinion too.

But it is not a miracle and not a single bullet treatment. Dr. W's protocol deal only with one part of the infectious part of lyme (plus some detoxing). That is all.

Kimmie, I answered your PM. Have you got it?

it looks to me that the treatment for you is still working, don't stop it (my feeling). If you feel changes (and for good, as you said, numbness gone, etc), why stopping? Sending you my fingers crossed!

The fatigue, I almost always get it after using the PE1 with nosodes, in case I get the right nosode. The fatigue is so intense, that it can put me down to the sofa or bed. Even if it lasts a couple of hours, it almost always happen to me when infection is very active.

My feeling for antimicrobial treatments is that anything that works CHANGES something in your body, for good or for bad (at least temporarily). it could be fatigue, herx pain, diarrhea, constipation, eye sight gets better or worse, I mean, 'something' changes...

If you take any antimicrobial treatment that does nothing perceptible for one whole week, in my feeling, it's the wrong treatment for that MOMENT. It can be a good treatment for ANOTHER moment, later in your treatment though.

Photons are not an exception. No change at all for 1 whole week = not working.

Of course, in the LATEST phase of healing, when you barely have any symptoms, you have to give more than a week to feel changes, but when you got very active infection, ...

...any herb, abx, acupuncture treatment, photon, homeopathic treatment, anything must cause some shift in symptoms and quite fast, in my opinion.

that is only my opinion, but I believe it fully. Everytime I got the exact right treatment, taken at the exact amount, timing, detoxing, wow, it was like a window finally opening to the sunlight. And so fast changes can be seen.

It happened so many times, even if I had to take 60 different stuff a day to feel that (before photons). That is why I believe so much in energetic tests. Once you tune the treatment to your exact phase of healing, it is like magic happening.

No matter what the treatment you do, even with the correct amount and mixture of abx.

In our case, we did the whole of dr. K's treatments that we were recommended to do (and still more), before we fell into photon treatment. I suspect that all the detox done before did help us somehow too.

What the ART practioners basically do is:
-detox heavy metals,
-keep your meridians flowing (the photons do help there too),
-do psycho detox,
-detox your mouth and treat it,
-support all your main organs, specially detox organs at a daily level (3-4 times a day, you do some detox treatment, fully personalized),
-help discover hidden infections and their treatments,
-suggest you a diet that is allergy free (different for each person).

The main idea in supporting your organs is that, without functioning organs, no matter what you do, disease will come back again.

If your kidney, thyroide, adrenals, GI tract, liver are in big trouble (as it is common for lyme sufferers), how do you expect that killing a few critters will give your health fully back?

I'm just writing to try to give you both some other path to help you finding ways to go further treating....

While my lyme is long gone now, I am still in treatment, somehow. I am still treating remaining food allergies, bad energy circulation, I just ended fighting candida recently again (through detoxing my liver)..

My last anti candida treatment involved purely liver detox, that was basically all. No anti microbial, except for chlorella (that is antimicrobial, but mild).

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Brussels, can you briefly describe the method by which you performed energetic testing? Thanks.
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Bringing this thread up for two reasons:

1. I'd also like to hear the method of energy testing used by Brussels and others. I've tried doing muscle testing w/dd, and it hasn't been reliable so I'm not sure how to learn it. Am wondering if tensor would be better?

2. What role/effect does the Bionic and/or PE1 have on the cyst form of Lyme?

Thanks!

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(aMomWithHope, your answer for #2 is below, in the last paragraph in the quotation marks...)

The Bionic gets rid of virus and bacterial infections so for me that was 4/5 of my pathogen load.

When I was in Toronto at the conference this year, I picked up a brochure that had a quote from the Medical and Executive Director of the Borrelia Clinic in Augsburg, Germany. Dr. N is an MD and a PhD. The BCA is has recently begun to incorporate the Bionic in their treatment of Lyme.

He says, "According to our experience Photon Therapy can significantly support the anti-infective treatment of Lyme Disease.

In the beginning we only used photons to support integrative/alternative treatment protocols, but today it is regularly used as an additional therapy in all conventional/allopathic treatment protocols.

Photons are light quanta, which can change the milieu inside the cell. The treatment causes intracellular Borrelia bacteria and other pathogens to leave the inside of the cell. They can then be fought more effectively by traditional or herbal anti-infective medicine. We believe that this gives us a chance to significantly reduce the duration of the treatment."

For me, the Bionic has gotten rid of borrelia, ehrlichia, and just the last remains of bartonella remains. (The only thing I notice is the webbing under my skin after a shower or when I'm cold.) I am treating babesia with herbs now.

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Thanks Hens!

You quoted: "They can then be fought more effectively by traditional or herbal anti-infective medicine. We believe that this gives us a chance to significantly reduce the duration of the treatment."

So would I need to add back "killing" agents once we start the photon, since it seems the cyst-form would be possibly opening and Bb could become active again?

When you got back home from Germany, did you add back in some herbals to help clean up any active infection or just relied on the photon therapy to kick up the immune system to take over?

DD is now off all abx for a trial period--so far so good--and is only on herbs. Our hope is to keep it this way, transition to the Bionic or PE1 for completion of treatment.

I'm SO nervous at this point of her being off abx, but I couldn't keep her on them any longer--her anxiety was getting to be too great (a side effect--I just recently learned--related to doxy and azithro--ugh!).

Thanks for your help!

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This is a change in protocol for sure. In the past, it has been said that we should not use any other killing agents with the Bionic or PE-1. This seems to be saying that the Bionic/PE-1 should be used in conjunction with other killing agents. Hmm ...
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From what I understand, this clinic has treated with abx and has recently started treating by other, more natural approaches.

The way I understood this quote is that this doctor is looking at a patient's entire picture and saying photon and killing agents are needed. He doesnt' say at the same time.

The Bionic kills bacteria and virus but most of us have more than that. I think he's talking about treating the entire illness by using photon for some infections and herbs, etc for other infections.

I added his quote here, not to confuse anything about photon treatment (treatment instructions have not changed) but to share what this doctor says about photons changing the milieu inside the cells (Brussels has said this many times).

I used only photons for my infections of borrelia, ehrlichia, bartonella and EBV. A few months after I got home from Germany, I felt very strongly that I had to add my borrelia nosodes back in with the blood nosodes (tape them all on) for a week or two. I got a strong reaction when I did that and I treated that way until the strong reaction went away.

At the time, I didn't understand really why that was happening but I was glad that treatment helped me feel better. Looking back, knowing what I know now, I believe it quite likely that cysts had opened and I was treating an active borrelia infection again. The borrelia symptoms were short lived and I started back treating only with blood again.

I am currently taking cryptolepis for babesia. Sometimes I treat with the Bionic (when I have the urge), to keep my immune system strong and also to detox liver and kidneys. At this time I probably use the Bionic once every 2-3 weeks. I've slowed coffee enemas down to 1-2 times a week too as I no longer feel toxic.

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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. It's obviously a powerful tool with many different ways to use it.
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I've been treating with the PE-1, while pressing some abx in one hand against the place below the sternum. I've used 2 Biaxin, 2 Zith, and 2 Bactrim, or else, 2 Biaxin, 2 Nystatin, and 2 Cefdinir.

Those are old abx left over from 2008.

They do seem to work! They remove symptoms for about a day.

Since they seem to work, i cut down on herbs, omitting the GSE and the Andrographis.

Now i'm confused by the above info from Augsburg. So should i continue with the killer herbs or not? Does it make a difference?

Polly Polygonum

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I wonder what it would do with some parasite meds? I'm probably not brave enough to try that.
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Per Dr.K.'s recent public statement at a seminar in Europe to a very large group of practitioners: "Bionic 880 modulates the immune system; it does not cause
a reduction in germs." In other words, it does not kill. After my own experience, I totally agree.

People have to be aware when it comes to toxic burden load. Reducing the load is primary. I don't think that can be done with Bionic or photons per se.

Re Parasite meds - please read Sparkle's excellent contribution today on that subject.
I am certain that pharmaceuticals are the only solution for that. I don't think we gain much by having to kill parasites with herbs for many months or Salt & C for a couple of years. The combination used on and off may do. But without pharma, I don't think it will work. I have heard that so many times from Dr. K. and he would be the last that would push pharmas.

We need to do what works.

Take care.

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Dr. K is absolutely right. No one says the Bionic kills germs. That's the whole point. The Bionic (photon light) gives your immune system the ability to kill the germs on its own. There is nothing better than an immune system that is switched on again!

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Gigi, I would be very happy to find a doctor around here (Hershey, PA) who would give me a prescription for Dr. K's parasite pharmaceuticals. I've tried but no luck.

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17, I am afraid it is and can be quite a long road from modulating to killing. Doing it right is the trick. For some people, it is not the right thing to do. Many who have done this did not help themselves and were not helped. They are still very sick, some very sick years later, with or without Bionic.

I am sure there are doctors anywhere who agree that most parasites are not desirable. Possibly find another doctor, maybe in another state, who treats with a more open mind. After all, the vets are treating pets and horses. We get it from them in many cases.

Parasite treatment has moved up to literally treatment number one when it comes to chronic disease and Lyme. Please read Sparkle's excellent post of today. Many consider some forms of Bartonella parasitic. and certainly Babesia falls into that category.

Good things for you.

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