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tickedoff2wice
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I HAVE VERY THICK BLOOD AND IT IS DARK. I SUFFER WITH A LOT OF PAIN AND NEURO. I HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT BOTH BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHICH IS BEST FOR THESE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS BIOFILM...IT'S ALL SO CONFUSING. THANKS
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boluke is supposed to be the best but is more expensive ! I use the allergy research brand and it does the same thing and is less expensive also fish oil will help thin your blood out a little !

you can also do heparin shots if your ok with needles in your belly but you must have a doctor prescribe them and then give your self the shot !

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Bolouke is the same as lumbrokinase... but Bolouke is a specific brand, with research to confirm that it works. You may be able to buy "just" lumbrokinase and it work. I would buy a good brand, not the cheap stuff.

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We just got Boulouke from my daughters LLMD. It is expensive. We just started so we havent noticed anything yet.

Hope to break biofilms from the fry bug.

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My daughter has been taking it for 6 months. She has improved with regard to what I considered thick blood (very difficult to draw) and some breathing/yawning symptoms.

She does also have the Fry bug.

Yes, it is expensive, but this is the most apparent improvement I've noticed.

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Dark blood? Check for mold.

Natto is sometimes used before using Bolouke.

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I would take Heprn if your Dr will give it to you. Dr K prefers it for biofilms.
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Obviosuly I hadn't been on in a while...a lot happening with our health and family right now.

Tin, interesting you mention mold, we had an air sample test done and it was elevated in 2 out of 4 rooms. Have NO idea what we are going to do or where it's coming from. $Treatment$ vs Meds/Food really. I literally feel like we are stuck in a death trap

Whitney, have you had good success and seen great improvement since the last post? If so, what did you notice?

I thought I had researched just about everything but have never heard of the FRY bug...what is that?

Anyone have an affordable, trustworthy source of Lumbrokinase. I see a lot of 1-2 pilss 3 times a day with 30 quantity and SO expensive! If my calculations are correct, that would be a little over a week?

When do you take it and how often (how long before abx or food, etc or after abx, etc)?


Thank you for all the great answers

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Fry bug is FL1953 or protomyzoa rheumatica. Rather new discovery, but you can search on here or google for more info. Malaria-like protozoa found by Dr. F in AZ.
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Boluoke is crazy effective for me
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Heparin can also take calcium out of your bones so it is not something you want to take long term. Lumbrokinase/boluoke is safe but it takes a lot of it to work. Dr. F says the low fat vegan diet is the best thing for breaking up biofilm. It is working well for me.

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Thanks SoS, I am going to google it now!

Canefan do you notice a big difference between that and regular Lumbro?

Thanks for the advise Nefferdun, it's good to know this ahead of time. I can't tell you how many times I've tried something and not known that it can be a detriment as well.

I have low bone density (20% below normal for my age group) and I am losing parts of my teeth (where they meet the gums) so I appreciate you letting me (and the rest of us) know this ahead of time!

Any reason why this happens who has good hygene and sees a dentist every 6 months...Lyme I'm sure [Roll Eyes]

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Huge difference
Arguably the strongest supplement I've ever taken.

Probably speaks volume to the damage Bart/Lyme have done on my blood (thick, fibrin, nodules)

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ProHealth sells Bolouke at the most reasonable price I could find. If you sign up for the auto ship it may be cheaper as well.

I used Bolouke for many years. But when I read that a LLMD I know uses Allergy Research brand cause they filter out all but the enzyme so less problems for patients I began using it. It is also much less expensive.

Hope you figure out what is best for you. [Smile]

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N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) also breaks up biofilm. It is a reasonably-priced natural supplement. I take 3,000 mg a day. Several studies show it breaks up biofilm, and is a glutathione precursor. Go to pubmed and search "biofilm NAC".

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paulie

You don't find that that much NAC mobilizes lots of mercury?

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- cistus incanus tea from Biopure
- serrapeptase (such as SerraGold from Enzymedica)
- Detoxamin suppositories
- ceyenne pepper powder, I use 1/8 tsp twice a day
- nitotinic acid (such as NiaVasc from Xymogen)
- very low fat diet
- Allicidin from Premier Research Labs (garlic extract plus herbs)

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quote:
Originally posted by canefan17:
paulie

You don't find that that much NAC mobilizes lots of mercury?

I was not aware of this issue with NAC. How does that happen? And what would the symptoms be?

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Are systemic enzymes safe to take if one has Hemophilia (Factor VIII defiency, no Von-Willebrand's)??

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NAC breaks up biofilms I never knew that and have been taking it all along
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Does NAC on its own break up biofilms or is more needed to be taken with it to kill biofilms especially if I am also starting detoxamin?
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Does NAC on its own break up biofilms or is more needed to be taken with it to kill biofilms especially if I am also starting detoxamin?
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This is all great advice. However, ever sinnce I read about the NAC immobilizing the Mercury to the brain if not done properly it scared me so I stopped taking.

I know I need it but feel I have little direction, can anyone advise on brand, dosage for safety and effectiveness.

Thanks for the clarification Celtic Ladee, I will go and look inot the two brands and see what we can come up with. Good to know

Canefan thanks for the clarification. Do you think it's better than Rechts Regulat? I ordered some but don't notice a difference. Or maybe it is helping and I am having a flare up from something else.

All I know is my joints (esp. in my hands) hurt so bad and I am having some tingling in my feet and hands..hence the reason I don't get on much

Thanks again everyone!

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Never taken Rechts. no need to at this point.
Boluoke is the most powerful supplement I've ever taken (again ,prolly speaks volume to my hypercoagulation issues due to Bart, C677T, Babs, and Lyme.

Bye bye POTS once you start Boluoke. And bye bye cold hands and feet : )

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Whats POTS??? Cold hands and feet, oh yes..and did you get these things they are calling "fatty tumors" along your arm and legs, etc?! As soon as I finish this bottle of RR I'm getting some. Where do you buy yours from?
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canefan 17,,,the best ever!!!!!!!!!!!!??????
What all did it help with?/ How/when and with what was it taken??

Did you start slow and work up?

I bought it and so far have taken 1 every other night..

Hope to get ABX/s working in the nuks and crannies..

Only told I have thick blood from holistic type ,under a special microscope...
Not having trouble drawing blood...

Lot's of pain, spasms ,etc in back and legs mostly

So again What? How? When? Why?

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Canefan, what is your dosing schedule for the Boluoke?

It's great to read such a positive response to treatment!

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Canefan, what is your dosing schedule for the Boluoke?

It's great to read such a positive response to treatment!

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If you have the CBS mutations (and 90% of chronically ill patients do), then you should not be taking Cysteine because of the sulfates in it.

Heparin can cause osteoporosis. Even young women that take it during pregnancy can develop osteoporosis and get fractures.

You need to take lumbrokinase/boluoke on an empty stomach. You should take two three times a day. I read it will reduce the coagulation of your blood 10% in one month, so it is not real quick acting (wish I could find that link). I only take two once a day.

Boluoke is the best of the lumbronkinase, which is earth worm protein. It was used in China for strokes. Nattokinase is made from soy and not as effective. Here is a site I found - kind of interesting.

ttp://www.lymediseaseresource.com/Biofilm_Busting_Protocols.html

Another thing that is supposed to work is triphala.

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Boluoke was quick acting for me and the Doctor who fields calls at Canada RNA gave me the info on why for some of us an immediate reaction is seen (positive)

He said if I had a transient hypoperfusion issue or ischemic issue once the circulation is improved by Boluoke... you may not experience that again (meaning it worked)

He said it's not a blood thinner. It's a fibrinolytic agent that breaks dow firbn and decreases blood viscosity. It also activates the body's plasminogen system, which will also break down certain proteins in the blood.


For me the results were felt by day 3 of taking it twice a day (though looking back twice a day was mistake)

The tincture drops of sida acuta (15 drops per day 3xs) and Houttuynia 4 caps 3 times per day.... had to be cut back to 2 drops of sida acuta and 1 capsule of houttuynia.

On the 3rd down I got blindsided by a REALLY bad neuro herx. One of my worst and scariest ones yet. Sida acuta really hits Bart/Babs for me and it was def a herx (crying, seizure like activity, anxiety)... then relief later.

Now I'm at 1 drop of sida acuta per day. And 2 caps Houttuynia. It also packs a punch in the gut for me. I think it hits biofilms or at least penetrates them because the houttuynia is hitting Bartonella deep in my gut now (thank god - this is big time Bart hang out)

I'm taking Boluoke 1 in AM everyday except Sunday. I will move up t 2/day later.

Symptoms improved: POTS gone, cold hands/feet gone, clearer vision, less palpitations (especially at night), less fatigue as it makes detoxing easier, and drives anti-microbals of all kind deeper.

10/10 for me
(sorry so long)

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I had a similar experience to Canefan with it. I have been taking Boluoke for 1.5 years, at one point was up to 6 per day per doc's orders. The Canada RNA company says that 6 per day allowed some of their treating physicians to take patients OFF their heparin. It's VERY expensive though. Also, the improvements I had initially have plateaued, so what the doc told Canefan makes sense.

I tried other lumbrokinase from ARG and had no effect.

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Good advise Nefferdun, thanks for the link. What is CBS mutations?

Canefan, that is interesting to know about the response. I find that most of the medicines I take either make me feel very sick or work a few times and then never again (at least not the same way as in the beggining). So it seems you are on a herbal protocol now? If you don;t mind pming me your Dr name I would appreciate that.
Again, what is POTS? All the symptoms improved for you are what are most troublesome to me now...interesting.

CD57 that is interesting but definately makes sense. DO you think that maybe the Lyme becomes immune to it? What do you take now and are you feeling better?

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Thanks, Canefan, that's very interesting.
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