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G282
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one lyme clinician says yes - it might make me worse and I don't have reserve to handle it hence we should wait.

2nd opinion clinician says - no way, need IV now especially after being on orals for 3 years with not a lot to show for it - although small improvements - still disabled

Ok, now I'm really confused. Any ideas, suggestions, input?

THANKS!

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poppy
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If you had not been treated at all and were in a fragile condition, then maybe starting with orals and working up to IV would be a good idea. So, lyme doc would be right in this scenario. This would be ramping up technique.

But since you have been treated with orals a long time already, then maybe IV is a logical next step, so lyme doc would be right here.

It all depends. And you might be the only one who can make the decision in the face of differing medical opinions.

IV could make you worse because of the herx. So, if you did this treatment, then be prepared for ways to survive it. Stop for a short time, use herx remedies, etc.

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i would say, yes, at some point you just become too ill for treatment. then it's time to look at parasites, candida, etc.

better to let your system heal for ahwile then start over.

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Yes, one can be too ill for it. It could cause damage to liver and kidneys if your overall toxic load is too high.


IV might also help save your life & be just the right prescription for you now.


I don't want to talk you out of IV because I think it can absolutely help. However, be sure to have your support stuff in place, too.

If you generally have trouble tolerating Rx, consider assessment for Porphyria, or HPU / KPU. Links are in the thread below.

Also see all the HERX SUPPORT links.

All forms of Bb should be addressed, though. Attention to the cyst form / biofilm is vital. Antibiotics do not address all of that.

And, as Randi reminds us, lyme is never just lyme. Ever.

Parasites, heavy metals, candida, other infections must be considered.

I assume you've been gluten-free for all this time (if not, that could be an important key).

It's best to weigh advice from the experts who know your body. If you sense that you need a better expert, keep looking.

However . . .

LIVER SUPPORT is the key to success. Absolutely, you MUST have a very good plan for liver support all along the way. Without that, I'd never consider IV.

Adrenal and nerve support is also desired.

Good luck.
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If you need to explore other avenues, or for keys to support methods:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Holistic M.D., etc.

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures;

Knowing that support supplements are important, but NEVER enough alone. And knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL links, and

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

RIFE links,

BIONIC 880 (& PE-1, photon) links, and

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail.
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I agree with all of the above!

I have been on abx (both oral and IV) for nearly 3 years now, constant at times, pulsed at others.

On the positive side, I am about 85% improved!

On the negative side, I recently lost my gall bladder (despite everything I tried to do to prevent that), and my last testing showed my liver is not so hot.

As a result, IV abx (and even orals in my case)was something that my docs and I decided needed to be put on hold.

BUT --- this is not the end of the world!

This time spent resting and healing my body will be spent on working with other supplements and support methods.

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The Bite: July 1995
Next 13 years: Treated for things I didn't have
Symptom total: 45
1 faint Lyme IgM May 2000
5 More negative tests
IGeneX says YES! 3/16/09
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since you havent had any luck with orals after 3 years, i personally think it's crazy to assume they will all of a sudden start working and get you healthy enough for IV treatment.

i tried orals for 2 years and just continued to go downhill. i thought i was going to die before i could find a doctor who would give me IV treatment...

i personally agree with the second doctor, and i think that if you want to do IV treatment, it's now or never. because if your body can't handle IV therapy now, i don't think it ever will be able to since oral anti-biotics aren't helping.

that's just MY personal opinion since you asked. obviously it's your decision and you have to decide what you think is best for you [Smile]

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I am in the same boat. After two years of abx I am still not out of the woods. I have had great improvement, but I need to get over the final hurdle. So next month I, too, will go on to an IV Rocehpan plan....as soon as we can figure out how to get it paid for from Medicare. We did sign up for additional insurance and that may help.

I continually have liver et al checked, with extensive blood work every three months. My numbers are getting better. But I still am confused, exhausted and often in pain. I tremble and my blood pressure goes up and down like a yoyo.

BUT, I have a secret weapon! My IMT therapist. Integrative Manual Therapy. I see her twice a week and she is a wonderwoman. She uses a gentle type of massage that clears my liver and helps my brain. The day of treatment I usually feel bushed, but the next day I have renewed energy and everything seems to be working again.

She has worked with a number of lyme patients and she said they all say the same thing.

My other plan is to get walking again. Every day I want to make it to the mailbox and back. It is a little steep so I need to rest. But we plan to put a chair halfway there so I can. I'll let you know how I do.

FWIW, in 2003 I had 2 IV's of abx daily in the hospital for 6 weeks. (a chance septic infection) I herxed like you never saw! But after many years in a wheelchair I walked out of the hospital. No one suspected or tested me for lyme. I began walking and got up to a mile. Unfortunately my symptoms returned over the years and the walking had to stop. Now I hope I will see the same results and will be smart enough to monitor my progress.

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Thank you all. You have given me much to think about. Yes, I've been gluten free for over 6 yrs - dairy and soy as well - long before I was diagnosed with lyme - it helps but.... any ideas on what to take to support liver/kidney? I live alone so doing IV with heavy herxing is scary enough but I have also seen numerous people who just were not making progress make immense progress on IV. Will keep you posted. Thanks again and sad to say - I totally forgot I posted this question and only tonight happened upon it by accident - oh gosh - gotta love that lyme brain
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quote:
Originally posted by katiebobatie:
since you havent had any luck with orals after 3 years, i personally think it's crazy to assume they will all of a sudden start working and get you healthy enough for IV treatment.

i tried orals for 2 years and just continued to go downhill. i thought i was going to die before i could find a doctor who would give me IV treatment...


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I would say get after it!! [Smile]

Moving this to Medical Questions

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My husband did about a year of orals and deteriorated. He was seriously ill by the time he started IV antibiotics. IV antibiotics turned things around for him and today he is in remission.
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Thank you Parisa. That's wonderful to hear. Was it really bad in the beginning of his IV treatment? At this point in time, after so many yrs being completely disabled prior to diagnosis, there is no money left for complementary treatments but I try to eat very well, meditate and keep a positive attitude
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Who ever tells you IV antibiotics can make you worse he is a bad MD stay away from him.
You can take IV of any antibiotic without a problem if you put a strong dose of vitamins IV to to help detox at the same time .Especially IV B-complex and vitamin C IV high doses.I did IV to myself and and just felt better and better .

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Except for an initial herx because he started IVIg and IV antibiotics at the same time (not a good idea) I don't remember him being particularly worse after starting the IVs. As a matter of fact, unlike orals where there were gastrointestinal issues with no progress there were no gastrointestinal issues and progress.
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