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burnsjw
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Anyone else have high Ck and or ck-mb ?
No heart problems.
No kidney problems.

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What does your LLMD say?

Is this a problem?

I'd not worry about that one that is just 0.10 high - not sure how high the other one is, relative to the norm.

Could certain supplements - or foods - affect the results? Some can.

Do you always drink a good amount of water?

Some interesting connections come up from web searches for:

creatine, borrelia

creatine, lyme

Cordyceps, creatine

From one result:

Feb 25, 2011 Thirty patients with chronic kidney failure used Cordyceps, with improvement in creatinine clearance rate . . . .

[I asked for creatine and it gave me creatinine. Not sure of difference but it may be a clue to a support supplement. Cordyceps is very helpful to kidney function.]
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Thanks keebler. You are always so kind to respond. I am sure it is not my supplement. My kidneys are alright.
so, it might be common with lyme?
Have you ever heard of anyone else with this?

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In one of those Google searches, there was an article about CHICKENS in Egypt with a different kind of borrelia with high creatine.

Other articles, too, that connected lyme with higher creatine but I did not have the energy to get into those.
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I thought that was a muscle wasting blood test?

I am currently waiting on lab work, and that was one of the tests ordered.

One is for general muscle wasting, and one test was in regards to the heart.

I'm having it done because of an increase in muscle spasms, and other lab work also

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Bitten over 20 years ago.
Currently not treating, looking for a Dr who will work with my insurance lol.

More muscular, cognitive, nerve issues than joints. Facial droop and blurred vision.

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My legs ache and thighs burn or are hot some.
Thanks guys, a lot.
Keebler, hope you get to feeling better soon.
sorry you aren't well.
Thanks a lot. I hate this.

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I don't like that your legs are hot.... Are they red also? Swollen anywhere?

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10/10 EIA 1.4+, 41 (IGG), 23 (IGM)
Bitten over 20 years ago.
Currently not treating, looking for a Dr who will work with my insurance lol.

More muscular, cognitive, nerve issues than joints. Facial droop and blurred vision.

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No not red or swollen. although I have always had this since got lyme, off and on anyway. Esp. when feel like meds are not holding so well.
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Info I found on this test and it gives some possible reasons it could be elevated. One question I have for you... Have you had this test done before? Can you compare this result to a previous result?


The Test
How is it used?
When is it ordered?
What does the test result mean?
Is there anything else I should know?
How is it used?
CKMB levels, along with total CK, are tested in persons who have chest pain to diagnose whether they have had a heart attack. Since a high total CK could indicate damage to either the heart or other muscles, CKMB helps to distinguish between these two sources.

If your doctor thinks that you have had a heart attack and gives you a clot-dissolving drug, CKMB can help your doctor tell if the drug worked. When the clot dissolves, CKMB tends to rise and fall faster. By measuring CKMB in blood several times, your doctor can usually tell whether the drug has been effective.

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When is it ordered?
CK-MB is usually ordered along with total CK in persons with chest pain to determine whether the pain is due to a heart attack. It may also be ordered in a person with a high CK to determine whether damage is to the heart or other muscles.

Increased CK-MB can usually be detected in heart attack patients about 3-4 hours after onset of chest pain. The concentration of CK-MB peaks in 18-24 hours and then returns to normal within 72 hours.

Although CK-MB is a very good test, it has been largely replaced by troponin, which is more specific for damage to the heart.

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What does the test result mean?


If the value of CK-MB is elevated and the ratio of CKMB to total CK (relative index) is more than 2.53, it is likely that the heart was damaged. A high CK with a relative index below this value suggests that skeletal muscles were damaged.

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Is there anything else I should know?
Severe injury to skeletal muscle can be significant enough to raise CKMB levels above normal, but such injury doesnt usually cause a high relative index. Strenuous exercise may also increase both CK and CK-MB.

If your doctor suspects injury to both heart muscle and skeletal muscle, troponin is a more accurate test for identifying a heart attack.

Sometimes persons who are having trouble breathing have to use their chest muscles. Chest muscles have more CKMB than other muscles, which would raise the amount of CKMB in the blood.

Persons whose kidneys have failed can also have high CKMB levels without having had a heart attack. Rarely, chronic muscle disease, low thyroid hormone (T3, T4, TSH) levels, and alcohol abuse can increase CKMB, producing changes similar to those seen in a heart attack.

This was from Lab tests online.com


Has your doctor done the troponin test??

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10/10 EIA 1.4+, 41 (IGG), 23 (IGM)
Bitten over 20 years ago.
Currently not treating, looking for a Dr who will work with my insurance lol.

More muscular, cognitive, nerve issues than joints. Facial droop and blurred vision.

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Thanks so much. sending you a p.m.
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