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PhillyLyme
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I was having pretty bad GI issues. Not pain related but my BM where all out of control for months. I also did not see much improvement from the abx in over 6 months so I asked my LLMD for a break from abx to try to fix my gut a bit and to see I things went.

My main issue was mild pain in my nerves/muscles and I read this could be caused by nutrients deficiency which can be cause by gut issues.

I have been off abx for 3 weeks. The first few days where actually bad...had some mild pain and ear fullness. After 3 days pain was almost gone. Actually I have been feeling pretty well ever since..like b4 lyme.

So one week into my break I started to take HUMAWORM. First week of HW I had many BM but did not see any parasites not that they did not have out I just did not see anything big. Then my BM became normal...meaning solid and was feeling great.

I was pretty happy bc I felt things where looking up. Then yesterday I started to get some hot flashes follow by some anxiety feeling and throat felt tight similar to the heart skips I was getting but did not feel anything around my heart.

I filed it under general anx. I just started a new job and my mother is in the hospital so I thought it was normal anxiety

Then today I got up with no issues...then I started to feel the throat / anx /adrenaline rush feeling. I also noticed some gas although I had not eaten anything. My BM are also loose today

Here is my questionCan that be parasite die off? I called my cardiologist (I saw him about the heart skips) and he said it does not sound like an emergency and that it could be just anxiety. Made an apt for later this week just in case.

I am scared that this could just be lyme and company making a comeback but since I dont have any other issues I am hoping this is indeed parasites die offif that is the case I need to detox then.

Anyone who has taken HUMAWORK which similar effects?
Anything other observations based on my story?

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It's so hard to say...there is so much overlap with all of these infections, including parasites. Without a doubt, I would stick with the parasite treatment. Herbs alone are often not enough, so you may want to consider slowly adding in salt/c.

Read some of glm1111's posts. Her success story is amazing. She was on anti-parasitic herbs for 6 months and didn't see anything. Then when she added salt/c, the bugs literally came pouring out of her.

It takes a long time to get rid of parasites. Stick with it.

Good luck.

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If you are taking antiparasitics and start having symptoms, then it would be from the dieoff. Parasites/worms can be part of Lyme as a co-infection. Just keep going with the Humaworm.

Thirty days is not enough as Humaworm suggests. You can also alternate with Parastroy, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood etc. Do some research and look at curezone + parasites to see what others are doing.

You mighy also consider adding salt/c. Getting rid of parasites can take several yrs. You should keep treating until symptom free.

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I will continue to look into parasites...I am also going to keep up with the probiotic and taking care of my gut....

I am just wondering if this is a die off or not. Another theory I have is that it could be an irritated esophagus. Two nights ago I took the humaworm pills with very little water...the next day (yesterday) I got up with pain in my throat and neck...

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If you don't drink enough water when taking the herbs and your esophagus gets irritated, then that would be the cause. Why aren't you drinking more water if it's irritaing your throat????

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It was late .... I was tired and just had a bit of water handy...and I was dumb lol
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Oh Ok.....well that explains it! Feel better

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Im dealing with something similar. I took a hannah kroeger wormwood combo today. Just 1! Now I feel really hot all over, fluish, gassy, slightly nauseas, head pressure, trembly/nervous feeling all over.

It makes me wonder because when I originally got sick I had severe irritable bowel syndrome. No matter what I ate, I had to go to the bathroom and had a flu like feeling everytime. I would get hot/sweaty, fluish, trembly like. If the gut is as connected to our nervous systems as they say, this could be why we feel this way. Just an idea [Smile]

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Don't forget today is a full moon---

I am treating parasites right now, too, switched up my protocol, not feeling great the last few days---

Keep the bowels moving, hang in there--

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I am doing Kroeger Wormwood as well and it has been a few days now of the 14 day bottle.

First time I took 1 pill nothing, then a second one that day nothing. Next day 4 and still nothing. Third day I took 6 pills and finally head and neck pressures and some tingling. The next few days nothing major at all.

The past 3 days I've been getting increased twitches, tremors, and shakiness. Normally it would happen when I sit or lay down, but now even when I stood up. It is an explosion of these symptoms and it also feels like my heart is twitching.

Just 2 hrs ago I felt a sudden increase in head and neck pressure, feeling like something is stuck in my head and i am about to pass out or have a stroke, an explosion of twitching and movement all over, and my heart started racing. My heart had not raced this bad since Nov.

I wonder if it is Bart or Babs exploding and just taking over now? I don't think BB would cause such an explosion in just 2-3 days. Can't help but wonder if it is the parasites vibrating, squirming, and moving around either.

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These herbs are very toxic to the parasites. It would be like a human ingesting arsenic. We would start twitching, squirming etc. Keep going, drink plenty of water and makes sure everything keeps moving through the colon.

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I was on Humaworm one week and then wham, I got a UTI. One week or two seems to be when people start feeling crappy with new symptoms. I think it's killing parasites in you. There are so many variables in your story too. It could also be that you are herxing in addition to killing parasites (double herx).

I think everyone with lyme has parasites. And everyone without lyme too. Everyone (even people who don't have lyme) should probably take anti parasitics at least twice a year, just like we give our animals.

My husband did a parasite clense last year and I thought he was crazy. Boy, do I wish now that I didn't give him such a hard time about it and actually did it with him. Now my yeast issues are so bad I can't do it because I'm not on abx. One bite of starch or fruit makes me itch (candida). If only I knew then what I know now.

At least I'm on a high dose of diflucan (kills parasites too). I'm also taking a few other herbs (this is the best I can do until I get my metals down).

Philly Lyme, if you can, stick with it. Make sure you get lots of fiber and water though.

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The GI issues were the first hit for my daughter when she started Ivermectin. After all kinds of testing to make sure it wasn't something else, our doctor remembered that my daughter's first symptoms when she first started getting sick were GI issues.

As she progressed with the Ivermectin, old symptoms came back in the order received. It was like she was peeling another layer of the onion that antiobitics didn't get.

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Lymed-Im dealing with the same symptoms from Kroeger combo. It does feel like things squirming around everywhere. If its parasites, then they are in every inch of my body. My vision is also blurry and I get that weird fainting feeling.

My heart palps are back too!!! They had been gone for over 6 months! Also, lots of gas and tummy rumbling. This stuff is doing something and seems to be increasing my remaining symptoms...Fingers crossed this is it!

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It has been exactly 7 days on Humaworm for me.
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Im on day 2...I tried it awhile ago but never got up to the full dose. I wonder if the full moon is making this worse, like surprise said above.

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Does anyone sweat and feel really hot? This is similar to Babesia for me...

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I have felt a little hotter and a bit more sweatiness in the past 2-3 days, but it is short lived and comes and goes.

But these damn tremors in my chest are around the clock now. Hard to sleep when you feel like there is a motor on. Had this mildly in the past that comes and goes, but now it is soooooo strong and ongoing.

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That chest tremor was one of my first symptoms. I always associated it with anxiety which I thought was Bartonella. But now I think anxiety is related to Babesia/ parasites.

The crawling feeling is really bothering me especially an hour after I take the herbs. My eyes are filmy too... I wonder how long this lasts...

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I have been doing a the parasite protocol (pharmaceutical one) for about a month and this morning I woke up with that exact thing: anxiety, adrenaline rush feeling, tightness in my throat, shakey, nervous feeling. Also brain and body tired, but my brain and body are tired a lot. I don't know if this is a die-off reaction or a flare from something else...
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Wow, I've been wondering the same thing (started Alinia, never been on it, and a supplement called Bonifuge)
(also Bicillin shots for 3 months now)

and this last week I have been thinking:

!! Is my Bartonella roaring back? Anxiety, cranky, waking up again 3 a.m. can't go back to sleep...lost it on bad customer service yesterday.

Crud.

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I think it's die off rather than a reaction. This is exactly how artemisinin made me feel when I took a high dose. I too have/had the throat tightness feeling. It feels like it starts in my gut though, my lymph nodes are enlarged in my neck too.

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Just to follow up...boy Tuesday was pretty interesting (it is Thursday today) the chest anxiety or adrenaline rush where pretty bad. But I did see a connection to food. I look some anti acid on Tues and Wed. I felt a lot better yesterday event thought might diet was off (4th of July). I think the main issues was that I took the HUMAWORM with just a small sip of water and the esophagus / gut got irritated.

It could also be the some die off going on. Today got up and notice I was sweating a bit...so I need to watch to make sure it is not the Lyme a co. I am off abx to give my gut a break but I have been feeling pretty well so so it could be that the last bit of sx I had where leaky gut related

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So how are you guys doing now?

When I backed off for 2 days it calmed down a bit and I had the energy to blast again. This time I hit them harder and added Artimisinin and even threw in Rulide. Next day whamooooo, it was just too much with Biaxin, Doxy, Rifampin, Rulide, Ivermectin, Wormwood, and Salt C.

When on just ABX I don't herx much at all, never have overall. Symptoms only continue to gradually get worst over time, signs of the spread of disease and lack of proper treatment.

I too have the head to toe invasion feeling and it's getting worst.

Have you guys ever felt the squirming, tremor feeling in your head? I have when taking Doxy and it's like they run for cover by day 3-4 on Doxy and then thereafter a calmness and no more squirming. Now with the added list of things I take there is no safe heaven, so they just squirm.

I can differentiate between tremors and squirm for covers in my head.

I heard of 2 other people describe this head tremor/ squirming. One on this board, but I never inquired further. The other Tom Grier, who took Bactrim DS and Rulide. He felt the squirming and even bubbling and gurgling in his head. I have felt bubbling and gurgling under my ribs after Salt C, but never in my head (yet).

He never treated for parasites and it was BB that caused this in him.

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The parasites can be under the scalp, in the eyes ears nose and mouth. I know first hand because after heavy and persistent dosing of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c, these parasites started to exit from these areas.

ANTIPARASITICS are KEY in getting rid of this disease. These things have layed thousands of eggs and larva. I had constant tremors from the parasites being attacked.

BTW, I have read that doxy will go after the baby filarial worms. Some people are having success with the combo of doxy and Ivermectin.

Just a reminder...this is what came out of me after heavy dosing of herbs and salt/c. www.lymephotos.com I was shocked to say the least.

After I saw the parasites, it was a no brainer for me as to what needed to be done. It can take several yrs to get rid of this invasion, so just keep going. CLOVES are important for getting rid of the eggs. Good Luck everyone.

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Lymedin,

I felt a lot better after a few days. I think my issues where due to taking the HUMAWORM with little water to wash it down.

I have been off abx for over a month now and the small pains I was getting are almost gone. My thought were that the pain where not a sign of LD but more a affects the abx had on my gut.

After 2 weeks on HUMAWORM I was getting some sx that I never had before. A bit dizzy or light headed and a pressure headache on the lower right rear side of me head. I stopped the HUMA for 2 days and I felt a lot better.

Part of me wants to finished the week or so I have left on HUMA but the other part of me wants to stop and try something different.

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I forgot to say that I restarted HUMAWORM and after just 3 doses started to feel lousy again...
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Philly,

Feeling worse would be an indication of dieoff. I used to do warm water enemas when I was in my heaviest detox for parasites and they helped. Also, if there are parasites that have moved down, an enema will help move them out.

I have seen posts here of people doing coffee enemas, and having parasites exit. Keep going and if you can add extra cloves to kill the eggs it can help.

Gael

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The thing is that my current sx does not sound like parasite..it can be some thing on the Hw irritating a mercer or something
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I never had any significant twitching or tremors from years of having this. When I first got sick they put me on Diamox for IIH. By week 2-3 I had tremors in my head and never before.

A month after getting sick and Diamox, I started IV Rocephin treatment. I felt twitches all over, but they were very mild as compared to now. Now it seems that something has grown, either in size or in colonies. I started to get thoracic tremors by my 2nd week of Rocephin.

Twitches and tremors are worst in intensity with treatment, worst in frequency and in permanent twitching location.

I have spots now where they would twitch or burn, then stop and start again. Same location and the same type of movement, but comes and goes.

So for me it has been a sign of the progression of the disease. I have been off Huma, Salt C, Ivermectin, Rifampin, and Art for 3 days now. Only doing Biaxin, Doxy and Rulide. Twitches, tremors are still present.

I have taken Biaxin and Doxy before and it is the best combo for me, the tremors had been reduced down to 10% and gone for most of the days. I also did Rulide with other ABX and never any increases of those 2 symptoms.

Now an explosion of this and neuro symptoms with anti parasitic treatment, it really makes you wonder.

This truly does feel like regression?

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Lymedin,

Don't understand why this would feel like regression if you are having an explosion of symptoms with antiparasitic tx and not a herx.

All of my symptoms, twitching, vibrating, head pressure, tremors and myclonic jerks became much worse with the use of antiparasitics.

You are stirring these parasites up and the symptoms can go on even 3 days after stopping the Ivermectin, herbs, salt/c.

PLEASE don't give up on the antiparasitics and just keep moving forward.

Gael

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Philly,

There is a brain/gut connection, and the neuro symptoms can come from the dieoff of organisms/parasites. Just because these are new symptoms doesn't mean that they are not from hitting parasites, to the contrary actually.

I have experienced all of these when tx parasites. Maybe try doing half the dose of Humaworm and see what happens. Google brain/gut connection.

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At the end of April my bodily twitches increased dramatically, thereafter I determined that the ABX combo would not be enough. I was then suspicious of parasites and researched strictly parasites in May.

By June I started everything slow, except for salt C. When I had a bit more energy I took larger doses since I was not seeing any major herxes. Only ones at the very start of Ivermectin, wormwood, and salt c, but they too tapered off.

By July, besides ths increased twitches from the end of April, now came major tremors. Last week my hand was trembling Parkinson's style for about 2 min. I could make it go away by movement and then it came again.

A week ago I started Rifampin and now on top of everything else the head and neck comes roaring back. The brain fog one day, the next feeling like someone poured Clorox in my head and neck. One day feeling like I have a blockage in my head and about to have a stroke.

Meanwhile back in April I barely had any tremors, no neuro stuff, no head and neck symptoms. This morning I had snappy joints as well and feel like I am invaded to the max. No more room in me for any organisms, I am filled to the max.

I could see if I stopped and things went away, then proof of herx. If I stop and the symptoms stay the same or get worst, then I could only explain it as regression. I will continue with Doxy and Biaxin, Rulide, and pulsing Art until things settle down.

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Rifampin also has anti parasitic properties, as well as hitting bart.

Bart is also implicated in GI symptoms.

Gael, did you have bart? did you treat it? what were your symptoms?

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