MichaelTampa
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During the last full moon I did another parasite treatment, meaning lots of the Dr. K. antiparasite rx along with various herbals. I've done this many times, and haven't noted any impact with this particular bug.
I have been doing 15 grams of fat a day only, along with malarone, because of this bug which I tested positive for. Things seemed stable that I needed to do those things.
But, during this latest full moon, at the same time as the other antiparasite rx, for 3 days, I took some borax. Really, I took twice as much as my pendulum said to, a result of using/understanding measuring spoons improperly. It tested very strong. The article GiGi posted did not mention antiparasitic, but I feel strongly that it is. It is a mineral salt, and salt is a known antiparasitic, as it dries them out.
Anyway, following this, I no longer test for malarone, and now test for 30 grams of fat/day rather than 15 grams, perhaps I sign I have really done something to this Fry bug. Certainly, hard to know for sure, based on this testing result, because while I think that the malarone and low-fat were for this bug, I don't really know that.
By the way, my kidneys did have a tough few days following this, spasming some for a day or so, very frequent urination, bladder may have been irritated as well. Kidney-headaches (per acupuncturist) that went away quickly with water intake, but then returned fairly quickly as well. Perhaps it would have been more gentle if I hadn't double-dosed what the pendulum said.
Anyway, just want to report this, the good and bad. Something to consider, but also clearly something to be a bit careful with. While the article claims it is less toxic than salt, I feel my body would not have reacted nearly as badly kidney-wise to salt. Maybe detox from killing, who knows, but something tells me that while it may be "safe" it is something to be a bit careful with.
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Great to hear!
It has been discouraging when I've read snippets about this never being fully eradicated.
Don't know if that's true, I just keep plugging along at the anti parasite the best I can, and when able to fit in.
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Wow, Michael, I hope you did it! Maybe just knocking the fat down allowed you to kill it? I read Gigi's post on borax (fascinating). It makes sense to me that borax and/or salt would dry them up.
Did you ever try salt/C? I wonder how long it takes eating 15 grams before the protomyxzoa get knocked down enough to do this. How long have you been eating the 15grams of fat (can't remember)?
Are you chelating right now as well?
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I bought the Borax but I've not done anything with it. The last couple weeks have been hard enough and adding more is not always wise.
I will no doubt muscle test and hopefully enter as gentle killing as possible.
This last full month was a tough one for me. Lots of activity. I know, parasites most likely.
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Talking of taking Borax: You will have to pay attention to the mobilization of toxic metals that for the time being are sitting in the areas that are overloaded with calcium, etc. deposits where they should not be. Dr. K. calls it reverse toxicity. Lead is in the bones and when it is being released you can feel it. I myself am fine with it as long as I understand what is causing any discomfort.
I just got back from a Dr. K. visit testing for a variety of metals that had been deposited in and around an old heel fracture and old injury areas that do tend to hold on to metals (lead, cadmium, nickel -- in my case). That is what Borax starts moving --- exactly as described in the article I had posted. Look for the paragraph talking about side effects in that article. I am quoting from the Borax article here:
�Possible Side-Effects While side-effects from pharmaceutical drugs tend to be negative and often dangerous, with natural medicine, such as borax therapy, these are usually healing reactions with beneficial long-term effects. Most common is the Herxheimer reaction from eliminating Candida. In some of the above forum posts, rapid improvement was experienced within days. This is always a functional response. High cellular calcium levels cause muscle contraction with cramps or spasms as a common cause of pain. Boron, especially together with magnesium, can rapidly relax these muscles and take away the pain.
However, with long-standing severe calcifications a large amount of calcium cannot be redistributed in a short time. This leads to increased calcium levels in the affected area, especially the hips and shoulders, and can cause problems for a considerable time, such as a tendency to severe cramping and pain, or problems with the blood circulation, or nerve transmission. Nerve-related effects in hands and feet may be numbness, or reduced sensitivity or feeling in the skin. Higher amounts of calcium and fluoride passing through the kidneys may cause temporary kidney pain. Such healing reactions cannot be avoided when aiming for a higher level of health. Whenever you experience an unpleasant effect reduce or temporarily stop borax intake until the problem subsides. Then gradually start increasing again. Helpful additional measures are a) a greatly increased fluid intake, b) using more organic acids such as lemon juice, ascorbic acid or vinegar, and c) improving lymph flow as with rebounding, walking or inverted positions.�
And then get busy capturing the toxins, not only metals, but it can also knock loose some remnants of any of the old microbial infections.
You may need to go back on the Klinghardt Cocktail, antimicrobial cocktail, or Babesia cocktail --- whichever your major problem was. I usually test only for a day or two for microbes under these circumstances, but it needs a watchful eye.
I do not consider this a relapse, but simply picking up some loose ends. Energetic testing clearly identifies these. I test with my biotensor and knew before Dr. K. tested me what I was up against -- mostly toxic metals and a couple of microbes.
I have enough years on my back and living during many years of war to have accumulated plenty of toxic metals.
Dr. K. emphasized again that we got sick because we were and are toxic. That is the only terrain in which microbes, such as Lyme & company, can survive. It started with the first amalgam filling from Mom, then one's own, and in my case a number of root canals that spread toxins wildly through my system ---- when the insect bit, I fell flat!
I am amazed how little attention is being paid to my posts on metal toxicity. Actually they are being dutifully ignored. But I heard it again from the best in the Lyme business that unless you eliminate the metal toxins, getting rid of microbes is wishful thinking.
Knowing that I sound like a broken record -- here it is again: Treat parasites first and with it you will release toxic metals. Deal with the metals on an ongoing basis, and the few microbes that are left will be a lot easier to deal with avoiding months and months of abx, etc.
Map1131, go slower when it gets harder and be sure to be generous with binders and cleaning the colon and lymphatics as best you can. We are only getting sick from the toxins that can't find their way out of the body.
Again, if you are killing parasites successfully, you are releasing toxic metals into the system. Parasites are the holders (in their coats) of toxic metals. Neither get us well: the parasites take our best nourishment and the metals stop our organs and block our hormone glands from producing!
Take care.
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Great to hear Michael! I am interested in the Borax as well!
Great info GiGi!! It helps me so much to hear it again.
I am treating for parasites now and have been for the last 3 months. I am also trying to detox as much as possible. I definitely can feel the difference when I don't stay on top of it!
Next I will move on to heavy metals.
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Micheal - would you briefly outline your protocol? How long have you been on it?
Gigi - I always see your posts about metals and I know I need to do it, but I'm so nervous because I have heard many horror stories of people being permanently messed up after treating metals.
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Haley, I have been posting about HMD for quite a while now. Children can do this program. It is gentle and safe.
I am certain there are a number of doctors and practitioners in your state who are knowledgable in this subject. It took me a couple of years to find the right guy. The MD who created HMD offers advice. He took every course over several years to study with Dr. K. K. practitioners are training people up and down the coasts, East and West. Read some of the sites I have posted about HMD www.detoxmetals.com. Maybe www.betterhealthguy.com can give you some pointers in your area. It definitely takes someone who can do energetic testing. That is the only way to deal with toxicity.
Best to you.
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Catgirl -- I did 1 month of low-fat about a year ago, before I needed a break, probably nutritionally. This time, it was 3 months. I graded down to 15 grams of fat from about 30 grams, probably during the first month, then probably about 2 months of true 15 grams/day.
I take sea salt every day, just 1/16 tsp, vitamin C, sometimes yes sometimes no, mostly no. I've never really done "salt/C", my pendulum never liked that one.
Just remembering one other thing I stopped needing following this treatment, was the Biopure artemisinin/garlic suppositories.
As far as chelation, I have been using EDTA suppositories and chlorella and cilantro for a long time. Currently I am using the HMD Detox that GiGi has posted about (contains cilantro and chlorella growth factor), along with that brand's Lavage. Both appear to be excellent, better than what I had been using previously. I've stuck with HealthForce Nutritionals brand chlorella, didn't try the HMD brand, just plenty happy with the one I had. I've been hoping these things are sufficient and that IV approach would not be necessary, doing it at home is so much easier.
GiGi -- That article seemed to be dead on with all that I experienced, and no doubt accidentally using twice what the pendulum suggested contributed. In addition to what I mentioned above, I also tested for increased need for rebounding in terms of duration per day. My wife following taking some, also experienced an intuitive need for rebounding, something that she hadn't done in years, and she hadn't gotten that far in the article, nor heard about it.
I did see a greater need, again, for the EDTA suppositories and chlorella. The ebb and flow of the need for these supplements is always interesting to see with various treatments, and well verifies the babuschka principle you've written about so much in various ways.
Haley -- My protocol certainly changes much over time, but here is how things look as of now. I guess I've been treating about 2.5 years now.
Treating biofilm with Rechts Regulat, SerraGold (serrapeptase), and Cistus Incanus tea. Chelating with Detoxamin EDTA suppositories, chlorella, and HMD brand Detox (cilantro/CGF) and Lavage.
Taking Salicinium and pHenomenal (pH water supplement) to destroy anaerobic microbes (stolen idea from cancer treatments).
Following the borax above, finally started on hydrocortisone, as treating with herbs for years simply was not giving any progress, and my body was not testing for the bug-killers even when needed, because there was no energy to do the work. This is having an enormous impact, and supplementing maca root for testosterone. Continuing on ThyroVen and Adaptogen R3 herbal products for thyroid and adrenals.
For bugs, taking HomeoK BAB to train body to fight babesia and Deseret Biologics lyme nosodes to train body to fight lyme. Another item for immune support to kill bugs, not comfortable discussing publicly here, but is key and has been discussed a little bit on this board. Byron White herbs A-L, A-BAB, A-BART.
Other support, TriQuench (iodine, half-drop a day only), Methyl Protect for 5HTP as I have this genetic defect, sea salt. Houston digestive enzymes, XymoZyme digestive enzymes, Custom Probiotics, 6-strain and 11-strain powders, Natren's DigestaLac, Jarrow Sacch Boulardi. MAP Protein another key nutritional support. Qing Wei San for digestion. Futurebiotics EPA and NuTru DHA. Raw Vitamin D3. NuTru phospholipids and vitamin E. Vitamin K2, vitamin B12. Some items occasionally needed are coq10, CandiBactin BR, NAC, SAMe, OLE.
Ondamed machine I used for 5 weeks really accelerated heavy metals whereas they had become stagnant. Castor oil packs have become a godsend, as taking all these supplements is work for the liver, as is probably all the killing and mold detox.
We have mold issues in the home, have been slowly working to fix them, and money always slows this down. Just got the LabCorp haplotype testing done and have bad mold detox genes from both mom and dad. My body is now saying it would like Protandim, good friend found this really helped her with mold, and perhaps now with hydrocortisone, I have the energy to use this, as I know the home is bad and genes are bad. Just speculating, as pendulum has rejected this supplement as I have tested it periodically, but will see where that goes over time.
I have been using LifeFlow meditation CD's for a long time, and they are quite excellent. I had exercised for months and perhaps can again, some of the weightlifting and/or the Mercola Peak 8 style exercise. Have had a break from this recently due to shoulder issues, but I know this has been helpful.
Treating periodontal gum recession was also a great help, when I had the right side done. Left side is not as bad as right side was, but will get to one day as resources allow.
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Great info! Thanks Michael! I don't know where we'd be without you, Gigi and Gael.
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This is a lot of great information. Thanks Gigi and Michael.
I had a Fry blood smear over a year ago that was positive for the protozoa, and then another recently and it showed no biofilm. That said, I'm not sure if the protozoa is gone or just not visible in biofilm.
I've been on anti-protozoa meds for forever (3 yrs) and took low dose Ivermectin for a few months on and off. I now test that Ivermectin is harmful for my body energetically. I always had strong die off from the med but it did knock out my remaining symptoms like leg, foot and joint pain and stiffness, sweating and faciculations. They have returned after stopping Ivermectin.
I've also used detoxamin to break up biofilm and chelate metals, although I've never tested high in metals or parasites.
Energetically, I now test very low in calcium. Do I add calcium, or Vitamin K2? I'm also using magnesium in the form of Oxy Powder to cleanse the bowel, so it may be upsetting the balance. What is the calcium link to all this? Gigi, can you explain please?
Michael, you use HomeoK BAB to train body to fight lyme. I understand how we have to energetically change our body's terrain to fight lyme and co's. Is this what you mean here? Is that all you are using in that regard?
Can you PM me about what cannot be discussed here that is important for immune support?
Thanks!
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@baileypup~ Can you tell me what anti-protozoa meds you took. I also have the FL1953 and would like to kick it in the rear. Did your LLMD work with Dr. F for your protocol or were you guided by just your LLMD. Mine seems to be against long term parasite meds and I am not sure what to do or suggest at this point. Thanks
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I don't think terrain is the word I'd use to describe how the homeok bab is helping. It is a homeopathic of babesia, so taking it makes the body work to remove babesia wherever it might find it in my body. I'm not a homeopathic expert so that's the best I can do to explain it, and perhaps your words mean the same thing; really, I don't know.
Regarding the calcium, perhaps the magnesium is upsetting the blaance, as you say. If there is more, I don't know. You could try vitamin K2, particularly if you are on a very low-fat diet, I'd suggest being a bit diligent with any fat-soluble vitamins or otherwise fat-relate nutrition (such as phospholipids), although some likely won't help with calcium as perhaps k2 might.
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Wanted to add one more thing for anyone interested in my protocol, if you will. Lately I have had two in probably a short series of magnetic treatments per Dr. Goiz developed procedure. Again, as are many things I have used, this is often used as a cancer treatment.
The theory behind it is that magnetic disturbances can allow/require a situation where various infections get stuck in certain locations in the body, eventually causing cancer. The treatment removes the disturbance, allowing things to flow freely. It is not seen as being needed long-term, although in some cases, repetition is needed, to remove additional dissturbances or in some cases the same one.
Dr. Goiz lives in Mexico and does not speak english, but through translator has been teaching some in the U.S. Those currently trained are scarce, but around for some fortunate enough to find them.
The dinner following my first treatment, I tested for and reluctantly took 120 drops of A-L (byron white herbal), much more than ever before, or after, a sign to me that a lot had been freed up.
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Thanks Michael. I probably am using the incorrect set of words. My homeopathic practitioner told me that we need to not only kill the bugs, which hopefully has been done, but energetically heal our bodies. That is where I am these days. So, training our bodies to fight off these bugs at a cellular and energetic level needs something different than antibiotics, anti-parasitics and anti-protozoas.
I'm not on a low fat diet. My llmd does not believe in that part of the treatment and I'm not sure it makes sense for me, especially being on high dose anti-malarial drugs for so long which require fat.
Wini, the anti-protozoa drugs I've been on are Mepron/Zith/Tindamax combo, Lariam, Daraprim, IV Clindamycin, and Ivermectin. I also thought Zymex II worked against the Fry bug. Most of my treatment and all throughout I have been on high dose Mepron and never pulsed or stopped treatment.
My doctor did not feel the need to consult with Dr. Fry, even after my insistence and letter asking her to do so. But, she's willing to prescribe what I think I need, so basically that is how we have worked.
Babesia meds work against the Fry bug, so parasite meds are not the only medication to target it.
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According to Dr. F, we can't get rid of PR, so be careful with your optimism unless you feel 100% for several months. It can come back if you let things slide.
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Yep, I understand neff. I've never read any of his statements to mean that he's convinced it can't be gotten rid of, more that he is not aware of any way to do it. But I know it's a possibility that it could just be beaten back some and come back later.
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Question for Michael:
How do you "test" yourself? Can I learn?
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I am not sure which testing that I mentioned that you are asking about. I was tested for the FL1953 bug via blood test at F labs.
Testing I often refer to, generally, with supplements and the like, I use a pendulum to answer yes/no questions, often while holding the substance in my abdomen (when the question involves a substance). When it rocks one way, it means "yes", another way, "no". That is probably easiest learned by someone showing you in person, and acupuncturists or EFT practitioners or chiros or the like are good candidates, if you can find a willing one. But there are many youtube videos of people trying to teach this as well that you might try. I find when heavy metals are moving, which way means yes vs no does change over time, not that standard sources will be aware of that.
There are a number of other ways people can test things aside from pendulum, using fingers or legs or leaning forward/backward. I was not able to successfully learn any of those, but did manage the pendulum. What is easy for one might not be for the other, so good to be aware of different options out there.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Haley, I have been posting about HMD for quite a while now. Children can do this program. It is gentle and safe.
I am certain there are a number of doctors and practitioners in your state who are knowledgable in this subject. It took me a couple of years to find the right guy. The MD who created HMD offers advice. He took every course over several years to study with Dr. K. K. practitioners are training people up and down the coasts, East and West. Read some of the sites I have posted about HMD www.detoxmetals.com. Maybe www.betterhealthguy.com can give you some pointers in your area. It definitely takes someone who can do energetic testing. That is the only way to deal with toxicity.
Best to you.
Is the 90-day Ultimate Detox pack all that is needed, which includes HMD, Lavage, and chlorella? Are Lavage and chlorella necessary?
Sort of sounds impossible to take chlorella 3 times daily with meals while taking abx.
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RCR, attempting any detox without drainage remedies (as in Lavage) and chlorella or other good binders is foolish. It is also not a good idea to attempt toxic metal detox without the guidance of a competent practitioner.
Binders are necessary because if the abx is right, lots of other neurotoxins are being released with the die-off into the system. Binders are necessary to "bind" and then remove the toxins to prevent reabsorption.
These are the most important steps one should take.
Be sure you have checked out KPU and possible allergies to neurotoxins. I have posted the links many many times.
Good luck.
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Gigi....
I am working with my LLMD, but she has me taking Heavy Metal Detox by Nature's Sunshine. She believes in the product, but I cannot tell it does anything....maybe that's a good thing?
I do take Pekana Drainage Kit along with that.
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You have to be a little cautious with medical dowsing. It's not always 100% accurate. You may have your own psychological biases...
I speak from my own experience. I missed parasites in general for a long time. They are adept in hiding in more ways than one. Not trying to be negative - but it did happen to me.
They may be on the back burner - so to speak. Other things may be more important to address right now. I'm glad what you are doing is working. Keep going forward.
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