Someone told me that a chiropractor using it on lyme patients gets 100% success.
Am wondering if since it's for pain, it's just taking the pain away while using it, but the disease remains?
Anyone understand the science of it and think it could actually kill organisms?
It's very expensive.
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Keebler
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- No, it is not at all the same as a rife and this is NOT going to affect microbes at all in the same manner as can rife.
Not sure if this would be a series of stimulating little shocks but - if so - that could make lyme worse as spirochetes HATE vibration and will burrow deeper to avoid it and go into their cyst form for protection against vibration.
Dr. B clearly states in his lyme guidelines - in the Physical Therapy section - NO ELECTRICAL STIM (as in the electrical stimulation machines PTs often use).
I got WAY worse with such therapy before I knew why. For me, it seems to have caused such shock to my adrenals, a very real concern for all with lyme.
Now, this wellness pro may or may not be "electrical stimulation" and it may not be like the various machines I used over time with PT and chiropractors.
But I'd sure run it by a very experienced LLMD first.
But, it is not going to actually treat infection, other than help increase circulation.
If not too jolting or shocking in any way, this may be very helpful to address pain but IMO, acupuncture would be far better to address pathway "blockages" and "stagnant" energy or tight tissue, etc.
This is rather confusing to me and the text and layout make it hard to really read. But, it seems that this is NOT a rife but they are using Rife's reputation to sell this. Just seems that way. The language is just rather confusing to me.
If it were a rife, they should be able to say so. So, it's seems to be - what? That's not really clear.
Contact Bryan Rosner - and post in the Rife discussion thread to get thoughts from those much more educated about rife than I. -
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- I tend to manage in spurts. One more. This sounds like the electrical STIM machine that Dr. B advises against.
Yet, while they say it's more than just a TENS unit, this does not sound at all like a rife. Sound like it could cause adrenal shock as it stimulates the body.
YES, The WellnessPro� has been FDA cleared as a TENS (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation) device in that it uses electrical stimulation to relieve pain;
however, unlike other TENS devices on the market that have a very limited frequency range, the WellnessPro� has the largest frequency range coupled with a unique delivery system that helps stimulate the body to block pain signals.
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All that said, if this is near you, contact your local (and all area) lyme support groups to see if others have tried this or considered it.
You might ask for a complementary informational interview during which you could get more detail that may not be able to be posted at the website.
They should be willing to talk with you at no charge to answer all your questions.
Then, go back to Rosner and see what he thinks about this. His email detail in in the LINKS set.
As someone says this really helped them conquer lyme, I'd sure want to do more investigation of it and of their claims.
It's just that - for me - all kinds of red flags are flying due to the comparison of this to rife and their transferring Rife's good reputation onto their machine. Is that founded? Or not?
For starters, a rife is not electrical current to stimulate. Rife uses radio frequency waves.
Good luck. -
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- Another thought spurt:
You say that "Someone told me that a chiropractor using it on lyme patients gets 100% success." (end quote).
FIND those patients. Talk to them. Talk to those who finished treatment a year ago and see how they are doing now. The area lyme support groups should be the best place to begin to find them.
Sad to say that I'm a bit skeptical about anyone who claims a 100% success rate for such a complex illness set.
Still, find out exactly what that means. Please let us know - and also let the area lyme support groups know, either way. -
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- I'm a work in progress. I just keep going back to this - there are many pages to sort through but, the deciding factor may well be this:
Regular Price $3495.00
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You can get a very good REAL RIFE machine for far less. Far less.
Another important consideration is that those who make the rife machines, often, do not make much (or sometimes, any) profit. It's a community of sharing information, too. -
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- In the RIFE thread above is the ND link. I suggest finding a LL ND who is also well versed with RIFE.
They may be the best to assess this other unit. -
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I had totally missed the lyme info on that site Keebler.
I was given the phone numbers of the person who sells it and the chiropractor.
Your info has helped me add to the list of questions I have for them. And I will ask what makes the machine SO EXPENSIVE compared to rife machines.
I'm leery of this and sure do need a lot of questions answered before I'd buy one.
When it was called a TENS machine I did wonder since I've heard of chiropractors using those for pain relief but that's all.
I'm checking all the great links in the rife link above. Thank you!
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This used to be sold as a Rife machine in the past.
It is basically the same machine rebranded as a TENS unit They also raised the price. I suspect they had to charge more since they had to pay a lot to get class 3 approval.
They used to be less money, but ran treatments under codes. You punched in a code number and it would run frequencies. The problem is you did not know what frequencies were running.
There is nothing special about the Wellness Pro. It is a contact frequency generator. I would buy the GB-4000 over the Wellness Pro any day of the week.
Dan
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I checked the GB-4000 site and looks like I have a lot to learn about rife/TENS. Very confusing to me.
It certainly is a lot less, so thanks Dan for telling me this.
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It is a revamped global wellness machine that went under several different names such as Astropulse, naturetronics etc.
They worked fine but were not as versatile as the GB-4000.
Jim Folsom went to prison as he was the main distributer of the global wellness devices. You can read about the details on the net. None of his customers had any complaints.
There is the brief history of earlier versions of this machine.
Dan
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Anyone have any experience with a chi machine?
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I watched the video and the chi machine looks good too. Wondering if this is similar to jumping on amini trampoline?
Those who are using any one of these machines--are you doing abx or herbal antimicrobials too?
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Follow D Bergy advice as he is has the most knowledge of rife on this board.IMO. My advice would be like his, look at the gb4000 for a start and look at later adding the gb4000 MOPA attachment if needed. I'm getting good results from a new scaler wave panel that can be attached to the gb4000. Dave was able to get his wife into remission with the MOPA and Juli currently is in remission with using the MOPA and gb4000. All of this is documented in the rife thread on lymenet.
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- The "Chi machine" has had some very good reviews for how it can help with many things. However, it will NOT, will NOT treat infection. That can help increase circulation but has absolutely ZERO effect directly against infection all alone.
If you can afford both Rife and a Chi machine, that would be great, though. As a team play, it's great, just not alone. -
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