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Maya12
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Is it because it messes with your head so bad and makes you feel insane and angry and inhuman?
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Can babs make you very agitated and suicidal?
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I don't know the answer. I think all of these infections affect the brain. These symptoms will improve with treatment. Are you seeing a LLMD?

Do you have someone there you can talk to about your symptoms? You are not alone, many people have gone through this. It's not you, it's the disease, so hang in there and keep at it. Getting well can take time and persistence. Small steps, little by little, you can do it.

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I called it that because of the way it affected me mentally and emotionally. It was like my soul was sucked out of me. Bart did that too but in a different way. I had no motivation with babesia; complete apathy.

It can make you very depressed and people can become suicidal especially when they first begin treatment with mepron. You need to tell yourself it is just temporary and cut back on medication if things get too bad.

You will come out of it. I remember one day when I suddenly felt complete joy hearing a bird sing and seeing the sun falling through the leaves. Life will come back to you. It is just the disease making you depressed and you can beat it.

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old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

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Hey sillia and neff thank you so much for saying this, and neff did you also feel confused and out of it too with babs and like you were so emotionally messed up that you were going insane? I just feel like I have no soul , personality or connection to anything that is me , I feel like I have completely lost myself.

And how long did it take you to start feeling better on babs treatment? Or to feel joy and connection to self again?

It just scares me cause I was doing quite well back in aug sept , had been treating since April, and then it all went bad again.

Do some have set backs like this and still eventually get better?

I did stop treatment for about a month once I was getting bad again thinking it was a herx and wonder if I let everything come back.

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Can anyone tell me what emotional sx they have had from babs and also have some had good times only to get way worse again for a while and then got better again?
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Anyone ever feel slightlyanic with babs tx?

I don't know if it is truely even mania, it is strange because I start to feel slightly more happy but then I get feeling more hyper agitated and then I get scared that I am too happy but also can't connect with just feeling happy and calm and contented like I used to. Is this totally nutts or just the bugs messing with my head.

Is this more like OCD? Or

Does this sound like mania?

Will I ever just feel happy and content like normal again

Can anyone relate to this

It's like certain emotions coming alive but they are too strong and scare me

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Funny thing is I never really had this manic type feeling till I started treating babs, do and dr yes but not like this and have no personal or fam history of bipolar

I do have kpu though

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I felt the way you describe. I had to force myself to do things because nothing mattered. It was not a weepy depression. It was defeat, complete despair, no reason to care.

I treated babesia duncani for 9 months, first with mepron and zithro, then with malarone zithro and rounds of coartem. The coartem helped a lot.

Things will lift. You will have a little more energy in your body and your spirit will follow.

It is such a horrible place to be that I am on guard against it all the time. It marks the beginning of a relapse so I pay a lot of attention to how I feel.

Treating protomyxzoa helped me recover almost completely so don't leave it out.
Protomyxzoa causes the same depression and anxiety as babesia. You know when you have switched over to it being dominate when you can't sleep well.

If I was treating babesia again I would not use the large amounts of fat recommended for anti-malarial drugs. It might eventually kill the babesia but it sends the PR into overdrive.

I would take malarone without the fat, cut my dietary intake down to 15 grams and pulse LipoPhos EDTA twice a week. Lipophos has essential phospholipids (fats) that the cells crave. This gets the EDTA into the biofilm protecting the pathogens, where it breaks it down allowing the drugs to work better.

As phospolipids are extremely good for your body taking LipoPhos has no negative effects. The EDTA also chelates heavy metals and it will not get into the saliva so it is safe to use when you still have amalgams.

The only problem is it is expensive. EDTA chelates some minerals too so you should only take it twice a week. LipoPhos works better when combined with vitamin C - like grapefruit juice. A really powerful combination that is over the counter is Artemix, LipoPhos EDTA and grapefruit juice.

If your doctor has you on drugs to treat other infections and is just adding in some parasite drugs, try pulsing stromectol. It turned things around for me along with the low fat diet. I take the LipoPhos EDTA now to try to manage without the drugs.

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Hey neff , thanks for your reply , I do appreciate the suggestions and think I will start cutting out some fats.

With this hopeless dispair did you ever have thoughts like you were too messed in the head to ever get better and that you were just too far gone to ever be yourself again?

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Hey neff did your brain fog and drunk feeling get worse before it got better when starting babs treatment
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Sorry to hear of your troubles with the dreaded Babs.

Do know that it does get better, but it can definitely make you very manic, suicidal and angry as hell.

When I treated with Mepron/Zith, I had insane levels of anger well up out of no where, and my entire head would feel as though it was vibrating like crazy - especially when dealing with difficult people!

I hit a point in my treatment where for me i knew I was done with the rx's, and only wanted the natural way. That was 2 years ago.

I went on Byron White Formulas for Babesia, and it made me a raving lunatic -- I did not sleep for days, I did nothing but cry, felt completely suicidal, disassociated and just downright crazy and scared.

It turned out my dose that I was taking was way too high --

After my LLMD heard my describe what I was going through, he said that it might be more advantageous to stop focusing on the Babs/Lyme/Bart and step back and start with the so-called bigger guys, parasites.

He put me on a formula for that, and although I am still pulsing/treating and it is a slow process, I have to say that I agree with Gigi, Gael and Tammy --- parasites seem to be the root of so much of what we are all struggling with...

Have you considered treating for them? It just sounds to me like it's time for a switch, and take a break from hitting the Babs.

Also -- sounds like alot of Neurotoxins hitting you HARD. Are you taking any binders as you are making matters worse instead of better by treating and not also utilizing binders as well -- something unfortunately that many of the LLMDs do not push, IMO.

I hope you can take a break -- btw -- when i backed off of treating the Babesia, all the nasty mental stuff and insomnia subsided within a few days, so do not lose hope.

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It is the zith and biaxin antibiotics that gives me dark despair. Malarone was a walk in the park. The side effects of these drugs are mood disturbances. Fortunately, these meds clear within a few days after stopping.
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I live in it and have bartonella, exposed to tularemia, ebv, mycoplasma pneumonia. Not sure what causes it but it's hell to be in this mind.

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Hey Lyme in Putnam have you ever thought of treating parasites or babesia
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