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nefferdun
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Some doctors are prescribing a supplement for PR with EDTA, phospholipids and artemisinin called Artemesinin Essentials. Phospholipids are essentials fats craved by all the cells of the body. The lipids act like a Trojan Horse to escort the EDTA and Art into the biofilm. EDTA breaks down the biofilm and the art kills the PR. Here is more about :
EDTA

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1393226/

Our results imply that EDTA chelation of magnesium, calcium, and iron can enhance detachment of cells from the biofilm. EDTA also facilitates the killing of biofilm cells by chelating magnesium associated with the LPS. This dispersal process and the increased cell permeability facilitated by EDTA may also explain the enhanced killing observed in combined EDTA and gentamicin treatment (Fig. ​(Fig.1).1).

Dr F writes about EDTA

Items that have been researched in biofilm treatment: Manuka honey, enzymes, multiple antibiotics, bismuth thiols, restricting metals, botanicals, mechanical removal, and EDTA to help chelate magnesium. Magnesium is a main stabilizing force in biofilms.

EDTA is such a powerful agent for preventing platelet aggregation that it is used to preserve blood at blood banks.

Phosphytidylcholine is the most expensive and best of the best phospholipids. This tells how it is used to clear blocked arteries

http://www.pannaturopathic.com/updatedcardio.html

It is also used to break down fatty deposits in the eyelids and elsewhere.

There is another product you can buy called LipoPhos EDTA that I have been using. One dose has 6 grams of phospholipids, 70% of which is phosphotidylcholine, and 1 gram of EDTA. Here is a link if you are interested:
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/lipophos-edta-ARG60ml-p-allergy-research-group.html

I tried taking this with Artemix, a blend of 50 mg artemesinin, 50 mg artesunate and 40 mg of artemether. Artemether is one of the drugs in Coartem (along with Lumafantrine). These are the strongest derivatives are artemesia.

The idea was to use the phospholipids to transport the EDTA and the ART into the biofilm to see if it would destroy it better. It is pretty strong so I went back to taking them separately for awhile.

I can feel the EDTA working within ten minutes of taking it. It is like I have had a shot of alcohol. EDTA does not get into your saliva so it will not leach mercury from your amalgams.

This seems to be a good therapy to try because it will thin your blood, reduce the biofilm, chelate heavy metals and iron and feed your cells the most essentials fats you need.

Dr. Roberts, not an LLMD, recommends this supplement. He is the doctor that analyzes methyl cycle mutations. The phosphytidylcholine stimulates the BHMT mutations - another way this benefits us. It can help us make more glutathione and help detox the liver.

I am doing well, off the drugs because I can't tolerate them right now, but still holding my ground.

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Thanks for the information.This is very timely as my son is due to start Artemisinin Essentials tomorrow
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neff, I've heard of this product being used as well. How does it compare with the Allergy Research brand? It's seven times more expensive - I wonder why?

http://www.bio-genesis.com/productpages/liposomal-edta/liposomal-edta.html

http://www.nutritionsurplus.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/Shopping.ProductDetails/productid/34869.html

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interesting, neff.

I have never been able to take phosphatidyl choline because it gives me migraines. this makes me i wonder if the headaches were caused by release of spirochetes from the biofilm.

is this why mepron works better when you take it with some fat?

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I use Detoxamin
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Thanks for posting that! It may also work on biofilm of other organisims, too...?
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I have heard that Dr. F uses EDTA, but in six years of treatment, he has never recommended it for my daughter. I wonder when he uses it?
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Neff, you still doing LDN?
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Phosphatidylcholine is a good fat -- the cheap version is lecithin. Hubby took lecithin daily and when we could afford it he took phosphatidylcholine instead -- the Phoschol brand sold by Dr P.K. at Body Bio -- research the Kane protocol. He said the phoschol tasted like burnt motor oil -- he took 1 or 2 tablespoons daily when he took it -- a large bottle lasted a month I think.

Phosphatidylcholine is a very good liver detox and also helps rebuild the myelin sheath around nerves. And actually that is one of the fats that babesia uses to build it's cell walls -- there is a pubmed article somewhere. So the babesia and probably FL1953 rob the body of phosphatidylcholine and you are feeding the bugs but at the same time killing them. Works for me.

You can get the artemix from Hepalin.com as either capsules or a topical gel. Hubby liked the topical gel -- you rub 1/8 teaspoon on the bottom of your feet. He could feel it being absorbed going up the spinal column.

I would be very careful about using EDTA -- there are 2 types. Calcium EDTA and I forget the other one. Oral or suppositories might be ok, but IV can be tricky. I think springshowers did IV EDTA at the clinic in Arizona.

The longer acting EDTA takes 2 or 3 hours by IV, but the calcium EDTA is given over about 20 or 30 minutes. Hubby only had one IV of the calcium EDTA and it was a disaster.

At the time we thought it was because he had been using oral pepto bismol for a week to treat gastritis and his urine metal analysis did show elevated bismuth (the bismuth from the pepto bismol was being absorbed due to his leaky gut).

And Buhner has written about using bismuth and EDTA as a lyme treatment. There was a clinic in Mexico that used to do this and I think a couple of people died.

But I did not know that bismuth could treat biofilms.

Hubby had seizure-like spells within 30 minutes of the EDTA IV and he ended up bed bound for several days with fevers and a rash and mental confusion if I remember correctly. This was probably 6 or 7 years ago -- there is an old post on LymeNet about it somewhere. At the time I don't think he was on antibiotics or at least not meds for babesia.

Hubby never did get around to trying oral EDTA again -- it was on my list of things to try sometime.

I am not sure that I agree that EDTA will not chelate metals -- I think it would depend on the dose. It is obviously systemically absorbed and many ACAM docs use EDTA as their primary method of chelation for heavy metals -- in various forms.

Bea Seibert

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cottonbrain,

I think your reaction to the phosphatidylcholine was probably due to liver detox rather than anything related to spiroketes or parasites. It is the artemisia that kills the babesia or FL1953. The phoschol and EDTA just help the artemsia get to the problem -- supposedly penetrate the biofilm.

Hubby's liver function was improved after IV phosphatidylcoline (as part of the P.K. protocol) and I think it corrected his fatty liver.

Bea Seibert

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LipoPhos is bound to the EDTA somehow so it can penetrate the intestinal walls and cells of the body including crossing the blood brain barrier. But it is a very slow release (so they write) so you are not overwhelmed, like you write about Bea.

I tried taking oral DMSN and just about wound up in the looney bin. This is different. It does bind with heavy metals. That is the primary reason it is taken. The side benefit is it breaks down biofilm

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cottonbrain, I think Bea is right about the phos-choline causing liver detox and that was giving you headaches.

I am not sure why mepron is absorbed better with fat but in my opinion it would be better to take Mepron with a small amount Phos-Choline rather than a large amount of dietary fats because protomyxzoa mulitplies 100 times faster with lipids and most of us are testing positive for it.

I don't think you should take the LipoPhos EDTA every day because it could deplete too many minerals, but twice a week would be good.

CD57, yes I am still taking LDN and it is working very well. I did not get a flu shot. My husband got the flu after missing a few doses. I had a couple days of feeling achy and I am not sure if it was because I had a very mild case of the flu or because I fudged on the fat grams over the Holidays and the PR was becoming more active. My thyroid is doing fine too.

baileypup, I think the difference in price between the biogenesis EDTA Liposomal and LipoPhos EDTA is because the biogenesis brand has lecithin instead of phosphatidylcholine, which is extremely expensive and much better than lecithin.

Artemesinin Essentials does not give the type of phospholipid in it and it is a much smaller dose than the LipoPhos EDTA. It also only has artemesinin, not the artesunate and artemether which are the strongest derivatives. You only have to take LipoPhos EDTA twice a week so that makes it more affordable. You could take the Artemix 4 days on, 3 days off.

I am doing my next dose of LipoPhos EDTA tomorrow and starting my pusle of Artemix. Last time, I was psyched up and took them together with grapefruit juice. You are supposed to mix the LipoPhos with grapefruit juice or something with vitamin C to make it more effective (and mask the taste).

As you probably know, taking artemesia with grapefruit juice also makes it more effective. It might be way to much to take these together but I will try it again and see what happens.

Once I took LipoPhos EDTA with stromectol and grapefruit juice. That made my eyes so blood shot it looked like I had pink eye. I think it increased the risks of side effects with stromectol because it can cause the cornea to hemorrhage in rare cases. I took stromectol for months with no problem but then I noticed i seemed to make my eyes more irritated. Now I am afraid to take stromectol again, so I don't recommend trying this.

Another brand Dr. Roberts recommends is DeToxMax but you have to get that through a doctor and from what I have read LipoPhos EDTA is stronger.

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Someone emailed me asking about the artemix. It is available from the site below. I have no affiliation with the website.

http://www.hepalin.com

Also anyone taking that particular form of artmesia needs to be alert for long QT issues. I am pretty sure that that is one potential side effect of that particular art derivative. I could be wrong though -- it might be the 2nd ingredient in the Coartem that causes the problem -- if anyone has a chance to research this it would be helpful to others.

Bea Seibert

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I took the LipoPhos EDTA this morning with 2 Artetmix. I felt sleepy and had a nap. I forgot to take my morning supplements and took them at noon, forgetting I had already put two Artemix in the box so I accidentally got 4 Artemix this morning.

I felt very tired after that but otherwise ok. I think it was hitting something but it did not have any negative effects so I am going to take Artemix 4 days, 2 days with the LipoPhos EDTA.

I am searching for a way to stay in remission without taking drugs. PR is incurable so I need something to keep it away besides the diet. I am cautiously optimistic that this will work for me.

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My 10 y.o. is being treated for lyme/babesia and is on a regimen of lumbrokinase for the biofilm, then MC Bab-2 and Artemisinin, chrysanthemum antimicrobial, plus phosphatidylcholine.

Things really seems to get stirred up with the recent addition of the phosphatidylcholine - I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this helps everything to work better.

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nefferdun, how many doses a week do you get out of a bottle of LipoPhos EDTA?

Thanks

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Each bottle has about 4 TB and you are supposed to take 2 TB each dose, but you only take it twice a week.

Bitten, I hope it works for your child. Bab-2 is supposed to be very effective too but I haven't been able to get it.

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I did do IV EDTA and have done suppositories before as well as oral .
The IVs for me in conjunction with treating withinh an hour worked well for me.
I transitioned to a soy lecithin based goopy EDTA that worked amazingly well and I still use right before any treatment I choose including rife and how I know it's working is I did the same treatment without EDTA and did it again with at another time and compared responses and i was shocked at the difference. Such as I plateaued on some rife numbers with little reaction or herx but adding EDTA an hour prior I not only felt different during treatment but herx was dedicate and distinctive . I repeated this test back and forth to verify and the comparing proven to repeat itself to show EDTa made a very big difference in treatment . I was stunned and also on how well this oral type you drink works.
I have posted about it in the past.
Dr F many years ago on the start of lab treated me with EDTA and had compounding pharmacy put EDTA in with antibiotics and even did that later again for me but I don't know how often he uses it overall .
I know this idea is what helped the Clinoc formulate there protocol of treating with it fdor hours prior to the administering of the antibiotic all IV. It worked I believe way better than just an anitibiotuc without and I think it's way worth looking into trying and though timing is important and getting the right kind too ..

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