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prayerworks
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I did something very stupid. This evening I had a lot of dishes to wash and I changed the dish water about 5 or 6 times and each time I put dishwashing liquid and clorox bleach. Now it's 3:30 am and my forearms and burning like icy hot. I haven't been able to sleep all night because of the icy hot feeling in both my hands and forearms.

Did I cause myself harm with chemical toxin and lyme? Please help!

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This page has instructions on how to treat chlorine burn:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_treat_a_chlorine_burn

If you have aloe vera gel, that might be ok to put on it after you make sure it is only a 1st degree burn.

If it is a 2nd or greater degree burn, you should go to the ER and get treatment.

I also suggest that you never use bleach in dishwater without also using gloves...

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Hi Razzle:

The skin is not red or swollen, just icy hot type burning. I imagine if it were a 2nd degree burn the skin would be red right?

How stupid of me! Do you think it will poison my system?

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Yes, a 2nd degree burn would be red. Ok good it is not bad then.

I'd go with aloe vera gel or if you have calendula gel, that would also be good. Basically need to treat this as you would a mild sunburn.

I don't know what the systemic affects will be...I think it depends on a number of things - how fast you metabolize stuff, how much bleach was actually absorbed, etc.

Do not put baking soda on it - that will likely worsen the chemical burn because bleach is a strong base (very alkaline) and so is baking soda.

Avocado oil, coconut oil or other vegetable oil may be ok to put on it, too...and I'm sure they would be fine after a day or two, and would help with healing.

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Razzle thank you! I am so nervous right now. I pray that it doesn't affect me systematically.
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Thankfully it was bleach and not something worse (like pesticides, etc.).

The body can handle a certain amount of the chemical elements in bleach because the base constituents are found even in some foods (i.e., bleach is largely chlorine; sodium chloride = table salt).

So I think you will be fine once the burning sensation subsides and the skin heals.

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Did you flush your hands/arms with lots of clean water after you were finished washing the dishes?

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I just washed my hands with soap like I normally do and then I took a shower. My hands up till where the water hit are still burning icy hot type today, but not red. I could smell the clorox still even after washing my hands several times since then.
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Just don't do it again! No need for clorox in dishwater.

Drink lots of water too. That may help.

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I've used bleach on whites and sometimes it gets on my hand and takes forever to wash off skin. If I am

in a hurry, I will take a few capfuls of apple cider vinegar in a small tub of water to counteract

the bleach. Not recommended, though, if you are suffering some kind of burn/irritation.


I am old enough to remember when my great- grandmother would sanitize the kitchen with

vinegar. All the countertops would be wiped down with it.

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Skin is the largest organ on the body. It absorbs everything. I would try detoxing your body with lots of fluids, lemon water, chlorella, etc. Also, a paste of oatmeal and water (like a facial) on your hands and everywhere else the bleach touched wouldn't hurt (oatmeal is very absorbent and soothing).

Bleach is toxic to breathe too, and is toxic for everyone, especially lyme patients. We have to protect our immune systems so they can fight. I would use vinegar, baking soda, dish washing liquid, lemons, etc. Lemons are great for cleaning.

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Amen to those cleaning solutions!

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Just FYI,you are not supposed to mix vinegar and bleach, bad idea.
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Best to just keep bleach out of the home. The odors emit even from a plastic bottle under the sink.

I've not used bleach for over 20 years and my clothes are clean, my countertops clean, too (with a citrus based dish washing soap that does it all).
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If you absolutely need to use bleach, wear gloves, a mask and make sure you can open windows to let the stuff air out.

Don't let it contact your skin or breath in the vapors.

This stuff is toxic.

You might be able to substitute in Grapefruit Seed Extract in your dish rinse water for the bleach. I remember reading that somewhere.

In the meantime, you can make a strong tea with calendula flowers (cover and seep for 20 minutes). Let it cool a bit (or make a small, strong batch and add cooler water) and soak your arms in it.

Also, calendula cream is soothing. Unda makes a good one for burns and cuts.

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Judie's on target with the nice effects of CALENDULA. From my file notes:


Boericke & Tafel Califlora Calendula Gel

Many health markets carry this, as well as many web vendors.

Not oily at all.

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http://altmedicine.about.com/od/completeazindex/a/calendula.htm

Benefits of Calendula

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=calendula%20officinalis

PubMed Search:

Calendula officinalis - 240 abstracts

One of those:
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22315631

Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2012;2012:375671.

Epub 2012 Jan 24.

Wound Healing and Anti-Inflammatory Effect in Animal Models of Calendula officinalis L. Growing in Brazil.

Excerpt:

. . . This experimental study revealed that C. officinalis presented

anti-inflammatory and antibacterial activities as well as angiogenic and fibroplastic properties acting in a positive way on the inflammatory and proliferative phases of the healing process.
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Avalon Baby Protective A, D & E Ointment, 3.5 fl

This is more oily.
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girl, I know you're not supposed to mix ammonia with bleach. Never heard that you weren't supposed to mix vinegar with bleach?

I keep the natural cleaning stuff in the house, but I also keep both bleach and ammonia as well.

I use bleach to disinfect whites and towels and ammonia to do the same with darks in the washing machine.

I also use Clorox Clean-Up to disinfect countertops where raw meat, fish, eggs have been. The last thing I need is E. coli and bleach is the only thing that kills that organism.

I use the Clorox Clean-Up to clean the toilets too.

IMO the "natural" stuff is great, but when you need to disinfect, you need a heavy hitter like bleach.

That said, I've never used bleach to wash the dishes.

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beaches, I've heard that the combo of hydrogen peroxide and vinegar do just as well as bleach for counter tops. You don't MIX it, you have one spray bottle of vinegar and one of hyrdrogen peroxide.

Spray one, then the other.

I never use bleach except occasionally on whites. (I really don't have many whites.)

We haven't died from e.coli yet.

Also, I never have raw meat on counter tops, only on the cutting board which then goes into the dishwasher. I also don't cut very much meat, so that is easy!

Hope some of this helps!

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I guess I am overly careful. I have had both c. diff and e. coli more than once, which is why I choose the bleach for the toilets and the countertops.

We have tons of whites (seems like laundry is a 24/7 operation here) and because of my history with the c. diff I don't take any chances of passing it along. So towels are done with bleach and so are the white undies and T-shirts.

I don't put raw meat or seafood directly on the countertop and I try to avoid using cutting boards for it. But when you open the container/bag that the meat or seafood is in, there's usually a bit of juice left on the countertop. That's when IMO you need to bring out the clorox to kill the germs.

I have a dedicated cutting board for raw meat, but I try to avoid having to cut it myself. If I have to use it, I spray it with Clorox Clean Up and rinse it before putting it in the dishwasher. Then I spray the sink the with Clorox to disinfect.

Have had too many encounters with e. coli and c. diff as it is. I can't afford to take any chances and I have to protect my family. So clorox it is.

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I think I would do the same if I'd had e.coli and/or c.diff! [Big Grin]

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There are natural alternatives to bleach.

Hydrogen Peroxide is the active ingredient in color-safe bleach. I use the drug-store variety of Hydrogen Peroxide in laundry instead of bleach.

Young Living's Thieves Household Cleaner is what I use in the kitchen and bathroom to disinfect everything.

I had a PICC for 3 1/2 years and NO line infection during the entire time (medical professionals tell me this is highly unusual). I attribute that success in part to the use of the Thieves cleaner (and also to extremely careful management of the line).

The essential oils in Thieves have been shown in lab tests to kill most all pathogenic organisms, including e. coli.

Not selling, just educating.

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Melaluca makes a product from natural products, called Solu Guard. It is not toxic to humans or animals but kills just about any kind of bacteria and virus. I use it on countertops all the time.
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Razzle's right, thieves oil household cleaner is great for cleaning (I use it too). It also smells really good. I have MCS and it doesn't bother me at all. It costs more, but it's worth it, IMO.

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"I've heard that the combo of hydrogen peroxide and vinegar do just as well as bleach for counter tops. You don't MIX it, you have one spray bottle of vinegar and one of hyrdrogen peroxide."

That's true. They work at opposite ends of the ph scale (one is acid the other alkaline).

They are just as effective as bleach for killing stuff, you just need to use them separately so they don't cancel each other out.

I use that combo for my butchers block.

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How are you doing now?

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Hi I just wanted to let everyone know that the icy hot burning sensation went away after a day. But I learned a lesson - won't be using clorox any time soon! Thank you all, especially you Razzle for answering so promptly at 3:30 am. God bless.
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Sill, "burning the midnight oil" but a 3:30 a.m. posting time is not 3:30 for everyone. It depends on the time zone they are in but it's not reflected in the posting time set up to show Eastern Time Zone.
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