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Messa
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I have a friend that has very recently been diagnosed with Lyme. She doesn't want to do antibiotics.

She wants to try homeopath drops that have the Lyme bacteria in it which helps your body confuse the parasite and fight back.

Anyone heard of this? Tried it? Had success? What are your thoughts?

The website about this is
http://www.cindeegardner.com/articles/9545617127/treating-lyme-disease-naturally

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I hope your friend can find a good LL ND. That is very important.

In that link above, herbs are listed in that patient's treatment. Excellent author but she goes beyond just homeopathy.

Homeopathy, alone, is not enough. Now, it may be for certain phases or in a very rare case but, most likely, a comprehensive approach is required.

The "definition" of homeopathy, for some, may include herbs but they are not at all the same thing.

Some homeopathics do JUST homeopathy (I've seen a couple of those and they were not at all LL, even though they said so and thought so).

I don't want others to think that just homeopathy, alone, could possibility be enough with lyme. Just so they are clear on that and seek a well-rounded professional to guide them. It has its place and can be very helpful, as part of the plan.

Herbs and nutritional supplement will be needed, too, and maybe some pharmaceuticals along the way.

It's important to know that with certain herbs and nutrients, the body can far easier tolerate Rx treatment and, often, Rx is required, at least for part of the time.

Rife machine is another option.
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Near the end of this thread, your friend will find a post on HOMEOPATHY, as part (not all) of the approach. That link you posted is there, with another good one.


When considering herbal / nutritional / homeopathic / adjunct methods:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathy);

D.C. (Doctor of Chiropractic);

Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc.

(Be aware that those in some categories can have zero or various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail,

BIOPHOTON - BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and

RIFE links.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=013239;p=0

What ILADS is

& WHY you need an ILADS-educated, Lyme Literate Doctor (whether LLMD or LL ND, or both)
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Pulling that post out of that set for your friend:

HOMEOPATHY & HERBS


Robin123 just posted this in another thread:

Good new book out:

http://www.outofthewoodsbook.com/

"Out Of The Woods" written by Katina Makris,

Lyme patient, who's also a homeopath. She treated with homeopathy and herbs and is doing better.

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thanks to patches10025 for these links:

http://www.cindeegardner.com/articles/9545617127/treating-lyme-disease-naturally

Treating Lyme Disease Naturally

- by Cindee Gardner, Ph.D., HD (R.Hom.), D.Hom., C.Hom.

a satisfied patient:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPzIZjW7-k&feature=related

13-minute video by ColdUnderstanding Jan 14, 2012

- after other treatment failures, one young womans successful experience with homeopathy & herbal support treatment.

Just stay with her as she takes us through how she succeeded. She said it "worked miracles" - very authentic. Very hopeful.

(Parental caution for those with young children near your computer as you watch: there are few "adult" words near the end. Totally in context and within reason, yet perhaps not best for young ears.)
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". . . homeopath drops that have the Lyme bacteria in it which helps your body confuse the parasite and fight back. " (end quote)


Different from classical homeopathy, that would be called NOSODES. But, about the body being able to fight back, it's not that easy. It exploded for me.

The Nosode treatment failed me, three times. Deserret was the brand I used. I got so much sicker, so much. The alcohol in them also was very harsh. Very expensive and shattered promises.

Others have had varying degrees of help, mostly, though when part of treatment with Bionic 880 (Photon treatment) where the nosode is not ingested.

Cross search at Google for: Deseret Nosodes, borrelia

In the search results, you will also see about its use with Photon treatment.

MANY who have done that Bionic 880 (photon) treatment have seen fabulous results. I strongly encourage considering that, if at all possible.

There is a links set for that in the "How to find a LL ND" thread, too.
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It the area of Photon therapy (Bionic 880) . . .

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/111563?

Steph's Post-Germany PE-1 Adventures


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=112296;p=0

Topic: Photons - Rife

GiGi started this thread on 11-01-11


SixGoofyKids has successfully conquered lyme with Bionic 880, too. Here is her blog:

http://sixgoofykids.blogspot.com/


Also search past threads in the archives
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After all that, I do recall ONE post by someone a few years ago who did very well with homeopathy (not the nosode kind, but other kinds).

I do not recall at what stage she (I think) did that approach or what else was in the mix - and I do think she had a ND guide her treatment -- she reported that it was a major key to her success.

I don't recall the poster's name, though, to see the posts over the years:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi

Lyme Net Archives

47 matches for "homeopathy" in the subject line of the medical forum, any date.


Then you might also want to search in the "general" forum.
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I'm doing photon treatment, which can be considered homeopathic, since the nosodes that I'm using are homeopathic dilutions of the pathogens.

Using photons potentiates the immune response of the body in many times. There are many people who went into remission using this method.

However, I haven't herd of anybody that got into remission from Lyme by only ingesting homeopathic remedies.

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Ok thank you guys. Not really sure what to tell my friend. She's not into doing antibiotics but I do appreciate the feedback [Smile]
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Tell your friend to find the best ILADS-educated LL ND she can, then.

She needs a real expert to guide her choices and also address any preconceptions or misgivings that she may have about treatment options.
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I think the #1 reason homeopathy alone fails to cure people of Lyme is lack of skill of the practitioner. Patient non-compliance would be #2.

Read "The Homeopathic Treatment of Lyme Disease" by Peter Alex for more insight into the use of homeopathy to treat Lyme.

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Our llmd uses homeopathy, but only as an adjunct to treatment. LLMD uses it for drainage and detox support.
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I've always had a strong response to homeopathy when first taking a remedy. However the response invariably fades with each subsequent dose.

Homeopathy would be an incredible weapon if I could just get it to continue working. I've tried using different potencies of the same nosode and this doesn't make any difference. I've run into this problem with nonpathogenic nosodes as well. I've also used them with my SOTA Lightworks, which doesn't seem to change the effect.

If I don't use a remedy for a year or so, it will regain its ability to produce the desired effect.

Ann Corson mentioned at a 2011 conference that homeopathy doesn't work on really toxic patients. I have noticed stronger effects of remedies after moving from a moldy house. But the waning pattern persists.

Any thoughts?

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I guess that's a nosode? Brussels here has experience with that, if you want to contact her.

I've seen a homeopath a couple times. It depends on their skill to find the right remedies for you. The homeopath talks in terms of constitutional remedies, not specific health conditions.

There are so many things your friend could do that are complementary care. I advise having a Lyme doctor do bloodtesting to see our chemistry and what systems need boosting.

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Geronimog, I know some people who respond less to homeopathy than others.

As you tried nosodes through your solar plexus with the Sota Lightworks without pulsing (I assume) and got little results (?), I wonder if they will work for you.

Or if this is the time in your treatment to use nosodes this way.

For me, it's the strongest way to fight most infections, the strongest way to change a bad habit of the body, of my internal organs. Nothing goes deeper and more effective, in my experience, than homeopathy.

But I do play extensively with dilutions (X, C and LM), and I never use any homeopathic substance same dilution for long (maximum is 4 weeks).

Sometimes, just a few days, normally for a week or so, but never for long.

After that, they stop stop working, so either I dilute it more, or change potency (from D to C) for example. Or move on different substances.

A bit like a song, if you keep singing the same part all the time, it gets boring, and you need to add different parts to make it interesting. Changing the rhythm, the modulation, whatever.

Once you correct one problem, you need to attack another problem, really like tuning. Sometimes it's an infection, and in a different phase (from acute to very chronic).

Sometimes it's an organ that refuses to work properly (like the liver, the GI tract), so they need individual homeopathic substances.

Sometimes, it's your psychological situation that is blocking healing. So you need some support there.

sometimes only a classical homeopath will find your constitutional remedy that will help in deeper layers.

Sometimes it's candida back: you kill it again. Or another infection that rises from dormancy: treat it.

Sometimes it is simply lack of energy in the cells (like the CoQ10 that most lyme patients lack), then I treat that with a magic mix of homeopathic dilutions.

Sometimes it is a problem with uric acid. Or with too many heavy metals (this, I treat without homeopathy, in conventional ways).

Or a problem with certain gland, and hormones. Then I use other homeopathic stuff. And so on.

sometimes, a simple supplement will do a lot (like magnesium, Vit D...)

Such tuning is not only done for people using homeopathy, but it should be done if you use any treatment. Finding what your body is asking to treat, is essential for healing and for finding the right homeopathic substances.

That is why I usually come back to ART, testing organs, testing priorities. No matter which treatment you are doing, finding the order of priorities is the only way of finding the right treatment and moving on, till you reach your 100%.

There are literally THOUSANDS of homeopathic substances, each, you can dilute it in so many different dilutions...

That alone makes about MILLIONS of homeopathic products. Then add COMBINATIONS of substances, with different dilutions, you will go to billions of possible combinations.

The more toxic a person, the less homeopathy seems to work, I keep listening. But guess what? I think I'm EXTREMELY toxic.

Not because I consume too many toxins, but because my body is a BIG failure to detox.

But homeopathy is the only thing that I put my hands on fire, for most treatments. But the sheer number of homeopathic substances that exist can be a barrier to finding the right treatment.

Plus add the dozens of types of homeopathic SCHOOLS, from classic, to use of nosodes, Sanum, Pekana, Heel, Spenglersan, off the counter symptom relief remedies...

It is VERY hard to navigate in it and say: well, homeopathy works or not. Just ask any homeopath, he will have his school of treatment, he will say 'this works, this doesn't', inside homeopathy itself.

My classic homeopath had total disbelief in nosodes. Recently though, he added some in his treatments, just because his classic approach is not working for emergency situations!

I think it is easier to say 'herbs work' or 'don't work' than to say anything about homeopathy, because there is no single 'homeopathy' and people have NO IDEA what potencies and dilutions are, or how they affect the body.

As you say, homeopathy would be incredible if you could just get it to continue working! You said it all!

That is why I use energy tests, that is why I went to see different homeopaths (to get their opinions, their suggestions), and then learned how to self-test too (then I have my own way of finding my remedies), and went on experimenting... There is no end.

Like now: I've been trying all sorts of things to stop my candida. There are many ways, but they are all hard (extreme diet is one, hard diet with strong killers another)...

Well, I just gave up: I'm back to my nosodes from Sanum.

It is much easier to control a candida infection with nosodes. I can eat in restaurants again. I can be functional again, and feel good despite eating carbs again.

Life is soo much easier. So after 2 months with struggle avoiding homeopathy, I am back to Sanum homeopathics, so that I can live my life normally again.

It's really a mystery for me, how people suffering chronic infections so badly, for so many years, how they survive and live their lives without homeopathy. I have no clue how they do, as my life would be no life without it.

I do hope you find your way in it. I've been using it for decades, and when I finally decide to give my nosodes a break, I end up back to them, just because it's the laziest way to control an infection...

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Love your post Brussels. :)

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Sonatina, I do agree with you, that lyme is EVERYWHERE, even inside the bones (at least, that is how I felt!!!).

In my brain, in my spine, in all my joints, in the GI tract, in my eyes, eye nerves, in my ears, liver, sinuses, teeth, tooth roots, heart, jaws, glands, lungs, even in my dreams (or nightmares!).

That is why, no matter what people say, chemical treatments will never reach all these points.

Just imagine that your blood is possibly not even liquid, but more like jelly. How to make chemicals get transported through this jellified substance and still penetrate in your smallest cells, in the middle of the brain, of your bones (jawbones for example)?

Impossible, in my opinion.

A very sick body can barely digest foods, get proper nutrition. Your GI tract is usually in very bad shape with lyme. Whatever you ingest, will probably not go properly through the gut.

In my view, the only way to do kill lyme deeply, is through energy medicine, meaning either something like Rife (electric impulses), or something purely energetic, like homeopathy. Or other types of energy medicine.

That is exactly why, in my view, nothing is STRONGER than homeopathy (or rife, or energy medicine). Nothing goes deeper than such treatments.

The main problem in lyme treatment, is that the treatments simply don't reach where they are supposed to reach.

That is why people just take substances in horribly high amounts, with the hope that this will finally reach where they want to. Or think that injecting will be better.

Really?

Look: there are biofilms, that protect the critters. There is HORRIBLE immunosuppression, that protects the critters. There is thick blood, that protects the critters.

All your organs are working just half of what they should because of excess of biotoxins (due to excess of infections) and man-made toxins (ingested, drank, breathed, through your skin).

The whole colon is usually with inflammation due to allergies (due to low immunity) AND a host of infections and parasites.

I don't see how ingesting or even injecting substances will heal anyone like that. They may help, but heal someone with chronic lyme, in a reasonable time frame (in months, not in decades!) is something next to impossible.

My personal experience says that, no matter what I try, I end up back to homeopathic substances, just because they work faster and deeper, without side effects. Of course, some stuff need to be chemical (I mean, herbs, foods, etc).

But really, treating chronic infections with chemical treatments (herbs and any man made chemicals) is for me too hard, inefficient and with side effects that sometimes make me sicker than the original disease I wanted to treat.

I really don't feel like I have the available time for such treatments (that must be counted in years, usually!). I'm too old for that!!

That is why I end up back to my homeopathic substances.

My daughter just had her birthday party yesterday. I ate her cake, I'm back to normal amounts of carbs, to my small piece of dark chocolate, and yesterday, I went out to eat in a restaurant.

No single flare of candida, fatigue is still around a bit, but I'm just back to life again, after 2 months AVOIDING homeopathic nosodes.

I wanted to put my candida dormant with diet, but I can't live socially that way (zero carbs!!!). A single BITE of bread made my skin flare a bit. On top, I needed to ingest candida killers 2, 3 times a day... so life was hell.

No, I'm too lazy, I gave it up, tomorrow I have to work, so I'm back to nosodes. Same for lyme disease. Nothing worked for me, except for nosodes through infrared. This, really, went deeper than anything I could dream of.

Anyway, I know that common sense says: the strongest treatment is man-made chemicals in combinations. Second, herbs in combination. Third, anything else (massage, positive thinking, energy treatment).

My brain tends to believe that too. The only problem is that in practice, things work much different.

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Brussels said, "That is exactly why, in my view, nothing is STRONGER than homeopathy (or rife, or energy medicine). Nothing goes deeper than such treatments. "

I agree.

If the world was not run by greed we would have

already seen fantastic progress in the realm of

homeopathy/frequency/energy/informational

medicine. If you go to the University of Michigan

one can find, stored there, the historic

homeopathic medical journals that are full of

cured cases. Cases dealing with everything from

meningitis to constipated babies are there for

the interested to read. I have always said that

the way homeopathy is practiced is clunky and

primitive. Every remedy has so many facets.

Homeopathy is complex. Like I said before, in a

round about way, the FDA being in bed with big

pharma, puts the brakes on advancement of

energy/informational medicine. I don't think I

have to break it down on why they do that.


As I see it, homeopathy is a powerful tool, in

the toolkit, to use to get well. Diet, exercise,

good hygiene and environment are important too.

The practitioner Messa mentions, in the first

post, uses many healing modalities, not just

homeopathy and it appears that she is Lyme

literate.

Lyme is a tricky devil and it's good to have a

lot of tricks up our sleeves. If one uses

homeopathy, even if it is only to get one out of

a pharmaceutically caused herx, it is invaluable.

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Classical homeopathy definitely uses nosodes.
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Lookup, I totally agree with you!! Homeopathy is so cheap to be produced, even at home you can produce a lot of stuff.

I still can't believe that pollen de-sensibilization with pollen you collect at home didn't become THE standard treatment for spring allergies, for example. So simple, so easy, so efficient, I've never seen it failing on anyone!!

Zero need for anything else than the pollen that is causing you the allergy!

You don't spend any single cent, and spend about 10 minutes of your time doing it, and your life is again back to 'almost' normal in a matter of minutes. No more itchy eyes, very little running nose.

Until it finally goes totally away on day 2 or 3, as you increase the dilutions.

There is absolutely no interest in researching this phenomenon that was first discovered by the Greeks (the idea that diluted poisons can heal a poison), as anyone can do it at home, free from medical control, from pharma.

No one makes money out of home made remedies, specially if they are efficient!!

Yes, whatever EXTRA tool we have against, not only lyme, but ANY chronic disease, is sacred.

What is also great with homeopathy is that it is MUCH less dangerous to self treat, and keep trying. For the people who can self test, it is really a great help. Of course, there can be mistakes, but still, nothing compared with chemicals.

I still take my chemical things like magnesium, Vit D3, zinc, B6, and plants like chlorella, cardamon, milk thistle... They are invaluable, but I see them as supportive to my homeopathic treatment.

I always get back to homeopathy, to try to heal a wrong behavior of my organs, lymph, glands... and chronic infections.

I'm reading again more about Sanum.

I'll maybe try again breaking the cycles of Mucor racemosus / Aspergillus niger / Penicilums...

Amazingly, I have now active Candida albicans, but I use Mucor racemosus nosodes to treat it.

It works like a charm. I'm out of candida diet now (today, fully back to normal diet, with absolutely no flares). Even fatigue is going away already.

That is what is magic with homeopathy: not only isopathy works (same cures same), but similar cures similar.

Whatever borrelia strain you get, you'll probably still get improvement with any borrelia strain nosodes you use!!

I'm reading again about the Mucor racemosus - Aspergillus niger cycles, and Tuberculosis in the end.

I'll give it a try, to heal both my chronic candida (it keeps coming back), my daughter's food allergies and my husband's eczema.

How can the same type of treatment heal 3 totally 'different' chronic diseases, is my question.

But according to Dr. Wertmann, the cycles of Mucor - Aspergilus - Penicilum plus Tuberculosis is one of the basic causes of all these 3 chronic diseases! Hard to believe.... Anyway, as all are simple homeopathic treatments, I will give it a try (and put my family in the experience!).

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Yes, I read Messa's post and saw the website she mentioned. It looks interesting, and the practioner seems to know homeopathic remedies well.

And of course, like us all, she uses all sorts of treatments too. I used most of the substances she mentioned (homeopathic)!

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Brussels, love your posts and thanks for posting them. Your points are so good and show the complexity and beauty of homeopathy and you do it all in a language that is foreign to you!

Dr. Hahnemann, founder of homeopathy, really went through the wringer as do all brilliant people whose work is a threat to another person's (Rife is another one) way of making money. Dr. Hahnemann was not only a medical doctor but he also spoke 9 languages and was a medical translator and he was also a chemist. That is a far cry from the doctor of the day who knew nothing better than to use too much blood letting, mercury and laxatives. Hahnemann was curing epidemics that cost mere pennies and was honored in Washington DC by a beautiful statue at the intersection of Massachusetts and Rhode Island Aves NW, just to the east of Scott Circle. About a half-mile due north of the White House on 16th St. NW.

Homeopathy was also a threat to pharmacists who sold medicine by the weight (hence a LOT of mercury was sold) and also hey! if you can make a remedy in your practice (or at home like you do) who needs a pharmacist? Doctors, who were not also homeopaths, were also threatened and hence the American Medical Association was formed partly in response to flourishing medical doctor homeopathic practices. At the time, the University of Michigan Medical School included homeopathic medicine courses.... So under the rug goes this beautiful system of healing.

People have no idea the depth to which a true homeopath will think to go to in solving a case. From nosodes to miasms and as if that was not enough there is so much more that makes this even more difficult now days, SUCH AS, the eating of GMO foods, bio-weaponized pathogens, vaccines, EMFs and GeoEngineering that is contaminating every particle of air breathed and food eaten and water drank. That is why the way homeopathy is practiced needs to be updated. We need to be able, through instrumentation, to be able to pinpoint what is holding up a case! People, also have their work cut out for them in that they have to take the bull by the horns and get good food(getting harder every day), put Hepa filters on house furnaces, purify water, exercise etc. On top of that, usually by the time a person shows up to a homeopath they have made themselves into a medical nightmare and have turned the disease into an even more complex disease by marrying miasms through harsh drugs that were suppressive.

Back to your points- agreed- "similar" can get you there and that is why Oscillococcinum for the flu can work, even though it is not the latest strain of flu but is a remedy made from a ducks liver (birds carry all kinds of flu information in them).

The complexity of homeopathy is well, very complex, as you showed in the one remedy, you found, could help with 3 different maladies! That is why I am always interested to hear what is working for people.

Hahnemann stated that to get a person off of a diseased energetic level you need energy medicine. Not only do we use homeopathy, in our case here at home, but also QiGong and TaiChi. But, back to homeopathy, at Hahnemann's time there were 3 miasms. Now there are at least 10 and I think Lyme might be another new one.

When I read what people say here I see different miasms popping up. I also wonder how a homeopath could manage a Lyme case as they change all the time unless the client is put on a retainer fee as I can see that remedies might have to be changed often as one zigzags through a case. As you mentioned before, as the state changes then so does the remedy. Anyway, Lyme is a bringing in a new learning curve for me. In our case there has been one nosode that has been very helpful and I don't think there is anything in the world of medicine that could replace what that one nosode is capable of. Having said that I like the idea of integrative medicine. We need it all - diagnostic labs and instrumentation, trauma units, anesthesia, etc. per situation. And one last thing, I see cases that a homeopath would have thought to be incurable yet I see people getting out of serious neurological symptoms with antibiotics. I am glad to see that. Lyme is a dilly but it appears that there are ways to get out of it. Thank heavens.

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It's funny I'm 'unregistered' and still able to post!? I know it happened in lymenet before...

Thank you for your post too, Lookup. I know how homeopathy was practically killed in the US, physicians were persecuted, lost their licenses, a whole medical board against homeopathy.

Fortunately, I grew in Brazil, and there, homeopathy is reasonably advanced. Now I'm here in Switzerland and Germany, and it is also good here. Also in Belgium, where the other part of my family is. Very well rooted in a reasonable part of the population.

the funny thing is that in East Asia, it is practically totally unknown! Homeopathy is really a total Western medicine!!

In the US, you gotta go against the tendency. And there is a hole in history, so there is lack of practice from practioners...

It takes many years, decades, to gain experience with any type of treatment. I'm glad though that now homeopathy is not illegal anymore there. It was not formally illegal in the past, but almost (if I understood it correctly?).

What is the ONE substance you said worked well for your family?

Could that be Aurum arsenicosum?

I'm curious!

Now I'm on Mucor racemosus nosodes, will start introducing Aspergillus niger nosodes a bit later, then make small pauses and add Penicillium nosodes twice a week.

That is the suggestion of dr. Wertmann for all these chronic diseases (I don't think it will necessarily work as a definitive answer for all chronic diseases, as I'm sure that if it did, I would have known!).

The idea of dr. Wertmann is known for quite a while by people using Sanum, so if it didn't become standard all over, there may be failures.

In the end, he suggested to add Tuberculinum nosodes in D30, D200 and D400 potencies....

Anyway, I'm trying that, parallel to what my doctor recommends!!

Now that we no longer have lyme, we can try new treatments, just because we have time and energy for that!

The Mucor racemosus nosodes are really working for my candida. I'm taking again so much carbs and chocolates as I want, and I start to feel guilty.... I'm not flaring, which is amazing.

My daughter has barely any candida symptom, but the doctor found active candida in her gut too.

Meanwhile, we are treating the KPU, with real zinc and vitamins, supplements (not homeopathic). And trying to fill in our guts with probiotics and prebiotics. Again, real bacteria, not homeopathic.

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I love Taichi /Chikong, if done with breathing...

I'm doing now only breathing, a type of yoga, but also amazingly deep. The Suddarshan Kriya (spelling?). Unbelievable how it goes deep.

I don't consider though these things help to heal things like lyme and candida, even though they may help in the end, deep somewhere.
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I totally agree that what the homeopath is confronted today is massive. It is a hard task for any human, no matter what modality of treatment s/he is in.

Recently I'm dealing with my teeth problems, and only that, is an enormous field in itself, involving the whole body, organs... Plus the costs...

My husband has had few cavities in his life. All his teeth live! No root canal. And he barely brushes his teeth!! He eats candies, sweets, wheat... His main problem is eczema. He's never bitten by ticks or fleas. Rarely falls sick with infections. His energy is amazingly good.

He doesn't feel any bad effect from electrosmog, but thinks I'm overstating the problem. He almost never feel cold, he can work in the garage during winter time with just a cotton jumper.

My teeth are falling apart, I healed lyme, but still fight chronic candida and other infections, I'm constantly bitten by fleas, ticks, insects, I brush my teeth very well but they still die from inside out... I'm still electrosensitive, even though that has improved. I feel cold most of the time.

It's really like day and night! He also thinks most is in the head. I wish it was....

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Brussels said,"In the end, he suggested to add Tuberculinum nosodes in D30, D200 and D400 potencies...."

That is what I was thinking would be in order too. I think it could fit well--esp as you say when you herx you feel angry. That is so Tuberculinum [Wink]

The nosode we use is Carcinosinum. I could not settle on any remedy until I looked at that one and that was it! Bingo! This loved one started out, as a baby, responding perfectly to Phosphorus. But, I knew that no longer fit the case.

For your teeth, I had a friend whose teeth were falling apart and she told me about Standard Process BioDent and even though I cannot fathom how it could help her crumbling teeth, she swears by it.

I have also been thinking about why some people get bit so easily and others don't.
I was reading a book by a German homeopath named Peter Alex, The Homeopathic Treatment of Lyme Disease, p. 58 for the prevention of Lyme disease on the day of the bite and for two subsequent days the recommendation is to take one or two doses of just one globule of Ledum palustre 30c and then just to be sure a globule of Aurum arsenicosum 200c is given on the 6th and 12th day following the bite.

He goes on to say that if a person is getting bit all the time then it would not be wise to keep repeating that regimen all the time so as to not cause a proving. I'm thinking that person might do well to use an essential oil to repel like Rose Geranium, TerraShield by DoTerra is another one.

Just a thought on EMF sensitivity, Byron White Formulas has Envi-Rad for EMF sensitivity and EM-Matrix for strengthening the energetic body.
I had that electrosmog sensitivity too when I was super super sick. I craved to lay on the earth and to go sole to sole with another person and I craved to get the palms of my hands massaged. Now, we know I was craving getting grounded and getting earth energy (also a powerful antioxidant) and I think I was actually siphoning off other people's energy going sole to sole. ooops! sorry about that!

As far as QiGong and TaiChi killing spirochetes--maybe a QiGong Master could do it. But, who has time to become a QiGong Master, lol. For us, it is a way to bring energy into the body. I really have been a lazy bones but our loved one is getting me going in that arena. It feels pretty good. QiGOng is not so complicated as TaiChi-as you know. I don't know about the Suddarsha Kriya (spelling?) but it sounds good!

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Brussels,

That’s the thing, homeopathy works great for me those first few days. I argue often with people about the reality of homeopathy despite its inability to continue to sustain results in my case. For instance I used a babesia 30, 60, 90X and I was free of babesia symptoms for two days! I used the same nosode on day three and was 80% free of symptoms for about a day, and so on.

When you say:

“But I do play extensively with dilutions (X, C and LM), and I never use any homeopathic substance same dilution for long (maximum is 4 weeks).

Sometimes, just a few days, normally for a week or so, but never for long.

After that, they stop stop working, so either I dilute it more, or change potency (from D to C) for example. Or move on different substances.”

I think this thing when the nosodes “stop working” is essentially the same for us. It may just be happening sooner for me. And I haven’t had any success going for higher dilutions. Perhaps there’s something in my system or environment that’s causing the nosodes to not continue to work. As I wrote before, mold toxins have effected the way I respond to nosodes.

I used the SOTA on my solar plexus and spent four minutes on each of the eleven points.

A homeopath who was really big into EAV was able to figure out my constitutional is sulphur. That machine really seemed to help, enabling him to test many possible remedies without exhausting him, as I’ve heard analogue methods do. He also stated that I shouldn’t use a remedy everyday, as this causes it to stop working. So I take it this is just a part of homeopathy. I only wish other dilutions would work.

I know heavy metals are a problem for me, as they are for most of us. I’d innocently thought I’d cleared most of the mercury after following the Cutler protocol. Dosing with chlorella disabused me of this notion, if that was indeed what that incredibly sluggish feeling was all about. This is just one aspect of my corrupted terrain.

Something I’ve to deal with which complicates my life and treatment significantly is the problem of sensitizing to almost everything I put into my body in any kind of quantity. Any idea how this happens? Is it infections or toxicity? I’ve been rotating my foods, beverages, some medicines, for 3 years now. I wish I could get intensive with the chlorella because it seems there’s a lot of poison in me but I’m afraid of sensitizing to it if I have to use high doses day after day to feel okay. Ironically it might well be this poison that’s driving my sensitivities.

Maybe my problem with homeopathy relates to this sensitization. As if I energetically just start to refuse it if it’s used any more frequently than once every 4 days. Who knows. I tell you I sensitize to water too. My way of dealing with this is to infuse a different tea into my water every day of my rotation. This just goes to show that a sensitivity develops on the energetic level before it ever does on the molecular. And maybe this can happen with homeopathy as well. If I don’t touch a remedy for several months it regains its effectiveness. This is a common strategy for desensitizing to foods too. Interesting.

I’ve extreme sympathetic nervous system dominance. I’ve had it all my life. Mycotoxins feed this somewhat, but babesia really drives it. I read that Burrascano claims beta-blockers work against babesia. I think the bug revs up this system because it help secure its survival. So as I treat the babesia I’m doing everything I can think of to quiet this system down. It’s also this autonomic dysfunction that I believe is what has led me to develop ME/CFS. This is becoming more and more apparent.

I think they’ve gone about proving/disproving homeopathy in the wrong way. You’re right, it’s not going to have an effect on everybody. Then you’ve the problem of diagnosing and prescribing, etc. At the end of all this are we going to beat the rates of placebo on reported improvements by those participating? Even if we do there’s going to be some scientist telling us it’s impossible anyway. But what if you got 100 people that are really sensitive to homeopathy and can pick out a 15C nosode against a placebo again and again without missing. Then we could at least get past the objection of “it’s just water!” Imagine the good homeopathy could do if some investment went into it and we had better computer systems screening thousands of remedies on us?

So I plan to continue to clean out my system using binders. At the same time I’ll continue my herbs and such until a time when the homeopathy and energy testing work for me. Somehow I know this is really important even if it hasn’t been the game changer for thus far.

Candida was the first thing I managed to beat. Very low carb diet and lots of garlic did it for me.

Hope you don’t mind all the info. I really appreciate your insight and am just hoping something I write may make sense to you in a way that I hadn’t thought of, and that you might help me solve some aspect of my health puzzle.

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Brussels,

That’s the thing, homeopathy works great for me those first few days. I argue often with people about the reality of homeopathy despite its inability to continue to sustain results in my case. For instance I used a babesia 30, 60, 90X and I was free of babesia symptoms for two days! I used the same nosode on day three and was 80% free of symptoms for about a day, and so on.

When you say:

“But I do play extensively with dilutions (X, C and LM), and I never use any homeopathic substance same dilution for long (maximum is 4 weeks).

Sometimes, just a few days, normally for a week or so, but never for long.

After that, they stop stop working, so either I dilute it more, or change potency (from D to C) for example. Or move on different substances.”

I think this thing when the nosodes “stop working” is essentially the same for us. It may just be happening sooner for me. And I haven’t had any success going for higher dilutions. Perhaps there’s something in my system or environment that’s causing the nosodes to not continue to work. As I wrote before, mold toxins have effected the way I respond to nosodes.

I used the SOTA on my solar plexus and spent four minutes on each of the eleven points.

A homeopath who was really big into EAV was able to figure out my constitutional is sulphur. That machine really seemed to help, enabling him to test many possible remedies without exhausting him, as I’ve heard analogue methods do. He also stated that I shouldn’t use a remedy everyday, as this causes it to stop working. So I take it this is just a part of homeopathy. I only wish other dilutions would work.

I know heavy metals are a problem for me, as they are for most of us. I’d innocently thought I’d cleared most of the mercury after following the Cutler protocol. Dosing with chlorella disabused me of this notion, if that was indeed what that incredibly sluggish feeling was all about. This is just one aspect of my corrupted terrain.

Something I’ve to deal with which complicates my life and treatment significantly is the problem of sensitizing to almost everything I put into my body in any kind of quantity. Any idea how this happens? Is it infections or toxicity? I’ve been rotating my foods, beverages, some medicines, for 3 years now. I wish I could get intensive with the chlorella because it seems there’s a lot of poison in me but I’m afraid of sensitizing to it if I have to use high doses day after day to feel okay. Ironically it might well be this poison that’s driving my sensitivities.

Maybe my problem with homeopathy relates to this sensitization. As if I energetically just start to refuse it if it’s used any more frequently than once every 4 days. Who knows. I tell you I sensitize to water too. My way of dealing with this is to infuse a different tea into my water every day of my rotation. This just goes to show that a sensitivity develops on the energetic level before it ever does on the molecular. And maybe this can happen with homeopathy as well. If I don’t touch a remedy for several months it regains its effectiveness. This is a common strategy for desensitizing to foods too. Interesting.

I’ve extreme sympathetic nervous system dominance. I’ve had it all my life. Mycotoxins feed this somewhat, but babesia really drives it. I read that Burrascano claims beta-blockers work against babesia. I think the bug revs up this system because it help secure its survival. So as I treat the babesia I’m doing everything I can think of to quiet this system down. It’s also this autonomic dysfunction that I believe is what has led me to develop ME/CFS. This is becoming more and more apparent.

I think they’ve gone about proving/disproving homeopathy in the wrong way. You’re right, it’s not going to have an effect on everybody. Then you’ve the problem of diagnosing and prescribing, etc. At the end of all this are we going to beat the rates of placebo on reported improvements by those participating? Even if we do there’s going to be some scientist telling us it’s impossible anyway. But what if you got 100 people that are really sensitive to homeopathy and can pick out a 15C nosode against a placebo again and again without missing. Then we could at least get past the objection of “it’s just water!” Imagine the good homeopathy could do if some investment went into it and we had better computer systems screening thousands of remedies on us?

So I plan to continue to clean out my system using binders. At the same time I’ll continue my herbs and such until a time when the homeopathy and energy testing work for me. Somehow I know this is really important even if it hasn’t been the game changer for thus far.

Candida was the first thing I managed to beat. Very low carb diet and lots of garlic did it for me.

Hope you don’t mind all the info. I really appreciate your insight and am just hoping something I write may make sense to you in a way that I hadn’t thought of, and that you might help me solve some aspect of my health puzzle.

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Geronimog wrote "Then we could at least get past the objection of “it’s just water!”"

The powers that be know it is not "just water."

Dr. Shui Yin Lo proved with an atomic force microscope that the basis of homeopathy is in particle physics. (Double Helix Water, Has the 200 year-old mystery of homeopathy been solved? by Shui-yin Lo PhD and David Gann)

The Queen of England has her own private homeopath and when she travels, a homeopathic kit goes with her. My first mentor in homeopathy was Dr. Trevor Cook who was one of Queen Elizabeth's homeopathic doctors.

Dana Ulman has some very interesting posts concerning homeopathy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/

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Guys, there are so many people here using homeopathy, as much as people use teas for something (like a cold, digestion etc). It could be just placebo, but if it keeps working (placebo or not), I do not mind.

If my borrelia went dormant due to placebo (whatever this placebo is), I'm just happy to take it. But truly, too many medical doctors use homeopathy beside drugs, and they do know the effect these substances have on their patients!
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Geronimog: what you describe sounds to me like extreme toxicity problem. Exactly like me, like my daughter. the more we are toxic, the more sensitivities we get.

We got sensitive to herbs, to the computer, to plants, to really a lot of things. What saved me and her were high doses of binders, specially chlorella, that I do swear on, as I owe my life to it.

Nothing else works for SO LONG, so well, like chlorella. But surely, you can develop a sensitivity to it, specially if the degree of toxicity is too high according to my naturopath. She tried treatments to help the body accept chlorella to a patient, it didn't work.

I really don't know anything that could substitute chlorella. Dr. K. suggested micro silica, but the price is prohibitive, and it is not sold in Germany anymore ( at least, I can't find it).

How about sulphur for you (MSM)? MSM is the second thing I swear, but many people haver problems with sulphur. Specially with babesia, that makes you even more toxic, the only thing that cleaned toxins for good, was MSM in big amounts, coupled with chlorella (also in big amounts).

I swear that your life goes back to almost normal when you are not toxic. You can still have lyme, babesia, and all, kill these stuff, but if you just clean your body, you feel as though you aren't a lyme patient anymore. At least, for a few hours, until the binding effect weans off.
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I suppose that high amounts of heavy metals will cause you even stronger electrosensitivity, will help harbor many bacteria and yeast, will help destroy the mitochondria, and nothing good come out of it.

If your body is not willing to understand the message of homeopathy, is probably also because it is busy trying to survive from toxicity, electrosensitivity, trying to absorb some nutrients and not be in constant inflammation due to food allergies....

It's exactly like the time I was sick with lyme. Rotation is a good idea, for sure. But for me, problem one was toxicity. Solve that problem, you get a feeling your life can go back to a healthy state almost immediately. You feel energy coming back, you feel quietness inside you.

Do you know the feeling of laying on the beach, in a sunny warm day, and feel totally RELAXED? Meaning, you can fall asleep at any moment, dream nice dreams, come back to sunlight, but feel really relaxed, one with your own self?

Well, that is called the 'yin' state in dr. K's jargon. That yin state, you can't have it deeply if you are fighting infections, if you are toxic, if you are surrounded by electrosmog, and of course, if you are mentally stressed.

Take off the toxicity from that list, then diminish electrosmog, treat parallel a bit some infections, man, you come back to life, you love breathing air, eating food, listening to nice music, enjoying beautiful things in life, company of other nice human beings, of animals, of nature...

Add a bit of any of these items above, the pleasure diminishes. Dr. K even COUNTS how much yin a person gets into. I find it very interesting, because I do know what he means with that yin state. Exactly like you describe, by earthing yourself and feeling the earth pull. How can you have that feeling daily, that means to be in yin state!

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As for homeopathy, in your case, Geronimog, I wouldn't be treating infections with homeopathy. I would try to ask your EAV guy to put the hand on each detox organ, and then test homeopathic products for each of your organs.

Example: touch your liver, find the homeopathic substance that supports it, in that exact moment. Then gall bladder, then kidneys, then lymph, small intestine, big intestine. Yes, basically that.

Supporting the organs with homeopathy is very valuable. How to touch the lymph? You gotta know the energetic points for each organ (the Chinese meridians usually help). The lymph point is somewhere on the chest. My lyme doctor always use that point to check my lymph.

Each product for each organ will work for about 2 weeks for me. Then I need to change the products. I almost do not notice a direct effect. What I notice is that I slowly improve overall. As I use energy tests, I know until when these products are still working. But EAV will probably do the same.

Only if you support your organs, then go for killing. If you don't support your organs, killing will bring even more trouble. Specially the nasty toxic babesia. Kill it, and you feel like dying, right?

So again, my feeling in your case is that your body does not want to kill it anymore. It wants to get clean first, then kill after. That is what's nice in homeopathy: if your body does not want to do something, no matter how much strong is the homeopathic potency, your body will not do what is 'told' to. There is always a reason, in my feeling. Either wrong medicine, or potency or wrong treatment!

The EAV guy is smart in saying that the body needs tuning of treatments in an almost daily basis. It is very very true. but no one has the time and budget for that, so I would fix 2 weeks for each treatment, then you need tuning of EVERYTHING again.

It's not only with homeopathy, it is with any treatment. That is my belief. It is the body who defines what needs to be treated, not your mind. We want only killing, but the body wants basically, mostly cleaning!!!

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As for candida, never say never. I beat candida many times in my life. Many, I swear. It goes, but comes back. It went away many times during lyme, as my body was full of other critters taking the ecological space inside me.

Now it comes back, when lyme is not there anymore. I'm beating it again, but as I'm still cleaning heavy metals (KPU), it will be still a long way. Any successful heavy metal chelation treatment, in my case, brought candida to surface again.

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Brussels,

I felt a 50% improvement in total health a few years ago while on an anti parasitic protocol that had wormwood in it.

Every time I take a new anti-babesia med now I feel my system calm down in the same way for a day or so. It's a wonderful feeling. Babesia seems to keep me in a state of perpetual agitation: sweaty palms, muscle twitching, my face goes reddish due to acidic sweat, brain fog, no creativity, etc. Interestingly though, I've never felt a babesia herx. Maybe a bit of sweating, but that's it. I've always felt better when challenging the bug, though it only lasts a couple days. Hopefully I'm weakening the bug and I will start to feel better. Burner claims that crypto and javanica will relieve babesia symptoms within 90 days.

At the moment I'm taking:
600 mg Proguanil
2000 mg Alinia
Cryptolepis
Brucea Javanica
Elecampane


I'm also taking herbs for borrelia that are having some killing effect judging from the herx (samento, usnea), as well as liver, lymph, and immune support (milk thistle, andrographis, astragalus).

I think you're absolutely right about the toxicity problem. I'm thinking I can rotate my binders; chlorella, activated charcoal, cholestyramine, diatomaceous earth or apple pectin all on different days.

Dry brushing feels right, followed by lymphatic massage. Then I do some Qi Gong. This combination really calms me down. I think babesia feeds off a sympathetically stimulated system. That's probably why Burrascano has found beta-blockers to be helpful in treating it.

So detox, calming of the nervous system, and killers for now. I wish I had your talent with energy testing. I know I'm a very sensitive person, but it seems this is nothing more than a curse these days. Probably just too toxic.

What do you think of the idea of rotating binders? Might the chlorella stir up too much one day that the others couldn't clean up?

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quote:
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I used the SOTA on my solar plexus and spent four minutes on each of the eleven points.


Can someone please tell me where these points are?

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Catgirl,

inside of wrists
ears
top of head
third eye
thyroid
heart
solar plexus (use a cloth to cover the nosode)
just under belly button (adrenals)
pubic bone

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Geronimog, thank you! :)

I so want to do this. Do you think the Sota is strong enough to get results, or does one just need to do it longer? Have you tried a pe-1 or something else? One of my practitoners just uses a photon pen and it usually lasts me about 2 weeks, but invariably something else pops up. I need something to use at home.

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Can I scan over my clothes?

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Catgirl:
I guess, it has to be directly on the skin. No clothes.

There are old posts here about the Sota lightworks. Everyone that had both the LW and the PE1 say that the LW is about 10% potency of the PE1. So you need 90% longer treatments, but they still worked for those people.
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No bab herxes, means:
- either wrong herbs /killers,
- or the body does not want to kill babs now but treat something else
- another infection
- or more probably toxic problems?
- organ blockades?

A toxic body cannot kill pathongens, cannot digest well, cannot function well in any way.

Maybe rotating binders is a good idea. Just go by your gut feeling.

Replenish electrolytes. Very important all the time. And add trace minerals with electrolytes.

Usnea alone could almost kill me of herxes.
So did andrographis, even in minimal amounts. Add cats claw to that, i would just die!! Literally, as I got my whole body paralized only adding andro to cats claw.

No way for me to take so many killers like you do, at once. I got very careful after being sent to ER due to a bad herx. After that, when I'm lost, I go back to ART (finding priorities on what to treat, is that an organ, a meridian, or an infection, or my teeth?).

The problem that blocked my progress was often toxicity.

another binder you could add (less dangerous long term than activated charcoal, zeolites, alpha lipoic acid), in my experience is merely different types of clay. It's really mild, it never really did any bad to me.

Can you take MSM? If you can, try a full tablespoon in a cup of water. If you feel better in less than an hour, it means you need it! But if you have problem with sulphur, it's bad to take MSM, I read.

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Catgirl,

I bought the SOTA because I didn't feel like dishing out $1600 for another experimental treatment. I already knew I was sensitive to homeopathy, so I figured I could afford just under four hundred for the SOTA to see if the technology improved things.

Homeopathy with the machine is stronger than homeopathy alone. However as I've said, the effects faded quickly in my case. I'm not using it now because I believe the benefit at this point to be minimal. Also the device can irritate my electrical sensitivity. Hopefully I'll be able to get more out of homeopathy in the future.

I can whole-heartedly recommend the SOTA as a starter. However you might want to try a little homeopathy first to see if you're sensitive to it. If homeopathy doesn't work for you, there's no point in buying a machine.


Brussels,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I'm not sure what to make of the lack of babs herx. I have had sweats since treating, which I don't normally have as a symptom. Burner says everybody is different, some herx with babe and some don't. I've also read Burrascano and Horowitz talking about how we can see improvements in symptoms but not really reduce the pathogen load; that the bug just kind of goes dormant. I don't know what the case is with me. Certainly I've seen improvement with herbs, but again, I tend to go up and down. I just hope I'm making progress against it.

I herx when going after borrelia. Samento produced a good herx for several days when I started it. Garlic too. Still, I know you're right and that I've to do a lot of clean up. At the moment it's just red root, dry brushing, and lymphatic massage.

My ankylosing spondylitis goes nuts if I swallow a spoonful of MSM. Though it's been years since I tried it, maybe a little won't hurt. I'll try that.

The chlorella is the only thing to have really kicked my butt in a while. This probably suggests it's what I should be doing. I'm not sure what it's mobilizing but it's something serious. It makes it so that I don't want to get out of bed in the morning, and then it takes almost everything I have to stay on my feet. Mercury in my system tends to produce a very specific effect, and this isn't it. Any ideas what else it could be mobilizing? I've to say I'm scared to take a megadose of the stuff as Klinghardt suggests. However I've ordered some DMSA to take with it just to see if the mystery toxin might be metal(s). I also have EDTA. We'll see. I guess I could always try taking a lot of vitamin C with it and maybe some baking soda to dampen the inflammatory cascade.

I know Cowden says, "no binders unless they're absolutely necessary to reduce a herx." What do you think about this? Do we get most of our medicines if taken a couple hours away from binders?

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Chlorella binds to so many metals, it could be any of them, or many of them together. I still feel its effect after about 10 years on it! I've ingested so many kilograms of chlorella so far, I don't know even how many!

If I remember well, it doesn't bind to only ONE metal (and if my memory is good, for that metal, spirulina will do the job).

But for 99% of metals, chlorella is the lady you should be talking to, for years to come!! You clean the lymph and organs with it, then the cells dump other metals in the lymph again (I mean, in the matrix).

Add zinc to the story, wow, you may just collapse. I wouldn't add chelators like EDTA or zeolites, alpha lipoic acid, whatever.

I wouldn't, if I was not sure my lymph and organs are clean. Otherwise, there will be more dumping of metals in your body, and how is it going to handle it?

If you feel something like you describe (fatigue) only by chlorella mobilization effects, maybe you're in the right track. It's toxins you need to deal with.

Is your chlorella clean? I hope so.

You gotta get these toxins out, to move on with ANY TREATMENT. It's not the homeopathy that stops working. It's toxic body that does. Whatever you try, if you are still too toxic, nothing will work. I can almost swear to you.

A toxic body cannot heal. This is so true!!!

But be extra careful to detox your body, as these heavy metals are really nasty. It feels like a bad herx, when they are on the loose.

Cowden says no binders? I wonder why. I had no choice, either binders or I didn't function at all.

In my head, no binders = no improvement.

Binders = life goes on as though I was not sick. Until the effect of binders fade, then hell re-starts, fatigue, everything...

I don't mind if my medicines are washed out with binders. I suppose chlorella won't do that (I never heard about it, but who knows?). It's a bit like saying eating green salads in great amounts may wash your medicine away? Might, but... I really had no choice. In order to function, it was binders or bed-bound.

Even today, I'm on a candida fight, no more lyme. If I just don't take chlorella, omega 3, magnesium, or whatever my body needs to detox, well, my candida flares back again. Slowly but surely.

To eliminate flares, I take chlorella regularly. If I don't, candida gets a point against me. If I take it on time, I feel I even do not suffer from candida anymore. And eventually, it goes back to dormant form. It's always had been the case for me, for years. Until next time, months later, when it decides to wake up again.

Exactly like with lyme treatment. I mean, using binders, I feel I eventually fought infection by infection, until they give up on me.

Toxins coming from die off of certain pathogens are THE main gun against their deaths! They developed the mechanism to survive. Let these toxins on the run, they win in the end, we lose.

Do you feel your babesia is getting weaker?
If yes, you might be winning from it.

Mine always kept coming back, and in tricky ways, the symptoms kept always changing and I thought I might have won... But it slowly came back....

But I always had new tricks against it, and eventually, babesia gave up. But I always fought it swimming in binders, many times a day. It was the only way of getting it dormant.

Have you tried some cardamon powder or cardamon seeds? I do like it to help cleaning the lymph, but I do find it has anti babesial effects too. Not solo, but I never left my cardamon during babesia. Noni tincture also helped. I had babs twice, from two bites, the treatment varied a bit...

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Thank you Brussels and Geronimog, You both bring up really good points/recommendations to consider.

I am a little concerned about the pe-1 now because I am sensitive. I do have problems with emfs (Thank you Geronimog for bring that up). I can handle ondamed though, no problem. I tried a biomat recently and it hurt my head. I thought maybe it moved some metals around on me (tinnitus came back and stronger this time too). I wonder if the pe-1 has a mild or reduced setting on it?

Brussels, I love all the info you provided too, thank you. I never thought to ask priority for so many things: meridians, organs, teeth infection, toxicity. I've always just asked if it was beneficial to me (lol)! I'm so clueless at this stuff. I really want to learn though.

I have been seeing a naturopath and I do get homeopathics regularly. Also asyra, which uses a photon pen, but I am not sure the strength of it. I wonder if it is as mild as the Sota LW? What do you guys think, or anyone, please comment? The photon pen is much stronger for me than the homeopathics though, but I still find homeopathics helpful in between visits.

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I’m using the NOW brand of chlorella. It’s supposed to be fairly clean. The last time I dosed with it I used a hefty tablespoon. I would have thought, according to Dr K, that this would have bound more than it mobilized. I’m considering trying the chlorella that binds more and mobilizes less for a while. It’s a different species, I believe.

Yes I’m thinking Cowden is wrong about the binders. I’m assuming he fears they soak up the herbs, though I may be wrong. And remember his program has you dosing 4 times a day. That doesn’t leave much room for binders inbetween. I intend to do a sort of modified Cowden/Buhner; one that includes lots of binders and detox.

“In my head, no binders = no improvement.” That’s what I’m thinking

“Binders = life goes on as though I was not sick. Until the effect of binders fade, then hell re-starts, fatigue, everything…” Still eh? I guess some of us really weren’t born with great detoxifying genes.

I’m throwing a lot at babs now and I feel it’s a back and forth battle. At times my symptoms start to fade, only to return an hour or so later. This goes on throughout the day. Really hard to say who’s winning. All I know is it’s great to know ones enemy and start throwing a few shots back their way.

I'm thinking that since my body can herx from (kill) borrelia, it should be able to handle a little babesia killing too. The fact that I don't herx from the latter might just be an individual thing. If the herx is a defence mechanism that the bugs have evolved to ensure their survival (and I believe it is) then maybe I'm biologically in a better position (because I don't herx) to kick duncani's ass! That's the way I'm choosing to look at it.

I’ve read of you mentioning white cardamom. I don’t know if this will be difficult to get a hold of but it’s definitely burned into my memory. I’ve gone over all the old babs threads on the forum here, taking all kinds of notes from you and Be a and others.

Thanks so much.

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Geronimog, according to dr. K's thinking, we are sick with infectious disease BECAUSE our bodies cannot detoxify well.

If we were good detoxifiers, we wouldn't simply fall sick. That is his theory, and the more I'm into treatment and healing, the more I'm convinced this is 100% true.

Of course, degrees vary, some detox worse than others. But ultimately, that is our main problem, all of us suffering from chronic lyme.

As for chlorella, it always stir before binding. If you take too little, it ONLY basically stirs. A bit like walking in a muddy pond: our steps make the water muddy, then we need enough binders to bind to those mud particles.

Vulgaris is the best as starter. Only after getting very used to it, you can move to other species. Look for vulgaris.

I hope your theory of herxes is right!

I just bought a Masala mix for Indian tea: it's only powder of plants, and it includes cardamon seeds and the 'bark'.

I suppose most Asiatic shops will sell cardamon or this Masala mix. You can also just chew it, if you don't find it in powder. I love its taste.

Another thing to look into is noni tincture. The juice never did anything to me, but the tincture, I do think it helped me getting rid of babs.

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Cat girl, you are welcome!

I don't know which pen is that. Does it use laser or infrared?

And you guys are right about electrosmog. I couldn't handle my PE1 for longer during lyme because I felt funny.

Now I can stay an hour and just feel good. I guess again, dr. K is right on spot about heavy metals and electrosmog sensitivity.

I wonder if other neurotoxins also do not play a role on electrosensitivity. The only thing that improved mine was really, the KPU protocol.

But I wouldn't recommend it together with lyme treatment (too much for the body to handle).

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Catgirl - do you find asyra to be accurate?
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Yes, it has been accurate for me, but it only lasts a couple of weeks. I think it's laser, but thought my practitioner said it was photons (not sure, sorry).

My first apt the laser made me herx hard, but the herxing was less strong each time thereafter. Looking back now, I wonder if it has been strong enough, so maybe the pe 1 is for me.

Did you start out on the lowest setting when you started using the pe-1, and if so, did you notice anything? I would hate to get this thing and find out the lowest setting is too much for me. I also would hate to get the Sota and find out it's too weak, but I guess I would just do it longer.

The biomat was too strong for me (stirred up metals), so unfortunately I could not use it. I am also still battling parasites along with the metals, so I am wondering if the Sota LW or pe-1 would work at all for me--any thoughts? I am also on the Core.

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Catgirl- the Asyra I see on line does an

informational signature scan and then makes a

remedy with that info. I looked at the Asyra site

to see if there was a laser attachment but did not

see one. Maybe the laser used on you was not Asyra?

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Catgirl - just found some info. What the Asyra

laser does is feed your informational hits back

to you instead of imprinting it in water. Doesn't

sound like photon therapy.

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My practitioner puts the pen on the asyra unit and it transfers the frequencies into the pen, then uses the pen on me. He said it was photons, I'm not really sure though. He also imprints the asyra frequencies into a homeopathic (not water).

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Brussels, I can assure you without a speck of doubt that neurotoxins such as mycotoxins and LPS can perpetuate EMF sensitivity.

Mine, which has been severe in the past, directly corresponds to my exposure. At the moment it's 10% of what it was at its worst. The reason for this is I'm currently living in a much healthier house.

During a trial of "extreme avoidance" in the desert I had absolutely no EMF sensitivity. However with this extreme form of avoidance my chemical sensitivities, which aren't usually a problem, went absolutely nuts. Any ideas why this happens? It's a common enough occurrence with people who try this experiment.

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Cat girl: if I remember well, people who had parasites as main problems fared not very well with infrared. I wonder if infrared helps some parasites too...

The pe1, you can set to 10%, so like the LW. Then start building from that.

I would treat parasites before treating with infrared, just as precaution. Try most of chemicals, and some natural plants. If no reaction, probably not many parasites, then do infrared with nosodes. Not before.

Do you use chlorella? Infrared does mobilize metals too. No binder = you get worse. You may not feel immediately, but with the time, these metals do incredible damage when they are on the loose. Bind them, flush them off. It's THE only way.

How do you fare on The Core? It was too strong for us. My body could not take 1/4 of a capsule. We lowered to 1/6 capsule every 3-4 days. then I changed brands, much better (but we could rise to 1/4 of a capsule).

It's been one whole year, we reached 1/2 capsule 2x week!!! Still pouring metals, I swear. Not as much as start, but certain!

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Geronimog, I have no clear idea about your chemical sensitivities going nuts. Could that have been a coincidence?

One thing I know: you treat something, your body shows you the next layer that you should be treating next. You treat that again, your body shows a next layer. And so on.

It goes like that with heavy metals, pathogens, psycho problems. You kill one pathogen, you get the next one that was dormant. You take away a heavy metal, candida wakes up.

It could be that you 'treated' the problem of electrosmog, then your immune system started working on something and liberated too many toxins (like started killing candida, that do not thrive in electrosmog-free places), and that dumping of candida die-off toxins is a wreck for the immune system (then causing allergies to rise)?.

Just some thoughts. That is why I LOVE my energy tests. I concentrate, then make the questions. and I get so many answers. I wonder, if they were all right. Probably not.

But they certainly helped me to TUNE my treatment, to give me DIRECTIONS on what to treat next. I treated then layer by layer like that, until I realized, i was healed from lyme!

You feel the symptoms going away, only to realize a next one is rising....

What is to consider is that, if you treat something and nothing changes, it probably didn't work.

If your body changes, for good or for bad, is a better sign than when nothing changes.

At least, you opened a Pandora box that needed cleansing. Keep that Pandora box close, you will get badly surprised in the future...

That is why the allergy thing could have been a good sign. It's just a total guess, but if you could test yourself energetically, many possible answers could have come.

You just trust your tests when you see REAL improvement, one after another. It takes some time to feel a bit of confidence.

Whatever you treat successfully, your body will CHANGE and show you the next step, with worsening of symptoms somewhere usually. Until you find nothing else to treat. That has been my experience.

Of course, there are immune deficiencies, allergy problems, nutritional deficiencies, etc that are not treatable fast. Then you need a good solid knowledge of the causes of problems and energy tests will not be that useful (as with finding remedies to kill a pathogen, or to bind toxins...).

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quote:
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I would treat parasites before treating with infrared, just as precaution.

Thanks Brussels. Maybe this is why asyra only lasts a couple of weeks for me. Maybe I should work on parasites and heavy metals longer. The thing is though, I do feel better after I get asyra. It does seem to correct some things for me. I have also checked with my practitioner, and it is photons.

You are so right about binders. I tried a biomat once and my head hurt for weeks afterwards. I didn't even think to take it before trying the biomat though. Now I know better, thank you!

Do you take a binder before PE-1 too? Maybe I should do that before asyra as well? Asyra seems not as strong as the biomat though, so my head doesn't really hurt with it.

I may need to get some chlorella (I think mine died). I've been using DE, clay, etc. For some reason I thought that chlorella was a mover, not a true binder, is that wrong?

I have a question about testing for priority. Almost daily my priority changes. One day it's viruses, the next a co infection, the next mold, etc. Did you ever have to treat that way? I'm wondering if it is just me.

Initially the Core made me dump lots of heavy metals. I felt horrible on it. Now I can tolerate 1-2 pills per week, sometimes more, and I feel better after I take it.

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Chlorella moves before binding. A bit like moving the water in a pond and you see it getting murky. Chlorella will do that, so you will feel a bit strange at first.

If there is enough chlorella to bind to the murky water, you'll feel that funny feeling going down in less than an hour, for sure (at least, for me, it works pretty fast). If after one hour, you feel like a herx from chlorella, either you took too little, or you are reacting badly to chlorella.

I know that I never react badly to chlorella if I take more of it.

Since I discovered that my body could be paralized, that I could just start with episodes of air hunger, that my heart would start beating crazily, well, and that all was NOT from infection but from toxins, die off or mobilization, I decided to concentrate my treatment 80% on detox.

So during ALL YEARS I treated lyme and candida, detox is my number one treatment. So always, no matter what I am doing, I take multiple things to help my body to detox. Sometimes it is as simple as magnesium, other times, chlorella, charcoals, alpha lipoic acid, MSM, bear garlic tincture,...

Other times I take organ supportive substances, to support specifically the liver, or the lymph, or the kidneys (usually homeoapthic).

My treatment was basically a lot of detox, body support, and a bit of killers. Then I mostly felt improvement, otherwise, I went mostly backwards.

You are right about priorities. But dr. K. has a whole methodology to find these: it's not exactly only infections, but it has to do with the way the body reacts to ART. He starts with regulation (to open it, is always a priority).

Then goes to main meridians (treatment is basically tapping them). Then he goes to some other stuff (psychological blockades sometimes, switching..., it depends on the patient). Only then he will go for organ by organ test, finding which organs are in trouble in 3 levels.

Example: he finds the liver, big intestine, lymph are in big trouble. He tries to find which one is the most important. Then when he finds it, he starts asking what is the problem with the liver, for example. Is it infection? Is it toxins? Parasites? Functional? Cancer? A psychological blockade? When he finds the reason, infectious or not, he will treat that.

If there is time to treat other things, he will treat patient's symptoms. Ex: headache. He will try to find out what is causing that, and treat properly.

Got it? that is what I meant by priorities... It does not have to be ONLY pathogens. The reason why we are a pathogen soup is somewhere else than in the critters themselves.

But of course, you have to treat them too, or they may kill us or handicap us. But if you do not treat other priorities (organs, for example), how can your body get rid of all the HOSTS of pathogens that will show up every day?

Having said that, when I was still a beginner on these energy tests, and I had to treat myself at home most of the time, I did go by symptoms: I touch a part of my body, and ask, is this babesia? Then I find out what herbs to kill it.

Next day, something had changed: either the amount of one of the herbs I used to attack babesia, or the whole plant needed replacement to continue my progress. It worked SO WELL, i could see the symptoms slowly disappearing. And as you said, things changed daily.

That is how you understand how INTELLIGENT these pathogens are, how they HIDE from your guns so well, and how they fight (I could see that they could even use their last energy in a big battle before fading forever). It was amazing.

Exactly as you said, the plants change, the substances change, and pathogens change. It's a full ecossystem, all in connection. At least, that is how I see it.

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Great info, thank you Brussels!

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I need to read this more thoroughly. I just wanted to share my experience with the just self homeopathy, using the Boiron you can get at whole foods...

I used to get horrible rashes... Itchy, hot, lasted for months... While treating Lyme, I made the mistake of getting a cortisone shot in my feet on the Friday of a long weekend... I got a horrible rash from my waist down. Out of desperation, And doing a little reading on line, I got, Apis, and Urtica Urens. I followed instructions... And by the end of the weekend my rash was gone. Now, I also did antihistimes, drank lots of water... But the only new thing was the homeopathy. Since then when ever I get even a hint of a rash I use this... And I've not had an out of control rash since.

I need to say I was a non believer. But now I wish I had access to a homeopath, cause if those little pellets could help 30 years if misery, I wonder what someone who knew what they were doing could do.

I also want to say, I believe beating down Lyme and Bart with 18 months of multiple abx also helped eliminat these rashes... But the homeopathy worked fast.

My dogs vet says... If you use the wrong therapy it does nothing, but if you find the right one for you, it's like unlocking a door!

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What is Chiren?

I understand it is the Biophoton people speak of.


Do we know if the treatment is successful with Lyme?

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Kudzu, so glad you found these so common remedies, Apis melifica and Urtica urens.

The potency and dilution are also important though... You can have the good substance, but the wrong potency / dilution, it won't work as well!

Exactly: like unlocking doors!

It's not a matter of believing. There are loads of studies done with animals, who have no idea what they are being treated for. They do heal too!

Once you get that good homeopathic remedy, you unlock a blocked liver, a blocked kidney, a blocked lymph... and with photons + nosodes, you unlock your immune system : why was it sleeping and not killing borrelia??

And if you go to a classical homeopath, he can do some deeper work that will reach your soul, really. I don't think it heals many chronic diseases like infections, but it helps us feeling better in general.

Homeopathy is inexpensive, and with barely any noticeable side effects.

Because of my big homeopathic home pharmacy, I feel really quite safe against many nasty infections out there. If I get Ebola or a new virus, I will try first my own products before searching for help.

I might be wrong, but I can't trust our hospitals or common medical doctors. For infections, my trust in hospitals is zero.

Get this homeopathy through photons, and you get a 20-50 fold stronger treatment (if it works). It goes through amazing depths!

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Same as pollen allergy: take the allergen, dilute it, ingest it or sniff it. The inflammation goes down so fast, that it can't be our imagination!

How can you spend a whole box of tissue paper, then after 30 min on pollen dilutions, the whole thing practically stops. Next day, you barely have anything, just lightly. Day 3, it's gone, despite the pollen still being around!

I'm so sorry for all you guys suffering from pollen allergy and having to take antihistamines, and chemicals, and still suffer.

There is free treatment just out there: collect the pollen, dilute it and take it. It works pretty fast. Not from 100 to zero, but from 100 bad to 60 in an hour, then to 40 in two hours. Next day, you'll be on 30% of what you were the day before. Day 3 next to 10% or so. Sometimes zero.

I've been doing that for ages, it ALWAYS worked to believers or non-believers!

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Got that mold allergy that seems to burn your brain? I had that. Mold in the carpet, my eyes burnt, my nose too. I could barely enter my living room, my head went dizzy.

Just to look at the carpet, I had vertigo...

Well, I took courage, collected the nasty mold, did the same as above, diluted it, ingested it.

I could clean the whole carpet in the next days by letting it under the sunlight, and hitting it with a stick.

I not only survived, but I could even do it. I could even check if the mold was gone, the carpet is now back. Next summer I'll wash it properly.

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I'm just telling you guys such examples, because homeopathy is one of the keys for unlocking doors in chronic disease, or in acute diseases!

It's not a solo therapy, but it is for me, THE most important type of treatment I ever did, and still do.

Take away all chemicals, and all herbs, I can still treat myself and survive if I have my homeopathic remedies.

Homeopathy is powerful and gentle at the same time. This is because it goes pretty deep, it treats you in the energetic level, not in the biochemical level.

That is why it can unlock doors. A biochemical treatment will never unlock doors.

It will only fill in what's missing at that moment, and then you still need to keep adding biochemicals forever.

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After Bussels shared with me her passion to homeopathy, me too I’ve used nosodes and photons extensively with great success.

For me the nosodes and photons worked like a miracle for certain pathogens, like borrelia, bartonella or erhlichia. I think even babesia got down, as I don’t test for babesia nosodes anymore.

The story about ehrlichia was quite fascinating. When I treated borrelia, bartonella , babesia, I went into short remission for a few months. Then all of a sudden, I felt fatigued, achy, my tummy was hurting a lot and I developed a weird rush around my ankles. Energetic tests said it was ehlichia, but I didn’t have the right nosode at the time.

For the 2 weeks that it took for me to get the nosodes I was treating with Rife ehrlichia appropriate frequencies. I was feeling a little better, but I had to treat every day, otherwise the symptoms came back.

Once I got ehrlichia nosodes, I think I’ve treated all together 5 or 6 times and it disappeared. That was pretty amazing!!!

However, nosodes worked great for many infections but not for ptotozoa. I don’t test for babesia nosodes anymore, but my leftover symptoms are similar and respond to protozoa when I test energetically. So for that I had to use other treatment modalities.

And that’s too bad , because the nosods+photons are the most effective, easy if you know how to test and fun!


So I don’t think that nosodes will work if you have any kind of protozoan infection, however, for all bacteria, viruses it was a life saviour for me.

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Hi Anuta, yes I do think that only pathogens that react to ingested homeopathic nosodes will be cleared with this therapy.

I have the feeling that the BIGGER the pathogen (like going to parasitic size), the less efficient nosodes are. Protozoa are usually big pathogens, and so are worms.

Now I'm treating a left over from a jawbone infection, after I took off a very badly infected tooth. The infection spread inside my jawbone (cheek), so the dentist couldn't clear it all (too deep). I used my teeth to make many nosodes, and am treating it.

The reaction is almost violent. I started to produce pus again, after YEARS left half dormant. Things are moving deep there in my jawbone. Let's see. I just treated once, I'll keep trying for a couple of weeks.

Glad to know that ehrlichia reacted well to nosodes + photons. I do think another big hit is bartonella.

Glad to know that even the bigger babesia got affected. More than one person told me about that. Amazing, if it does help there too!

Good luck in fighting this protozoan. What about Rife? I do have the feeling Rife works better for bigger pathogens?!

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What do you do though if you have erlichia, bart and more flaring and you have parasites and heavy metals? If you can't do nosodes and photons until the parasites/heavy metals are knocked down, what's left to fight these infections with other than herbs (not really into abx)? Maybe I should try rife.

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Thank you Brussels. I'm doing MMS and low fat diet to fight protozoa.

I find that I reacted to MMS much stronger than on Rife. But maybe I should try it on top of MMS.

I have been doing MMS for about 12 months now and I feel SO MUCH better. Based on my tests it is enough to erradicate protozoan parasites. Will see.

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Great Anuta. Crossing my fingers for you! I guess it takes long to eliminate all eggs and intermediary forms... I stopped MMS, just because I hate its taste and smell...

Where is the infection concentrated? In the gut?
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CAtgirl: I guess if you have a Rife, why not trying it?

Meanwhile, you treat your parasites aggressively (with chemicals, if necessary). They react pretty fast, I heard....

When you stop reacting to antiparasitic drugs, then you can start borrelia nosodes. I promise you, that if borrelia does get dormant, all coinfections get easier to treat.

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Brussels, this protozoa was a lot in the gut, but now my gut is much better. It is also in my spleen , sinuses and kidneys. Inflammation in the sinuses was my first and only symptom for 2 years. After that it started to spread.

It is very interesting to see how parasites- fungy –metals are related. Dr. K is always talking about that.

As soon as I start to treat with MMS, protozoa dies- fungy flares and I have allergic reactions to metals. If I stop taking MMS-I don’t react on metals at all. If only all of that could cause no pain- that would be the amazing experiment from the scientific point of view.

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Thanks Brussels!

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You are right, Anuta. Every time I have successful heavy metal chelator (like the zinc protocol, KPU), I have a stronger fungal infection.

Of course, also food allergies will rise, when metals are loose too... so that's another point...

It's really like peeling the onion. Now that I'm treating some bone infection (in the sinuses), pretty aggressively (with photons), my tummy is all a mess.

As much as the teeth and roots are so linked to all other parts of the body, I'm wondering about the sinuses: how much these localized infections are not harbored in the GI tract or other parts of the body... I am having clearly die off in my JOINTS after using my teeth nosodes...

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I've been treating with a constitution remedy (Sepia) for a year. I started really low with a 30x, moved to a 30c for about 5 months then to a 200c for 4 months and now just started 1M.

My homeopath is classically trained and did a face analysis to find the correct remedy. It has done wonders to heal my body. I agree it is an in addition to therapy. I started treatment with acupuncture and Chinese herbs to heal my gut, migraines and control pains and night sweats.

I have a GB4000 that I use as well as a mhbot. I take no medication, no herbs or supplements, eat a balanced diet and detox with coffee enemas. Not sure how far these healing therapies will take me but I'm feeling better each day.

My dog also takes a constitutional remedy for his liver Lycopodium. He was bleeding out last year in the ICU and after two blood transfusion that didn't take homeopathic remedies saved his life. I've seen great things in emergency and acute cases with remedies. If it keeps me out of the doctors office and it's natural I'm all in.

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Peinmomma,

My daughter was a Lycopodium girl too, like your dog!! I think she changed now, as she doesn't react to it anymore.

Homeopathy remains for me too, one of the most amazing forms or medicine (or healing therapy). It does not do EVERYTHING on its own, but it does so much more than pure chemicals (herbs or pharma).

I do think that without homeopathic support, it is VERY hard for the body to fix itself, in case we suffer from chronic diseases!

I also love emergency remedies, as well as constitutional ones. Glad you also like them!

I'm still on Sanum therapy for the last weeks, months, so to say, very simple, very inexpensive to try to stop my body to let infections grow.

I'm simply taking 2 remedies: Mucor racemosus nosodes in the morning, Aspergilus niger nosodes in the evening. Supposedly, they would help my body to stop letting pathogens change and colonize my body. That is the 'idea' behind this Sanum protocol.

It is not classic homeopathy, nor symptom base. It is just Sanum, another approach inspired in Enderlein's discovery that pathogens change and become nasty (like candida, there can be good candida, and the SAME candida species can become pathogenic) if the environment (the body) is sick /bad.

The intention is to make the body stop the cycle of disease (of self creation of pathogens).

This protocol did make my candida almost dormant again this winter, but not totally dormant. But I know that I'm supposed to try this therapy for months, as it is not a 'direct' nosode therapy.

I just added a new mode of therapy about 2 weeks ago, with Tesla lights, and my poor candida is having great difficulties to keep active. I think it will go dormant soon, as my skin is really healing fast!

anyway, thanks for posting your experience. I guess only the people who try and experience homeopathy know what it really does! congrats for your health, wish your treatment goes on well without need of drugs!

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Hey Brussels,

I'm incorporating some of the principles of Biological Medicine into my own health regimen. The Sanum remedies I've used in the past are Pleo Nig and Pleo Ex. It's been a couple years but I remember them creating some pain in my spine, which I assume was part of a healing crisis. Interestingly the practitioner who prescribed them remarked with considerable surprise while energy testing me that my entire spinal column was inflamed. To this I replied "that's what myalgic encephalomyelitis actually means." Anyway I haven't resumed taking those remedies just yet, but I have seriously decreased the amount of protein I'm eating in accordance with Sanum therapy. And as a result I feel considerably better on a real ketogenic diet. There's no doubt it's decreased my oxidative stress.

My babesia symptoms are far milder now too, as if the pathogen is simply less pathogenic in my altered terrain. After all I know it's the toxin I react to and not the babesia itself. You mentioned pathogens are far more virulent in a toxic environment. Well besides everything else I've come to realize protein has also been poisoning my system. Klinghardt once mentioned a high protein diet is usually a nightmare in chronic Lyme. It creates a toxic, acidic milieu.

Those who practice Sanum therapy greatly stress the importance of lowering protein in the diet, and how this is essential to produce the terrain necessary for the rest of the therapy to evolve. Otherwise you end up killing in perpetuity. I'm happy I understand this now. I'm also looking forward to testing if this modification in terrain might render homeopathy more sustainable for me. I wonder if taking the Sanum remedy derived from malaria might help with babesia. Do you have any ideas about this?

Lastly I wanted to give you an update on my experience with binders. I'm rotating cholestyramine, chlorella, activated charcoal, and bentonite clay. I notice that if I push through the fatiguing phase my energy slowly returns over the span of a couple weeks. However if I stop the binders for even a week and then go back to them I feel absolutely drained again. It's as if the toxins have to move up from the depths, building up just under the radar, waiting for the opportunity to get dumped into the binding agents. One would certainly want to keep a steady flow for this activity and not allow a buildup just behind the scenes to develop.

So I feel I'm making progress. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. Your approach really agrees with my system.

Hope all is well.

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What would be the remedy from Sanum that would work for protozoa?

I have personally not seen homeopathy to be strong enough to help with these infections (but have seen it very effective with getting rid of poison ivy...but it was not Sanum brand. I have no personal experience with Sanum).

So, I am curious to know if there is a remedy specific for protozoa from Sanum. I have just been looking, and cannot find one from the info I have looked at in the public domain.

It looks like the Sanukehls line from Sanum would be the way to go for infection since they contain partial antigens which would seem good for training the immune system for the pathogen.

http://www.sanum.com/index.php?cPath=37&language=en

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Mentioned in a post above, lowering protein intake. While reading up on that, because amino acids help build our cells, this might be a good article to consider:


http://icmr.nic.in/ijmr/2006/august/0804.pdf

THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .

Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.

Excerpt:

" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."


- 20 pages - Full article at link (or Google the title if it does not go through).
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Geronimog, sorry I didn't answer, I'm having some tough days... And busy with another thread.

Nig and Ex (you mean, Ex from Nigersan, or Ex from another remedy?) There are many Ex remedies (that help with excretion of toxins). I suppose, Ex from Aspergilus niger?

Did that help on your spine nerves? Great!

Entire spinal nerves inflamed? See my other thread, you may find the reason why!! No kidding. I've passed through THE HEALING crisis of my spine nerves this weekend. It feels now that I have 2 kg less of weight just on my back. It was like a massive amount of toxins being pulled off by electric high frequency treatment...

I am SUSPECTING that these nerves are SO TOXIC with neurotoxins (Dr. K says these are neurotoxins: heavy metals, biotoxins from die off, chemicals like dioxins, pesticides, food preservatives, cosmetics and these toxins bind to the nerve endings probably because of electro or magnetic charges) that they can't function well.

Anyway, just move to the other thread for that.

I do not know which Sanum would test against protozoa. I used ALL of the killing Sanum, and much more than once. I just go by energy testing, and certainly, stuff like Staph, Strep, Prot always helped me immensely.

I think the one against malaria is San Brucel or something like that. Names vary a bit between Europe and the US... I remeber using it some time, but not anymore. I can't remember for what I used though.

I wonder if this was really effective against Babeisia, we would have known it... I feel that homeopathic nosodes work well for SMALLER pathogens, but work less for bigger ones. But who knows.

San. Bruc is not among my favorite Sanum, but I do not have babesia nor malaria anymore, for many years...

as for diet, you are right. No dieting, no improvements. Whatever works for you. Low ketogenic diet feels for me like dying (I feel literally my organs being CONSUMED), I lose weight VERY FAST, I feel toxic, and get extremely aggressive...

But I know some people THRIVE on it, and can keep whole candida infections dormant with it. I need the proteins and fats to fight candida, for example. Now I'm on a new energetic treatment, that I feel may work for bigger pathogens as it uses electrical currents.

it is killing my intestinal parasites, for sure. As babesia is more comparable to a parasite (due to its big size), I would give a try on the electrical currents too! Sanum though would be milder, gentler, controlable, slow step up healing (if it works for babesia).

The electrical treatment, feels as violent as Rife.

I'm on a roller coaster experiment with Tesla now, but when I stop using it, let's see what is the place for homeopathy still. I LOVE homeopathy because it is gentle. I'm doing Tesla to try to solve what I couldn't solve with homeopathy!

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TNT: as I said above, it may be Sanukehl Bruc.
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Thanks Brussels, I looked that up, and it looks like it is for brucella, which is still helpful info to me.
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I've used Sanum Bruc in the past.

I don't think it is enough to eradicate brucella or protozoa.
I had to retreat brucella with nosodes and PE1 and I'm still treating protozoa with MMS

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