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Lymetoo
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Facebook:

Magnesium Advocacy Group**

They are having a huge discussion on biofilms and magnesium.

** had to remove the link for security reasons **

[ 10-30-2013, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]

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I'm not on FB, curious what it says?

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Not sure it is OK to post someone's comments... This man is VERY knowledgeable about magnesium.. This is what he said.

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I believe Carolyn Dean, MD, ND commented on this "biofilm & Maggie" just the other day. The gist of it was total rejection of withholding Maggie due to "biofilm!"

Let's step back from this & see the forest & some trees:
o WBCs, RBCs & Platelets owe their potency to Mg-ATP...
o membrane integrity of cells, mitochondria, BBB AND the Gut rely on Maggie & her relentless effort to keep electrical potential optimal...

(Gut dysbiosis is CAUSED by Mg deficiency, written up just last year...)
o 3,751 proteins MUST have Mg to work properly...
o 700-800 enzymes, including 149 intracellular Kinase enzymes MUST have Mg to do their work...(Btw, the one other Kinase enzyme is activated by Calcium, which brings the cell to death -CaMPKII). Hmmm...

o ALL 100 Trillion cells of our body MUST have Mg complexed to ATP. Why? Because it doesn't work otherwise...
o The entire Electrolyte balance is kept that way by Mg-ATPase driven Channels, pumps & gates along the cell wall...

o DNA Repair & Regulation is enabled by optimal Mg status (DNA Ligase I, II, III AND Riboflavin, which is activated by Mg...)

o the very first step (which is rate-limiting) of the Krebs Cycle (where our ATP COMES FROM) requires the phosphorylated form of thiamine pyrophosphate (B1)! No Mg, and we go anaerobic...
o the 1st enzyme discovered to be activated by Mg -- 1928 -- was Alkaline Phosphatase -- key to optimal pH balance in the cell...

o the entire Inflammatory Cascade (SP>> TNFa >> IL1, IL6 >> Chemokines >> etc. is PREVENTED by Mg (Weglicki & Phillips, AmJrlPhysiol, 1992)

o trust me, I could go on, and on, and on... These are just the obvious headlines...
There is a raging debate in the Oncology community about whether to supplement w/ Mg or not... Total fact. So, let's use Cisplatin (most popular Chemo drug), wipe out your Mg, and wonder why the vast majority of cancer patients die, not from the treatment, but from malnutrition!

Because they lost their appetite due to the "Stress!" of the treatment.
The human body is all about balance. The most overlooked mechanism for keeping the body is Magnesium! Why?...
There ain't no cashflow in a cure...


I could be all wet here, but my read of 1,000+ articles is that a body (& its cells) deprived of energy become diseased. Period! Bar none, the most important catalyst for creating & expending energy inside the cell & inside the body is Mg++. I can see no reason to fear its effect on biofilm...

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As Mr Peabody use to say, "Sherman, lets step inside the wayback machine, and take a trip to 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue."

I'm sure that I don't have to tell you what all the experts were saying when Columbus proposed that the world was round! Yet, he dared to move forward based on what he felt was true.

Getting back to the big Mag supplementing controversy of today; Let me make it perfectly clear that no one is saying that mag isn't important, that it doesn’t play a vital role in just about every part of our bodies, because it does.

Fact: It is important. Fact: Biofilms use mag, and so do other pathogens. You should remember that if you eat a healthy diet, you will be getting mag for your body's needs. Will it be enough? If you stop supplementing and continue to go after your infections, I believe thet it will be enough. This has been my experience, and after about 5 years of stopping all mag supplements, I still don't have any twitching, or really any other problems.

Mag supps are a major stumbling block for a lot of people on this board. They continue to take them, and they continue to make little or no progress in eliminating their infections.

Another major stumbling block is the issue of fat, and do I have the Fry bug or not? I'll tell you right now that I would bet my house that at least 80% of the people that have lyme, have Protomyxoa and don't know it, or don't want to know it. And fat and mag are the things that help this bad bug to proliferate at an alarming rate.

I’ve watched this bug through the microscope for a couple of years now using live blood. I’ve watched it come out of the red blood cells, and I’ve watched it mate. From what I’ve seen in real time, and with my own eyes, I can tell you that Fat is an even bigger problem than mag supps are. This is why; it doesn’t matter what drugs kill it, because whatever those drugs are will not be able to get to it and kill it as long as you are not on a low fat diet.

Fat is a shield that protects it, along with other biofilm forming components like Mag, and keeps it from being destroyed by drugs, or the Immune sytem.

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Anything natural to break biofilms? Heard something in food to destroy?

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Ummm, I'm confused. Sigh, what else is new.
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I think systemic enzymes help break up biofilms and so do lemongrass and clove oils.

I am getting better and better since beginning a pico-ionic form of mag. No pills (of mag) ever did this for me.

All body systems are improved and inflammation is DOWN.

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I agree with Micul. I think tons of people have protomyxzoa. Mosquitoes carry it. Practically everyone has been bitten by mosquitoes. If you have proto and take mag, you won't even notice it feeding the proto. It loves it and starts growing tons of biofilm. The proto sneaks up slowly and feels just like lyme and co infections (flares). If you have no frame of reference to what it's like living without proto, you'd never ever know. No one can tell until they cut the fat/meat.

Personally, I think people don't want to change their diets any more than a diabetic who won't change it. So they choose not to believe they could possibly have it which, unfortunately, is their loss, as this is a huge key to feeling better.

If only people would try the low fat diet instead of the mag. MAG FEEDS PROTOMYXZOA. As it grows, all of your bugs and pathogens are protected. So unless you stop the mag and cut the fat, you'll never know and continue battling lyme and company.

I get mag from my food. My blood tests show I'm fine. My muscles don't twitch anymore.

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TuTu, thanks for printing that- I guess I knew anyway what it was going to say/ the debate

about whether supplementing minerals the body is/ may be deficient in verses it possibly feeding biofilm if that's an issue.

I see the same thing with vitamin D discussions, and iron supplementation if one has babesia.

Hard to say what's right and wrong for everyone- guess that's why we share our personal experiences, listen to our treating Dr.s input,

and make our own call.

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I've always taken mag but just recently ART tested positive for proto, so will be stopping it.

I do think magnessium is great if you don't have proto!

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Catgirl.. most mag testing is inadequate. You would need the RBC test for that.. not your standard test. But I am not here to convince you.

I do NOT get enough from my diet. That is quite obvious to me. I eat a very healthy diet that is full of vegetables, mostly organic.

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lymetutu -- what is the pico-ionic form?
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ReMag is a pico-ionic form. It can get into the cells ASAP.

http://drcarolyndean.com/2012/09/pico-ionic-magnesium/

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The Insanity of Avoiding Magnesium:

http://www.naturalnews.com/038088_magnesium_disease_prevention_case_history.html

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Lymetoo, I am not here to convince you either. Just to warn people that mag makes proto grow and makes everything worse. Since most people don't have a clue they have proto, it is something to seriously consider (just my opinion). I get a complete blood panel done every month.

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I hear ya!

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[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:

There is a raging debate in the Oncology community about whether to supplement w/ Mg or not... Total fact. So, let's use Cisplatin (most popular Chemo drug), wipe out your Mg, and wonder why the vast majority of cancer patients die, not from the treatment, but from malnutrition!

Because they lost their appetite due to the "Stress!" of the treatment.
The human body is all about balance. The most overlooked mechanism for keeping the body is Magnesium! Why?...
There ain't no cashflow in a cure...
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I hold a lot of respect for you, Lymetoo, but you are way off base with this statement. I have administered Cisplatin many times. Usually the patient has a drop in their CBC (red blod cells, white blood cells, platelets, etc...) around day ten to fourteen.

This is because good cells are killed as well as the intended cancer cells.

In addition to running daily CBC's, daily BMP labs are drawn as well. This will inform the medical team if any electrolytes: potassium, sodium, chloride, calcium, glucose, and of course magnesium are within normal levels or not.

If the magnesium levels are low, it is very, very easy to replace them by an IV dose.

If the patient has "lost their appetite" they can be started on IV therapy named TPN, total parenteral nutrition. No two TPN IV solutions are alike as they are tailor made for each individual by the pharmacy to include all needed vitamins, minerals, electrolytes, and lipids (fats).

I respect your opinions but just couldn't let that misinformation go by without a response.

Take care,
TheWino

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Actually, that was a quote of Dr Carolyn Dean's... not mine. Either way, I'm not offended.

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TPN is NOT comprehensive nutrition. It is missing many trace minerals...especially with the shortages in IV minerals...

On the fat & magnesium thing:

I have been on a low fat, low magnesium diet, and it da#n near killed me more than once (yes, had the gut shut down more than once, couldn't eat or drink or take any supplements for weeks at a time).

Now, I'm on TPN with zero fats. The Lipids contain soy and I am so allergic to it that the lipids kill my liver (liver enzyms spike well over 1000 with just a few lipid infusions).

But even with no fats, I am still having more and more problems with my body. These are problems like fingernails falling apart, hair loss, skin fragility, muscle wasting, etc. - things that go away when I can take my supplements and herbs (which are loaded with magnesium).

I don't know if I have Protomyxzoa or not. Probably do. But I also know what it feels like to be without the fat or the magnesium, and I know if I stay on this program of no fat/very little magnesium (in the TPN), I will die.

I need the fats and the magnesium.

YMMV.

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