2roads
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As some of you know, I have been in complete disarray over my son who took a tincture that was very toxic to him.
It's been almost two years, as the damage is unfolding, and I am just trying to figure out what to do.
I keep reading about detoxing, and infra red therapy. I don't think that's for us, but I do think sweating out toxins may be a good thing.
Granted, he exercises with his exracurricular activities, but doesn't really get a good sweat.
So, we joined a gym locally, and we go together three times a week for 20 minutes in the sauna. We sweat and then he gets out and gets a shower.
I keep him well hydrated, and he gets a protein bar afterward. Sometimes he works out on the equipment before we sweat.
Can anyone see any problem with this? He's 11. I don't want it interfering with endocrine development as puberty is around the corner. Not sure if high heat for an hour a week would do that.
But, as I have made some poor choices before, I will put this out to the forum.
I have noticed one issue with myself. I took the tincture as well but in higher doses. It dried out my eyes. I have lots of crusties throughout the day. So, the dry heat makes them burn a little more. I'm not sure if it will help the eyes or make them worse.
At least I can relate, as he has similar eye issues, but maybe not as bad.
If anyone has any other detox therapies that are safe that we can do, I'm listening.
Thanks for any and all input.
Day by day,
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2 of my LLMD told me to look into infrared saunas. You should start slow like 10 minutes. You could try going on group on or something for discounts. Over here I found a couple for 20-30 dollars a session. I haven't been consistent but will try to be. Dr H., De F. and my doc say it's a very good way to detox.
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2roads
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Hi Mig,
I'm gonna stick with the heat saunas.
I think it best to be conventional with my son.
Any thoughts on conventional?
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I can't comment on sauna for children, but I do believe other cultures utilize it much more than we do. Maybe research Finnish or other Scandinavian cultures and sauna.
I can only share my experience. Sweating as detox is a lifesaver for me.
I use infrared, but I also like conventional. If I go too long without it, I feel terrible. I have two bad detox genes.
My results are cleared brain fog, reduced muscle stiffness, and increased energy. It also makes the awful flu-like feeling go away.
In the microscopy thread here, it was noted that blood smears post sauna showed fewer organisms and less general debris. So sauna also appears to reduce pathogen load and blood coagulation.
I sound like an advertisement, but I don't think I could live without regular sauna time.
Can you chart any changes you notice in your son, or that he reports?
I think this is a very smart choice to help your son.
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Thanks for the input lax mom and boxermom.
I don't want to overdue it, and ruin him further. I'm trying to help not harm.
He sweated a lot the first time, but we were in a half hour. So the next time I cut it down to 20 minutes.
He seems to tolerate 15 minutes, and the last five are hard because he's really hot.
So, I just welcome any thoughts on potential risks for kids that I did not know or haven't thought about, and how effecive people feel conventional is for detox.
I did a search and gleaned some info, such as glycerine soapto wash with afterward.
There seems to be several opinions on dry vs infrared. Not gonna do infrared though.
I wish I had a moist sauna. It would be better for our eyes.
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tell me about it
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I don't know about conventional heat saunas-but I use an infrared sauna and it really helps with joint pain.
I tolerate heat well also, I won't go into how long I stay in there or how high I crank the heat...
Coconut water may be better than straight water.
If one sweats out too many salts, then the water cannot be absorbed.
Coconut water is how I stay hydrated when I am sauna-ing.
Not sure what the convention is for kids. I know they can't handle heat as well as an adult.
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2roads
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ye, I realise that after we were in there a half hour.
So, we scaled it down.
Not sure if I am pursuing this correctly.
Hope to hear more input.
Thanks GretaM
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I have a fir sauna and love it; it has helped my MCS so much.
One integrative doctor I went too uses fir saunas for his autistic patients (kids) to help them detox.
Not sure how long, settings etc for kids. You could google and see.
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I don't know about kids - experienced folks will need to let you know about that.
Like Linky, I have used an FIR sauna to detox from MCS. I have sat in a portable FIR tent every 5 days for 2 years now. Takes me around 22-30 minutes to break a sweat, then I stay in another 5 or 10 minutes, then shower off warm and cool.
This practice has slowly reduced my chem sensitivity.
My Lyme doc also recommended that I take a small scoop of Takesumi activated charcoal with a fatty meal 2x/day to also help with detoxing.
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Our LLMD has just recommended saunas. And like you, we're leery of the more intense FIR and want to stick with the heat-only kind. Be careful with the dryness, though--can't you pour water to generate steam?
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thanks linky,robin, and anthropologist.
It's interesting that saunas are used for autistic patients.
I can't pour water on the rocks because it will "trip the breaker". That's what the sign says anyway.
My eyes feel better today.
I definitely think we need down days to reestablish body stabilisation.
I've accepted that it's going to be a long and slow process.
I just hope the gym works with us, as there is a sign on the door that says older then 18.
I only really joined for the heat. They said it would be okay when I did. So, hopefully they'll be true to their word.
I also read in the past posts that it's good to work up a sweat first, and then go in. This way it detoxes more core.
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I don't want to give any advice about children, these are just some thoughts:
When I do hot Epsom salt baths in my jetted tub to sweat, I always make sure to have water to drink next to me.
I do a light body brush before I start- I have soft bristled hand held brushes left over from when my D was in Occupational Therapy
for sensory processing disorder, and I used the brushes on her skin as part of that-they are soft bristled, you can push hard, made to be impossible to hurt,
opens up pores, circulation.
Sometimes, after sweating, I need to lie down for a few minutes- not in a hurry. Maybe you could gently shower him there when you are done,
find a place to sit for a few minutes, wrap him up and hold him. Does he like gentle massage? My D does- organic cream or oil, I rub her feet, back- really calms her down-
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I don't know about kids but I use the sauna at my gym and here are my thoughts:
- I couldn't handle doing it after a workout.
- Start slow and work up. Currently, I do 10-15 minutes, five min break, then 10-15 more. When I start to feel too hot, I leave even if it is less than my usual. So I would let him leave when he is ready.
- I only do one to two times per week. I would start with once per week, then start to add in more gradually. Don't want to overdo it.
- On other days, I use epsom salt foot soaks or baths, dry brush, yoga.
- for the sauna, drink lots and lots of water!
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2roads
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thanks surprise and WPinVA for your insight.
He doesn't always workout before hand. Usually it's just a few fun interludes with the machines, like rowing or biking or walking.
There a punching bag there he uses occassionlly with his gloves.
I need to get the glycerine soap, and also put the Epson salt baths back into our schedule. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm afraid if I start too slow, it will be a waist of time. I really should've started this 2 years ago when all this happened. I'll see how he feels today, and if 20 min is too hot, I will scale down to 15.
I would like to remain at 3 days a week though.
I do push water for him.
He drinks a lot anyway. He always has.
So, I'll be sure to keep that going.
what a mess.........
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What was tincture as this might effect method. How about IV glutathione or lipisomal oral glutathione
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Saunas are good. Just keep him well nourished. They also don’t have to be real hot to be effective, especially infrared saunas. Wish I had one.
I am doing ozone saunas as part of my lyme protocol. My doctor uses ozone to treat most of his Lyme patients and he has good results with it.
He does Major Autohemotherapy which is costly to do enough treatments to make a difference, that’s where they take some blood out, ozonated it and put it back in.
So because of limited funds and because I live 100 miles from the clinic I'm on the do it yourself plan.
Ozone has been fully researched in Germany and about 7,000 physicians use it there, and many more thousands around the world. It is part of their lyme protocol there also.
Ozone is one of the most powerful ways to detox chemicals and pathogenic microbes.
Ozone saunas are very detoxifying and right now I'm in the middle of the classic ozone rash, which it part of the detoxification process when using ozone in the sauna. Toxins come out of your skin making the rash. Its suppose to pass in time as you continue to detoxify.
I did a series of ozone saunas 7 years ago before I had Lyme and I barely got a rash at all. This time it is much much more but tolerable. Im wondering if the Lyme toxins are coming out of the skin?
This following youtube video is from a woman who has used Ozone to become symptom free of Lyme. She has another video on youtube that I couldn’t find this evening that states she continues to do well. She didn’t use the cure word, but she says she now leads a normal life.
The bulk of her treatment was ozone saunas as the main application along with ear insufflation.
This is what I recommend regarding saunas. Ozone puts some real detox punch into your time and energy spent. My set up is similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gxegHfXfOEPosts: 803 | From USA | Registered: Oct 2013
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I have to be careful because it is not me, but my child.
The tincture was supposed to be GSE, but I fear it wasn't pure.
He had a rash from it, but he hasn't gotten one since the saunas.
How can you do the ozone sauna without the doctor carmen? Maybe I just need to read.
So much to consider......
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GSE in the brand of Nutrabiotic is the superior product in my opinion.
To do ozone saunas with out a doctor assit you have to be willful!
You can purchase sauna tents on the net. You can purchase used medical grade oxygen conentrators to connect to the ozone machine to make the ozone.
If you really want to do it call Paul at this website. He is very knowlegable and he sells the right equipment. He will guide you in the right direction. IMHO I wouldnt bother if it wasnt medical grade unless I was just ozonating water. Rectal insufflaitions are powerful medicine, although I dont know if your son would comply. They should be done with medical grade, but still some people dont. http://www.ozonatedoilonline.com/home.html He can be very helpful.
I have a longevity medical grade ozonator for which I paid 2600 for 6 or 7 years ago. They now have a model for under 2,000. Not everyone uses a medical grade for saunas. Search youtube "ozone for lyme" and "Ozone for sauna"
I would watch all the films on youtube before I did anything and I post about ozone on this site so check those threads out.
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that wasn't the product used, but no sense in rehashing.
Thanks for the info on the ozone tents.
I think I'm gonna stick with the heated sauna for now carmen.
I've already gone beyond my comfort level with other things and been burned.
Not that this is the case with your product, just really cautious now.
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