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gambler
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I was stung by a honeybee two weeks ago, it swelled up the next day and was a bit red, but a week later it was more swollen and looked like a bull's eye rash. The rash is finally getting better, but I feel worse than I've felt in a long time. My entire right side is weak.

Yes, I know some people are using bee therapy for borrelia because it kills it within seconds in a petri dish. I'm asking if it is possible for a bee to have borrelia, the research I've done, says they don't have a gut that holds the borrelia. But other research says the mites that live off the bees have borrelia so the bees do too.

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I had EM rashes pop up from any type of insect bite this summer.

My doc said they are satellite EM rashes, not from the insects that bit me, but from my body's response to the sting, coupled with the borrelia in my tissues.

He said he sees it all the time in his patients.

But that is an excellent point about the mites on bees carrying borrelia! I will have to read more about that [Smile]

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Oh, that makes sense (it totally doesn't but it makes sense in Lymeland).

The thought of being infected again is enough to call the whole thing off, I feel better thinking that it's just the same old indefatigable infection.

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That makes sense to me, Greta.

Hang in there, gambler!

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quote:
Originally posted by GretaM:


My doc said they are satellite EM rashes, not from the insects that bit me, but from my body's response to the sting, coupled with the borrelia in my tissues.

He said he sees it all the time in his patients.


Thanks for this explanation! I got an EM rash (finally fading) two weeks ago due to wasp sting.

Does the Lyme mean that I am more allergic to wasps than before, or should I just expect more rashes than normal?

There was virtually no pain after the initial sting (which hurt!!), just some itchiness the next day.

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Lyme can trigger mast cell activation disorder. Might want to scope that out too.

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wow, good luck.. who knows what is possible really

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this disease sucks.
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Tincup
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A high percentage of people with chronic Epstein Barr become allergic to mosquito bites.

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I thought everyone was allergic to mosquito bites. They are red, and they itch. What do you man by allergic Tincup? I am interested.

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my DH and one DD have had mosquito bites that got as large as 4"x4"!! this was only in Virginia.

is this what you mean by allergy? or maybe that is when they became infected with their lyme ?

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I started this post and got distracted! Sorry!

Allergic reaction - somewhat explained below at link- can be much worse than the typical redness and slight itching most experience- to the point of anaphalatic shock and everything in between.

LisaK- I have too many reports of mosquito bites causing an EM rash and Lyme symptoms- in those who didn't previously have Lyme- to believe the mosquitoes can not transmit it.

The ONLY reason it is said they don't transmit it is because there are no IDSA/CDC studies proving it- or even looking at the possibility.

Example- Went to health department many moons ago- early on in this nightmare. Getting ready to do a program and had dropped off more Lyme literature for them to pass around.

As I was leaving I asked the very arrogant and difficult ID person if LD could be sexually transmitted- knowing eventually someone would ask me that question. They said "no".

As I got to the door I turned around and said- "why can't it be?" (I really didn't know.)

They said- because there are no studies showing it can be.

I got out to my car before I realized how stupid that answer was... and it has been the IDSA/CDC's mainstream thinking pattern since then.

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http://www.bloodjournal.org/content/98/10/3173?sso-checked=true

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yes, I question A LOT - to the point that no one likes me. ha. and one really common answer by the lower ends of the work chain always use something like that to answer. after asking in 3-4 different ways and still getting no where I always now ask for manager who can usually explain after one or 2 quesions.

not everyone is smart you know. it just is that way. some people cannot 'get ' some things because their brains just arent' able to grasp it. aw. I feel sorry for them, although, when my lyme was the worst I had an IQ of like 25 and I was completely happy and at peace.... so .... good for them.

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