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Jessig627
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Has anyone taken Tamiflu while it treatment?

My son was just diagnosed with the flu, and yes, he had the vaccine but got it anyway. :-(

His pediatrician recommended that I take Tamiflu as his caregiver given that I'm exhibiting some small symptoms of flu, outside of my typical lyme symptoms.

I haven't had a flu vaccine but I was always one of those people that never caught the flu before.

I'm going to call my LLMD in the morning but I wanted to see if anyone has experienced anything similar.

All thoughts and experiences are appreciated!

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My son had the flu and took Tamiflu. He was over it in 3 days.

I took the chance because a baby one county above me had died that weekend of the flu.

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Well, he's not technically in active treatment. He's only on supplements to maintain. So, my advice may not be much help. But, he had no problems with the med.

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I think LDM-100 (Lomatium), Allicin, Andrographis, Elderberry Extract are all better options. IMO.

A LL ND, or even a regular ND (naturopathic doctor) or acupuncturist would be better able to guide you regarding flu support and direct antiviral targeting.

Tamiflu was originally developed from one particular strain of Star Anise - and the pharmaceutical company bought up all the trees, very nearly so it could no longer be available as an "herb" to just anyone. Although, Tamiflu is not an herbal extract, it's now synthesized in the lab.

And it's not all that impressive, really. I spent hours studying this a couple years ago but my study notes were lost when my MAC crashed.
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LDM-100 (Lomatium dissectum extract)


search out ELDERBERRY EXTRACT
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Topic: Garlic vs Allicin


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ANDROGRAPHIS paniculata - LINKS SET


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BERBERINE – LINKS SET


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OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT – LINKS
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ISATIS is another very important herb for support during "flu season."

search at: www.itmonline.org


http://www.acuatlanta.net/seven-forests-isatis-6-100-count-p-17552.html?mclick=search

Seven Forests ISATIS 6
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LICORICE ROOT LINKS

Note: an excellent cough drop. Helps nourish lungs and calm stomach. Good for adrenals.
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HIMALAYAN SALT PIPE

Carol in PA introduced me to this method. I've not tried it yet but it remains in my awareness. Just search that term at Google Advanced Search.

Maybe Carol will add to this.
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And avoid acetaminophen, it can "clog" lungs, and the liver, and all cells in the body, really, as it blocks glutathione from being able to enter the cells to get rid of cellular waste and let in the new good stuff our cells all need.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/health/evidence-mounts-linking-acetaminophen-and-asthma.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

December 2011

Studies Suggest an Acetaminophen-Asthma Link

Excerpt:

. . . Even a single dose of acetaminophen can reduce the body’s levels of glutathione, a peptide that helps repair oxidative damage that can drive inflammation in the airways, researchers have found. . . .


http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8962056-tiny-overdoses-of-tylenol-can-add-up-to-deadly-damage

Tiny overdoses of Tylenol can add up to deadly damage

By Rachel Rettner 11-22-11

Taking even slightly too much Tylenol over a period of several days can lead to an overdose with deadly consequences, a new study says. . . .
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A couple specific HOMEOPATHICS can also be very helpful.

muco ciccinum -- and other one similar to that.

by UNDA.
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To help calm nausea and vomiting. From my file notes, a while back:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=ginger%2C%20nausea

PubMed search of medical abstracts:

ginger, nausea - 117 abstracts


http://www.botanical-online.com/medicinalsgengibreangles.htm

Properties of Ginger (scroll all the way down)


http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/ginger-rootrhizome-zingiber-officinalis.html

GINGER ROOT - a chapter from “The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook” (Tillotson)


http://healthblog.ivlproducts.com/blog/healthyliving/ginger-natural-digestive-relief

Ginger: Natural Digestive Relief


www.vitacost.com - www.iherb.com - etc.

Search: GINGER ROOT Capsules

Best to get ORGANIC. Top brands are Eclectic Institute and Oregon Mountain Harvest. Those are also in many natural foods markets.
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One big problem with any acute "flu" can be the cytokine "storm" - how this may help:


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STINGING NETTLE LEAF (not root) - Links set


The herb, STINGING NETTLE may serve to compensate for the reaction by calming the the cytokine storm that is often part of a herx reaction.

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When buying any support products, be sure they are free of junk. Not all brands are good quality. Some of the code words to look for in supplements and teas, not just in food packages:

First, avoid all coloring that may be added. And generally avoid flavor enhancements unless from the real food that would provide such flavor.

Sugar? Of course avoid added sugar and always avoid any corn syrups or added corn in any way.


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Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all).
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VITAMIN D, C, etc.

I'm no expert on this aspect, though I hope others will add to this.

MUSHROOMS GALORE

I do know that mushrooms contain a good amount of vitamin D and they are delicious. It's good to have very flavorful foods at such a time.

Books:

THE CURE IS IN THE KITCHEN

A SPOONFUL OF GINGER

and

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936608677/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1936608677&linkCode=as2&tag=glufrecat-20

LADLED: NOURISHING SOUPS FOR ALL SEASONS

- by Kimberly Harris (December 18, 2012)

over 50 reader reviews, a near perfect composite 5 star rating.

One reader notes: "Conducive to almost all specialty diets out there! GAPS, Paleo, vegetarian, gluten free, dairy free, real food......you name it, you will find a lot on this book for you."
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Jessig,

I hope you don't mind that I ran away with your question. I've been meaning to compile something like this so thought you might want it, too.

Hope it helps -- and to save for reference, send to others, etc.

I hope others will add to this, as well.

MASSAGE, MUSIC, LAUGHTER, LOVE - "unplugging" and dimming lights early in evening . . . also key elements at this time (and all times).
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I'd like to chime in (thanks, Keebler, for all the very good information!) and recommend Oscillococcinum, which has worked for me in the past. It needs to be taken at the onset of symptoms (just follow directions on package). It shortened, even stopped, the flu from becoming full-blown!

Olive Leaf Extract is very good. Seagate brand has the most oleuropein in it. Oleuropein is the active ingredient found in olive leaves which is anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal.

Read about it here: www.seagateproducts.com

Btw - I am not affiliated in any way with this company, just a consumer who is also trying to help others.

You might also want to read Dr. Morton Walker's book entitled, "Olive Leaf Extract". Check your local library or by it used like I did for a couple of cents on Amazon.

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I just got over the flu very quickly after taking Tamiflu. I'm so glad I took it!

My LLMD had given me a prescription to have on hand because last year I had a terrible relapse after getting the flu.

I've also heard good things about Oscillococcinum.

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Tamiflu is good for many years, up to six, I think after expiration date. I have some Tamiflu, but never used it. I'm keeping it just in case because I relapse after flu shots.
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Thank you all so much!

My sons doc wants me to take it as well since I'm his caregiver.

A few hours ago I felt crummy.

Now I feel like I went 5 rounds with Mike Tyson! I hurt everywhere! Especially my neck, shoulders and arms.

I will see what the LLMD says in the AM.

If I would have known it was okay, I would have taken it from the pediatrician. At least now I know! :-)

Stay healthy everyone!

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Just a few articles that come up with a search, as you weigh all information and reports of those using this.


http://www.naturalnews.com/Tamiflu.html

Tamiflu news, articles and information at Natural News.com


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/28/science-behind-tamiflu.aspx

Science Behind Tamiflu Recommendations “Missing in Action” - by Joseph Mercola - November 28, 2012

further down in the article, see: What You Need to Know About Tamiflu


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/03/15/tamiflu-s-effects-on-your-brain.aspx

Tamiflu's Effects On Your Brain - by Joseph Mercola - March 15, 2008
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It's always good to see the official website and at least one other pharmacy site with patient information.

www.tamiflu.com/hcp/prescribing/hcp_prescribe_adults_safety.jsp

Tamiflu website


www.rxlist.com/tamiflu-drug/patient-images-side-effects.htm

Tamiflu - Patient Information
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Other considerations:

http://www.cchrflorida.org/blog/warning-tamiflu-causes-mental-health-issues/

Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Florida (CCHR Florida)

Warning: Tamiflu Causes Mental Health Issues

- December 7, 2012

Excerpt:

. . . Tamiflu causes delusions, hallucinations, suicide and psychosis. With potentially such serious adverse side effects, it should have an FDA warning but it does not. . . .


. . . The main point here is that you need to do your homework when it comes to drugs. The FDA, the CDC and the drug manufacturers are not the sources to go to for the full true story regarding the drug in question. . . .


-- [Much more specific detail in the article and there are numerous links listed at the end for further reading.]
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/11/influenza.children.tamiflu.relenza/index.html?eref=ed

Study: Tamiflu may do children more harm than good

CNN Europe - August 11, 2009

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Treating flu-stricken children with anti-viral medication including Tamiflu and Relenza could do more harm than good, a new report has warned . . . .
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http://www.amazon.com/Herbal-Antivirals-Remedies-Resistant-Infections/dp/1612121608/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390589816&sr=1-1&keywords=Natural+Antivirals%2C+Buhner

Herbal Antivirals: Natural Remedies for Emerging & Resistant Viral Infections Paperback

- by Stephen Harrod Buhner - 2013
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Topic: RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS

LL Naturopathic links here, too.
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COLLOIDAL SILVER is also a consideration.
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http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/PediatricAdvisoryCommittee/UCM302462.pdf

Department of Health and Human Services - Internal Memorandum

Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate) Pediatric Safety Update: Background Summary and Review of Clinical Review Team Activities, 2007 to Present

April 19, 2012

Excerpts [note: AE = adverse effect]


. . . These skin reactions appeared unlikely to be related to influenza illness and the Tamiflu label was revised later that year to include precautionary language regarding severe skin reactions. . . .

. . . A number of additional steps were taken to evaluate a possible causal association between Tamiflu and the neuropsychiatric AEs. . . .

. . . Another 32 cases of neuropsychiatric AEs were reported in the pediatric age group including cases of delirium, abnormal behavior, hallucinations, convulsions, encephalitis, and others. . . .

. . . An additional 5 pediatric deaths were reported from November, 2005, to November, 2006, including 2 U.S. cases. One of the U.S. deaths occurred in an 8 year old many months after a severe episode of Stevens-Johnson syndrome

and the other occurred in an otherwise healthy 3 year old who developed “severe strep pneumonia” with subsequent respiratory and cardiac arrest.

Three Japanese patients’ deaths were related to apparent self-injurious behavior (e.g., falling/jumping from balcony, running into traffic) in adolescents shortly after receiving their first dose of Tamiflu.

These reports focused attention on the neuropsychiatric AEs particularly events described as abnormal behavior or delirium.

The updated review of neuropsychiatric AEs identified 129 AERS reports in all age groups (range 1 ½ to 90 years) in the intervening year. . . .

. . . Delirium with prominent behavioral disturbances – 60 total cases (1 U.S.)

· Suicidal events – 6 (1 U.S.)
· Panic attack – 3
· Delusions – 3

· Convulsions – 12 (1 U.S.)
· Depressed level of consciousness – 4 (1 U.S.)
· Loss of consciousness – 4 (1 U.S)
· Miscellaneous – 9 (1 U.S.)

. . .

Summary

Cases of neuropsychiatric and other AEs continue to be reported in association with Tamiflu but the increased number of reports during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic appears to be commensurate with the increased use of the drug during that period.

Although rates of specific events can not be accurately determined from passively collected AERS data, serious AEs occur uncommonly based on estimates of drug usage. . . .
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"Pill Curing" is excellent to ward off vomiting.

But, it should be the newer version without acetaminophen.

Of course, there may be times when we need to have whatever is causing the uproar just get on out of us . . . but if not, and if taken at that first wave (we all know it, that feeling like "uh-oh", Pill Curing can really turn that around for the better.

Especially good to calm dry heaves. I swallow some of the dose and let the rest melt in my mouth for faster action.

The original brand contains acetaminophen and that, IMO, should never be taken, especially when ill. It blocks glutathione in all cells in the body. And can damage the liver &/or ears with just one dose for some folks.

Here is a formula based on "Pill Curing" but without acetaminophen:

http://www.acuatlanta.net/pine-mountain-kang-ning-pian-120-count-p-25927.html

(by ITM, same good folks - based in Portland, OR - who make Seven Forests and White Tiger formulas)

Pine Mountain KANG NING PIAN ( also known as: Chrysanthemum and Ginger formula)

Details on p. 225 of Bag Of Pearls, from ITM: www.itmonline.org

All naturopathic doctors are familiar with this brand and most should be familiar with this formula or offer advice for something more specific to each person's needs
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Mushrooms are excellent immune support & oh, ever so tasty!

http://www.mushroomfestival.org/mushroom-soup-cook-off-2

Amateur Mushroom Soup Cook-Off


GINGER CAPSULES and ginger sauteed in with veggies can aid digestion and add fabulous flavor.

Books:

THE CURE IS IN THE KITCHEN

A SPOONFUL OF GINGER

and

http://www.amazon.com/Ladled-Nourishing-Soups-All-Seasons/dp/1936608677/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1412027648&sr=1-1&keywords=ladled+nourishing+soups+for+all+seasons

LADLED: NOURISHING SOUPS FOR ALL SEASONS

- by Kimberly Harris (December 18, 2012)

over 50 reader reviews, a near perfect composite 5 star rating.

One reader notes: "Conducive to almost all specialty diets out there! GAPS, Paleo, vegetarian, gluten free, dairy free, real food......you name it, you will find a lot on this book for you."

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Have on hand to make a gruel and get some nutrients if stomach is touchy:

Quinoa Flakes

Slippery Elm bark powder

Greens powder - better if you have your own juicer

Coconut "flour" - just finely ground coconut, nothing else in it -- just add water and make a gruel of sorts . . . it can put some kind of food in in a pinch

Chicken broth in freezer. Keep a supply so that you never run out. Small glass jars are good for a condensed broth.

Foods that can be "blenderized" according to whatever blender model you have.

Note: it took me a very long time to figure out that broth made from rotisserie chickens just was not as rich as made from chickens I baked myself. I think a lot of the good juices run out when they are in the rotisserie at the store.
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LymeToo just posted this in another thread:

Tamiflu has its own dangers:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/07/recommended-tamiflu-has-flawed-results.aspx

Tamiflu: Doctor Outraged After Recommending This Drug

February 07, 2012
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_WfitJohU

The First Thing to do When a Cold or Flu Strikes

Dr. Joseph Mercola - Oct. 2011 - 12-minute video at YouTube
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Coincidentally, I was at a Christmas party tonight, and had an "off the record" discussion with an immunologist about Tamiflu.

His take was that it is a heavily promoted drug due to political/financial reasons, but is not proven to shorten the flu by any more than 4 hours (not days), has myriad possible side effects...and not worth the risk.

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Septic Shock - Links; Discussion

Cytokine Storm detail - this is the where a flu or other infections can take a very dangerous turn. What to know, what helps.
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