Rumigirl
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My doc rx'd Ivermectin (Stromectol) 6 mg for one dose every two weeks. I don't know what the usual dosage and frequency is, but I know that it is usually dosed far more frequently.
I will have my third visit with him on Wednesday. I'm on quite a number of abx, tinidazole, etc. I know that he is building me up slowly on the different abx and dosages, so as to not slam me too hard.
What is the usal dosage and frequency, knowing, of course, that it varies, according to the patient?
And what are the usual side-effects/herxes to watch out for?
Also, what do you normally pay for it? Or do you have a cheaper source? I originally paid $40 for 4 pills!!! (Didn't reallize it until my husband picked it up for me). Now I will pay $21 for 4 pills, if he rx's the same amount per month. Thank you!
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My LLND has me taking the 3 mg tablet twice per day, three days per week. I know that Klinghardt uses much higher dosages (48 mg per day?) every day for a couple of weeks in his parasite protocol.
I paid about $20 for 100 tablets but I got them from someone I know in India. It's ridiculous the markup on certain medications in this country!
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Technically it is supposed to be dosed by weight.
Hubby weighed around 150 pounds. I miscalculated and instead of giving him 12 mg daily gave him 15 or 18 mg daily. He took it for 4 months straight which is a very long time.
The cost is why we bought the horse paste from tractor Supply even though hubby had insurance.
I can't prove that it works on babs, but I do think it helps if added to other babs meds.
Hubby had already been on a very aggressive babs treatment protocol for 10 months when we added in that med so for him it didn't really cause herxes.
As to side effects he said it made his muscles feel funny for an hour or so after he took it. He took it with a teaspoon of almond butter right before bed.
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Rumigirl
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Thank you Polka and Bea. I wonder what dosage and frequency I should ask for? I guess either 3 days per week, or better, daily. Does anyone know what the dosage is per kilogram or pound?
Clearly, I need more than has been rx'd so far. I do know that he has been slow to ramp me up on stuff, so I don't get slammed too hard with herxes. Actually, the worst thing so far has been terrible migraines from increased intracranial hypertension from the doxy.
Ivermectin has also been used for Protozoa Rheumatica, I believe.
Where else have you gotten it less expensively? I guess the horse paste. So how do you figure the dosage with that? And how bad is the taste? Not that I'm not experienced with all kinds of bad tastes with meds/supps.
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up for more suggestions as to dosage or dosage per kilogram/pound.
Also where you got it to make it cheaper
And how to tell the dosage if you take the horse paste. Thank you!
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When I started ivermectin two years ago, I had a lot of trouble finding out how to take it so I winged it on my own. Dr. F was prescribing it daily according to some of his patients, so I took it daily for two months. Then I began to get headaches from it and my eyes became more irritated and blood shot.
I found out recently that you should pulse it because it can build up and become toxic. If I were doing it over again, I would never take it every single day. I think 3-4 days on and 3-4 days off would be best. That was for protomxzoa so if you are treating something else, I don't know. You dose it according to weight. I took 12 mg.
When I saw Dr. F I told him most of my protomyxzoa symptoms were gone (I was experiencing bartonella) and he told me to continue taking 12 mg ivermectin once a week.
Stromectol is outrageously expensive especially when ivermectin is the same thing and you can get at least 7 doses for $2. It tastes horrible so I sandwiched it in yogurt. You can't get an accurate dodge unless you squirt it all out and measure it. I was giving myself way to much in the beginning trying to use the measurement on the side of the syringe - but I had dramatic improvement!
When I got sick of my yogurt sandwiches, I bought stromectol from India and it seemed just fine but I can't swear there was not something else in it. I decided to just get a script and pay for it because I only need to take it once a week.
Ivermectin is "my drug of choice". I love it. I was so convinced it was the cure for me that I got the wild idea to take it with LipoPhos EDTA and grapefruit juice one day and my eyes nearly fell out. They were literally blood red. A rare side effect is hemorrhage around the cornea and I looked pretty horrible. It all healed up just fine but you don't want to do that!
COme to think of it, it could be I have had this bartonella all along and my eyes got worse when I suppressed the PR because that was allowing the bartonella to be more active. The NP says it goes dormant. Hummm
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Interesting neff-I love ivermectin too but when I stop it, I get sick again. IT takes away ALL my remaining symptoms. I'm frustrated at this point and not sure what to do next. Are you staying on Ivermectin once weekly forever?
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I have been on ivermectin over a year about three times a week with no problem. MY ASTHMA and breathing problems are GONE!! The herxes were hellish at first. I think it may well hit many pathogens - possibly lyme or babs ( since my breathing is better. )
I can now walk 2 miles every evening . I have a long way to go, but I am CERTAIN parasites are a problem - which explains all of the ABX failures.
Neff, I recently started taking MSM ( sulfur powder ) for hair and joints. The slightest amount almost KILLS ME!!
I am wondering if the sulfur kills parasites and babs , maybe lyme? Why ? I had a strange skin parasite , scabies , 2 years ago . The only thing that killed the invisible monsters was sylfur powder applied in a cream on my skin.
I would love to know if MSM ( sulphur ) causes others to feel a massive die off . This could be extremely USEFUL!!! Please consider trying it and sharing your results here. My gut tells me that this beneficial powder ( which does not cause normal people to herx ) is killing pathogens like lyme or parasites or babs. That is just a hypothesis , but I can barely stand up from the massive die off and have terrible chills - every time I take it . It seems to potentiate my ivermectin.
You can do research and read reviews of MSM at iherb or Amazon . It is used for collagen production for skin and joints . Either the sulfur is killing pathogens, or it is destroying biofilm. If you try it do not start out with more than 1/4 tsp or you may feel like a train ran over you .
I would really appreciate any feedback as this could help others if pathogens are dying. MSM is CHEAP and very beneficial.
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That is interesting that MSM is so helpful for you. It doesn't affect me one way or the other.
If you have protomyxzoa what helps me the most is LipoPhos EDTA to bind with the heavy metals and degrade the biofilm binding with magnesium and iron. The liposome gets the EDTA inside the biofilm where it can work better.
Another big help is fat binder made from prickly pear cactus. Proactol is one brand and the other one is XLS Medical. I can get my fat extremely low using these. Then the liposomes provide essential fats needed by the cells and it is carrying killers.
I know those two things have kept the PR under control without having to use stromectol. Bartonella is in the forefront right now and maybe when that is subdued the PR will erupt again. I hope not.
I am also taking liposomal vitamin C and just started liposomal glutathione.
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Nefferdun, Do you make the liposomal EDTA or glutathione yourself?
Can liposomes be easily made? I have read others state they made liposomal artimisinin. I would like to know how it is done .
Why would you choose liposomal EDTA over EDTA capsules? What is the advantage?
If you want to stay on ivermectin you can also consider using it topically . It still gets in your system and it is used topically in different preparations .
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Wow, thank you, neff and Ms dixie!
ms dixie, can you say more about the topical use of ivermectin? Have you done it? how do you know that it gets in your system that way? And how do you use it, do you use the horse paste? I assume so. But as neff said, how do you figure out how much you are using?
My doc has only rx'd 6 mg of stromectol every 2 weeks(!!). he doesn't want me to increase it, because I am doing a lot of meds, and I'm already slammed with herxes. So maybe for now I should honor his opinion. I just wonder though if I wouldn't be better off if I slowly increased the amount and/or the frequency.
I also want to do EDTA, both to get the biofilm and because I have very high levels of lead, and still mercury. But again, he doesn't want me to do that now either for the same reason. Arghh! Sometimes hard to know if he is right to wait, or not.
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Liposomal encapsulated technology is the cutting edge delivery method for EDTA, vitamin C, glutathione and I am sure a lot of other herbs and tinctures.
I got a book about how to make liposomal vitamin C and was using it for awhile. I bought LypoSpheric because it is thicker and easier for me to swallow.
I will post instructions how to do it. I think someone else did this too but I couldn't find it.
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Yes, the ivermectin worked through the skin for me. I used the Durvet brand and applied it to scabies I got on a vacation. I herxed! It sure worked for me. Talk to your doctor .
Many drugs are delivered ( like hormones ) topically . I think it is reasonable and I herxed a lot !
I also read a post about a lady who made her own EDTA supppositories to replicate the $$$$ Deetroxamin . She used 2 EDTA capsules and mixed with coconut oil and froze in the freezer ( shaped them in the nipple of a baby bottle nipple . ) There are creative ways to solve problems.
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Thank you, guys.
How did you figure out what dosage you were getting from the syringe?
I know that lots of meds and supps are delivered through the skin. I just wasn't sure if it applied to ivermectin or not. Using it for a skin condition is one thing. For an internal condition is a another, but you said that you herxed from it.
Thank you for your help, both of you.
Then, I have to decide whether I am best off for now using it at the low dose, every 2 weeks that the dr rx'd, so I don't get slammed more than I already am. He may be right for now. But the low dose every 2 weeks didn't do anything that I could tell for me.
I am barely surviving now though, and that is NOT a figure of speech! The last 3 days, I couldn't even sit up without passing out. That's with 3 meds to help the POTS, plus tons of other supps and meds to help. Arghh!
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I was on 12 mg 3 times a day for 5 week cycles Tried to do colonics I enemas. I had no problems only benefits. Helped with brain fog and gave me more skin color. It helped with just a bout all problems just like albendazole.
good luck
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