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It's known that when you hit the bacterial and parasites the viruses can get stronger and take hold.

In my history of treating this disease there have been distinct times where I notice what I call my infections taking turns which is from the above issue. These times have been distinct in that it has been obvious and strong when I have some the best and strongest treatments.

I have had to be on anti virals for example the year after I did strong anti bacterial and anti parasitic iV treatments

I have been doimg this cold laser for a couple months now.
I was hit this last week with the worst sore throat and and cold type thing followed by herpes activation which I do not have on a regular basis and is mild. Maybe ever three to four years. But this was so strong and painful It was crazy. It really hit me hard and strong and was so painful.

I researched and found cold laser can hit back herpes viruses and at least reduce the breakout and activation time by half.
It decided I would try it. I treated evey 12 hours. It was hitting me so hard I felt the laser kinda hit it back friom surging but it was really strong and kept coming. I had to treat my whole back of my leg and along the nerves. I break out on the back of my thigh. I kept it up for two days and then I felt the area it was going to break out and I was kinda bummed. But then I kept up the every 12 hours and it's day four. It never actually broke through ! It retreated ! I am amazed. It is working. In the studies it said it reduced the whole episode time and then they tracked peopled forward in time and they also had less frequent outbreaks in there futures. Viruses are so hard to treat. I am so surprised it actually affected it so well. Yes I was taking lysine too but I know the minimal affects and haven't ever been able to actually stop a break out through the skin and get it to retreat. Not ever.

So I now have two anti infection successes -actually three. Read on.

My toenail fugus is still gone and my nails are not regressing at all at all !

I have had a breast duct type infection in a duct for years. I had a surgery at age 24 and they say there may have been a pocket that formed that has gathered fluids and stays infected though. It is greenish discharge and comes and goes in strength as I have treated this disease with my better times it clears up to clearer fluid and other times it dark green to black but never goes away. Ever.

I have treated that duct twice now. Herx was crazy strong.
After just one treatment it was clear fluid and half the fluid and after two treatments there is none at all. This would be another first ever !

My laser only has three presents. I am not using frequency directed treatments in infections.
The super pulsed and multi wavelength technology is driven by the Hz to give different depth of penetration and my choices are 5 Hz and 50 Hz and a variable 1000-3000 sweep setting for skin and muscle relaxing etc

The 50 Hz is what I use most and the 5 Hz sometimes.

My herxes have been not from the sweep surface setting
My herxes also have not been happening when I treat and extremity. Arms and legs.

I could treat the toes and the back of my leg and have done areas on my arms and it's minimal herx if any at all

I still am pinning down the areas I herx the most and least in my torso area:

When I test my neck veins I also herx like crazy.
I have pointed laser at my liver area and have gotten a more mild reaction but some.

I have other tests of areas I will do like my lymphatic area under arms and groin and vein areas I groin where CCSVI also is most troublesome.

The testing is slow. Because if I herx it takes me 3 days to clear it so far. If I don't wait another 4 days after that I notice a cumulative affect and then my herxing is overlapping and just gets worse. Tells me even when I think it's cleared by day four it really had residual needing to keep clearing

I am convinced that if cold laser can neutralize and affect fungal and viral things it is affecting parasitic and bacterial.
If you research it is proven to work on on infected wounds in clearing the infection and increasing healing. I haven't found anything about protozoan or parasites specifically but there are statements that cold lasers nuetralize infections. I do not think they are killed directly as in killed. But they are affected so they can't do there thing and live on and replicate.

Anyway. I have no proof of this !! Beside my own experiences and histiry treating with so many other things.

I have no proof my herxes are from die off vs toxin releases vs biofilm releases vs my cells coming to life and my immune system and cells killing off stuff in that area or any other reason that might make me feel like crap. Could be a chemical side affect such as lactic acid. I do not know.

I just know what I can know. I wanted to try this as a trial and it's the most amazing so far.

I could be simply releasing toxins held for years hiding and trapped after years if diseae. I wanted this affect though so I'm hoping it's part of it.

There could be an advantage to having a cold laser that also can apply exact dialed in frequencies to drive to that same place. The Hz settings with mine determines depth of penetration. I'm sure the programmers have it to where you can apply a frequency as well that goes along to same spot with a dialed in frequency.

I have read that doctors use cold laser to drive homeopathic remedies deep and to targeted spots. They shine it through a vial and then direct it to the body spot. That might be something I look Into as well someday.

Right now I'm getting such strong reactions with just my modality of the laser I bought that it will be awhile before I feel I have cleared and plateaued with it.

But there are other applications to use out there like so many other technologies.

I am becoming a believer in the cold laser technology to treat the body and diseae though. I have never had such a powerful and obvious response in such a profound way.

I do wonder if I applied this to another person if they would have a similar reaction. I only have a few testimonials I found on Lyme blogs and such and have read some docotrs use it for treating if Lyme as one of the listed things it benefits.
But benefits can mean they use it for pain or detox and who knows if they feel it's treating the infection side. Seems to be no evidence really besides when I read deep publications on tests of actual wounds or fungal infections or viral herpes or in animal studies and things like that all just point In the direction of anti infective.

Even if it boosts the immune system to do its job it's worth it
I have withnessed now three infections that I have seen be affected strongly that I could witness. Internally I can only go based on what I feel. Like we all do with the treating of this diseae

Sorry for such a long post. I do tend to ramble and use too many words to describe and report things.

I should try harder to summarize.

Sorry about that.

Anyway.
Wish me luck forward

I can say on my four days after a herx I am smiling and I even caught myself throwing in a skip in my walk. A real skip !

Not this last week since I had the viral attack though. But I'm getting through that now. Probably should take. Rest from,laser next week.

It's hard because on the areas I do herx I only need ten seconds of a treatment so feel like its nothing and will just think to myself It's so little I should be able to just do that without a herx. But then it hits me within the same predicative time frame after like I hit a wall and a think gosh wow

I wish I knew exactly what is happening in there when the laser hits an area. I am not moving the laser around in these treatments. Just spots treatments of like 5 seconds on one side of neck at the vein and 5 on the other example. Also like 10 secomds straight over on the duct of the breast and did not move around.

I may do more sweeping type treatments where you solely move along an area like lymphs or veins or muscle or whatever. But I can't even get past the 10' seconds yet in the areas making me herx so strongly.

Forgot to add I also herx from low back treatment .
Sadly actually because I have a bad disk and disks and wanted to get some deep healing stimulated as I had disk surgery a yeah and half ago and helping was so slow and I knew it was not fully healed. I have suspected this disease has settled In and even hit the low back for the start as I had that as one of my first symptoms. So that area has been slow work. It herxes me so I can't do very much but it's doing some healing too. It's feeling better ! But it has a good ways to go.

I can used the topical setting to calm pain and spasms and not worry about the herx which is nice but I can tell I really need the deeper penetration to actually improve the area.

This was the only area that felt worse after first couple treatments. Also though I do not herx as quick or severe as the other areas but it's the hardest deepest spot on the body to get too. I still need to figure out more of the best way to treat this area and I read you should not apply cold laser directly to damaged areas and more around the area depending on injury and problem,

It's been a learning process about the technology and how to apply and my own relations too.
Big learning curve

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Hi Spring Showers,

So interesting, thank you for documenting what you are experiencing.

We have been using a photon device that the maker states is somewhere between a laser and a photon device. The newer machines they make are more laser then photon, from what I understand.

It's obviously a much less intense device then you use as standard dose ( if you can call it that-as it's a big experiment really) is 45 minutes.

The machines have frequency modulators that run recorded homeopathic resonances.

We have been treating my sone for two years. Not using the device all the time but doing waves of treatment when he has symptoms come up.

It sounds a lot like your progress, only yours is in fast forward.

We also use frequencies for detox and pain, but I tend to use it mostly for pathogen control.

As the layers of infection come off we have moved through lyme, toxicity, fungus, bartonella and now we are on viral.

Viral has been the slowest one for us yet. In fact we may try the more powerful unit, but I'm not sure on that as we are making progress and as I've learned in lyme world if you are going forward, don't rock the boat.

Anyway I thought I would share our story with you as it's probably one of the few with any similarity.

All the best!

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Springshowers-I appreciate you posting your experience.

I agree. Seems that when I hit the bacterial real hard my viruses reactivated.

I have never had a cold sore in my entire life.

Two weeks ago I was at my lowest energy wise-felt like I was hit by a bus.

Low and behold I had the first cold sore of my life. It was on the center of my lower lip and took four days to go away.

I was so tired I couldn't bear to take any abx, any meds nothing.

Sure enough-lyme and myco flared, and the viruses seemed to go away. Had bursts of energy for 5 mins.

But neuro lyme flared bigtime. Back on abx this last Wednesday.

It's funny how when one infection gets worse, another retreats and visa versa.

I am relieved to hear I am not the only one with flip floppy infections.

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Hi CanadianMama

Thanks for sharing. That's interesting and what device are you speaking of? There are so many parameters and features in products it gets complex and difficult.

I just read an article that states the lack of research and reports for use are limited due to the variables so high its hard to compare or get right info out there on the really high benefits and uses of the technology.

It's too big of parameters and too wide as far as uses and do many variables it's hard to get that info and testing and such our there.

It made sense to me after trying to even share my one own person experiences.

So be it for now.

I though am exited for the technology.
I hope it continues to help.
I would be interested in hearing what your using.
Thanks again.

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Greta.

Yes it's proven these infections take turns in a way and one gets stronger as others leave or die out and its a dance they play.

I have read this over years as I noticed it happens to me.

However frustrating or problematic I see it as a good sign when viruses take there turn.

What is your abx protocol. ?
Sounds like your hitting something hard that's working and changing dynamics in your body.

I hope your feeling much better.
Those viruses are difficult and painful
And takes a lot of energy out of you
Totally different than fatigue.
Just zaps you big time.
I was feeling same way.

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I read you can do blood irradiation using low level laser
And there are various methods.
I read a study posted that compared IV methods to a few other kinds and the others were as good as IV

I want to try it.
So many benefits

Here is a couple sites and about anti infective as well as overall healing from irradiating blood.

http://www.emred.fi/htmls_en/laser_blood_irradiation_therapy_en.html

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter487/
( lots of cool photos on mitochondria and vascular conditions and break down of fats cleaning the vascular walls and opening system for blood flow and photos of before and after using microscopes and other diagrams and visuals)

One place I read to just point at belly button due to artery there. Then in study I read said the vein behind your knee is a good spot. Then there is sublingual.

I am studying methods and if I may need to but attachments for my laser they sell. Even used in gyno applications.

Anyway. Seems if you treat a certain amount of time per session to get through all blood supply then do up to 10 treatments and that can give great results.

After my experiences I can see how blood irradiation would not only help clear infections but can help blood and cells that end up spreading those benefits all through where blood travels.

Great visual for sure.
I am a little nervous about a herx and though I will go slow.
I bread treatment times are 20 to 40 minutes.

It could be totally different than why I'm herxing in other areas though as what's in blood itself is different than what's in lymphs and tissues and biolfilm specific areas and though with my biolfilm I wonder if blood irradiation will eat away at the biofilm areas too which could be what herxes me most exposing more hidden infections.
Maybe.

Will try it.

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Fascinating (thank you for posting)!

I've had cold laser treatments used on me from alternative practitioners before (to kill stuff, and for homeopathics). I herxed but then felt better a few days afterwards.

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That's great. Did you do many ?

Your right.
Cold lasers do kill infections but it's in an indirect way

There is a long list of things that happen at the cellular level that low level laser does that ultimately kills infections.

Just as greet is at the same time revises and repairs and reenergized our cells including blood cells that were stagnant and damaged and stuck from the disease and toxins and infections. Reviving our immune systems.

Great too is it as it repairs an area it's semi permanent and you only need a set of treatment and not ongoing forever to that area or issue. I read ten treatments is typical per area.

Infections and disease are smart. They know how to immobilize their enemy and change there environment to stay alive. After awhile out bodies are not able to return to its previous state even if we beat done and kill infections off.

After years the body losses it's cell memory and ability to return to previous state totally and depending on how sick and for how long it can be to where it's impossible on its own. I believe this is part of why some never get totally better and or stay chronically ill.

I find this technology quite exciting

It's two fold where as I do not know another modality to work that way and so directly and simultaneously.

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Doctor Cheney has a good detailed explanation of why and how infections put us in a stuck altered state of under active against fighting infections and over active to responding to toxins and invaders. He has supplement ideas but it needs to be in conjunction with his list of protocols on this site. I thought the article was good in explaining this state we get stuck in.

http://www.dfwcfids.org/medical/cavalry.html

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quote:
Originally posted by springshowers:
That's great. Did you do many ?

Your right.
Cold lasers do kill infections but it's in an indirect way

There is a long list of things that happen at the cellular level that low level laser does that ultimately kills infections.

Just as greet is at the same time revises and repairs and reenergized our cells including blood cells that were stagnant and damaged and stuck from the disease and toxins and infections. Reviving our immune systems.

Great too is it as it repairs an area it's semi permanent and you only need a set of treatment and not ongoing forever to that area or issue. I read ten treatments is typical per area.

Infections and disease are smart. They know how to immobilize their enemy and change there environment to stay alive. After awhile out bodies are not able to return to its previous state even if we beat done and kill infections off.

After years the body losses it's cell memory and ability to return to previous state totally and depending on how sick and for how long it can be to where it's impossible on its own. I believe this is part of why some never get totally better and or stay chronically ill.

I find this technology quite exciting

It's two fold where as I do not know another modality to work that way and so directly and simultaneously.

No I have not done many, but I completely agree with everything you said here (100%). I find it all fascinating too. [Smile]

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Yeah the more I research the more fascinating it gets.

Read how with vascular disease they proved after set of treatments to blood they fully cleaned and cleared veins and arteries of all plaque.

Plague is being shown to equal biofilm stuck for periods of time and fats clinging to surfaces and building up.

The treatment of blood related to this too adds another layer I like and am trying to target.

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I noticed the same thing, they take turns battering the body & it is hard to hit all of them at one time.

One of the biggest hit was from anti-parasitics, which shot down my immunity & I developed skin infections as well. Some lasting for months, where as I never had them before.

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HI Springshowers,

Have you ever read the Dr W. chapter of "Insights"? If not here is a link to it:

http://lymebook.com/bionic-880-photon-woitzel-germany-pe1

It covers many of the topics yo are speaking about, as well as treating herpes, using homeopathic nosodes and treatment points. It's based on photon therapy, but as we are aware it's on the same spectrum of treatments.

We are using a prototype machine that is the precusor to the a machine I believe is called the IR 880 Pro (not 100% on the name).

A team of people who have a company called Waveforce, -among other things (http://waveforce.ca) -make the devices. The pathogen album at wave force is what we use to modulate the light.

It's family business and the Dad is a very experienced EAV tester so we work with him to determine the pathogen that is the top issue at the time.

We have done no antibiotics and my son has gone from completely bed ridden and severe neurolyme to quite well. Not 100% still some fatigue and body pain but so much better.

It's all a bit of an experiment, as you mentioned, as there really is very little research, but the results for us have been worth the uncertainty of taking a less well used path.

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Interesting CanadianMama

I went to waveforce site but confused as it doesn't describe
What it is it the prototype?

I haven't read that chapter but I know exactly what the bionic 880 is and I know the exact techologu and specifications are for that machine. Its photon device and big group of LEDs at certain power and wavelength and apply nosodes.

I am glad it is working for you all and the power of energy and light and frequencies etc is powerful tool to use.

If you know where I can find more info in that protype let me know. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing all that.

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I am starting to Pass out and sleep through the night for the first time in forever

I kinda wake freaked out cuz I have gotten so used to sleeping lightly and also on and off through the night and also it usually takes a long time to get to sleep.

I feel weird even though I know its good.

How is this even happening ?

Been after using this laser a couple months
I noticed it after first month somewhat but now its
getting worse ( opps better ?!)

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Hi Springshowers,

The waveforce people are some of the same people who make the photon devices.

There is no website for the devices "IR Pro" I think. Way too high visibility to have that online.

So great to hear you are sleeping again. I so remember the days when my son would start to get agitated near bedtime as he was so tired and knew it was going to be an other long night of sleeping very lightly and waking up tired.

Now I say good night to him, he falls asleep and he sleeps straight through most nights 10 hours. So great!

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Thats great. !!

Sleep is huge.

Has it stayed that way ever since?
I hope this is a something that is a sign for a permanent change.

Sleep has been one of those things I have improved quite a bit and used to not be able to sleep at all.. But I never could get back to that pre illness sleep patter and I used to be able to sleep right away and sleep through anything and sleep through the night. I loved sleep !

I have had a great week of sleep and I even wake up early and look around and just laugh. I don't even know how to act. Ha

Its really kinda crazy.

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Hello springshowers, hope you're having a good day.

I stumbled across this site while doing some Lyme research.

I'd be happy to help you with some more information about the Waveforce Infrared device if you'd like.

Email me at info @ waveforce.org.

I won't say any more as I don't want to run afoul of the website terms of service.

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