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I'm taking 1500mg of msm in 8oz water twice a day on the advice of one of my practitioners to help with rebuilding my gut. I've heard it also helps with a variety of other things.

My question is this: about 45 min after I take it, I break out into a sweat and don't know why. My babesia tinctures affect me in exactly the same way and it lasts for a few minutes. So is this a babesia herx? does anyone know? or is this just some other kind of reaction to msm? I've heard that msm is active against babesia but I'm not really sure what's going on. Otherwise I'm feeling pretty good and don't seem adversely affected in any other way.

I'm taking the Jacob Lab brand of msm that was recommended by my (very particular) practitioner, so I'm certain it's not the quality of the supplement.

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thanks. for what it's worth, my flushing/sweating reaction is now nearly gone. After about 5 weeks on MSM... I'm taking the same dose the whole time (well, actually I worked up to 1500mg twice/day over the first week). So my best guess would be that it was a babesia herx! I had read that Dr K says MSM helps with Babesia, but that's just about the only place I've seen that. [confused]
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-sweats/flushing - Maybe it's the toxins being released from your body?

Found this site online>

What is MSM?
MSM is an organic sulfur compound. It is contained naturally in the food or it should be, but often it disappears or is significantly reduced because of the over processing done.
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How much MSM should I take?
Best to start with between 500 mg daily. This for about one week and then rise to 1000 mg daily and take this for a week. Go on like this for several weeks adding 500 mg at one time, until you are taking 10 gr. daily. This will makes up for the years of deficiency that your body has experienced.

Then reduce the amount to a maintenance level for whatever works for you. This is a balance between addressing what you want to address and being able to sleep as well as you would like at night. For most people the maintenance level is between 1 and 2 teaspoons (4000 to 8000 mg) per day. Always drink LOTS of water when starting on MSM or when increasing the amount you are taking.
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How many milligrams of MSM are in a teaspoon?
There are about 4000 mg (or 4 grams) of MSM in a measured level teaspoon.
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What is 'detox'?
MSM enables your cells and tissues to release toxins that have built up over the years.

Apparently sulfur is a vital part of our waste management system, and if we have not had enough of it our bodies were not able to release some of the waste substances. If you take too much MSM, your body will release too much waste at one time for your kidneys and liver to handle. This waste in your blood stream can cause all kinds of problems ranging from flu-like symptoms to re-experiencing the effects of drugs that you have taken in the past.

For example, heavy caffeine users may feel extra jittery. The key to reducing or eliminating detox symptoms is to start on MSM slowly so that the waste in your tissues is released slowly and to drink lots of water so that the released toxins will be flushed out of your body quickly.
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What do I do if detox symptoms happen anyway?
If the symptoms are not bad, they should go away in a few days. Be sure to increase your water intake - for most people this would be double the amount of water that they normally drink. If the symptoms are severe, cut back on the MSM and take baths with water hot enough to make you sweat, but not so hot that you might pass out. Limit the baths to 20 minutes in length.

You may find it helpful to add ONE of the following to the bath water and alternating between these for different baths: a cup of vinegar or a cup of baking soda or a cup of epsom salt. These substances each help leach out different toxins through your skin. (BeiYin's remark: For me a *Sauna* works best, preferable with *Ozone*, 25 minutes, twice a week.)
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Is MSM the same as DMSO?
Although they are related, MSM has one more oxygen atom than DMSO does and that difference makes it a significantly different substance. Another example of a difference of adding an oxygen atom can be seen by comparing carbon monoxide (a deadly gas) with carbon dioxide (a harmless gas).
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I have arthritis. What works?
In 'The Miracle of MSM - The Natural Solution for Pain', the doctors who wrote the book used MSM in their medical practices for arthritis patients.

They found that when MSM was combined with 1500 mg of glucosamine each day that it provided more pain relief than either the MSM or glucosamine alone. They did not find that chondroitin provided substantially any more relief. However, a recent article in a popular consumer magazine cited several studies where both glucosamine and chondroitin were found to provide substantial benefits when used alone. There is currently a major study being conducted to see if both glucosamine and chondroitin combined provide more benefit than either one alone.

One of the glucosamine studies found measurable differences in the x-rays between the glucosamine group and the control (non-glucosamine) group which provides much more subjective evidence that glucosamine produces substantial benefits to those taking it. Again, remember that in clinical use it was found that MSM and glucosamine used together provided the most relief.
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Where does MSM come from?
MSM is a naturally occurring, sulfur containing organic compound found primarily in fresh fruits and vegetables and in every cell of the human body. The highest natural concentration of MSM is found in mammal's milk.

MSM is an organic compound and commercial MSM is a pure, simple molecule that is indistinguishable from a molecule of MSM found in nature. MSM is derived from DMSO. MSM occurs when DMSO is oxidized. MSM is a naturally occurring compound found in significant amounts in nerve tissue, skin, hair and joints.
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Why use MSM instead of DMSO?
DMSO causes some side effects such as reddening and itching of the skin, nasal congestion, shortness of breath, excess intestinal gas, and allergic reactions. DMSO has a strong sulfur odor resulting in a garlic smell. None of the side effects are dangerous just unpleasant.

MSM is safe and odorless and does not have the side effects as DMSO. However, one property of DMSO when applied externally acts as a powerful carrier for other substances, including toxic ones. These substances are carried into the body through the skin and mucous membranes, where they can do damage. DMSO is sold from commercial outlets mainly for industrial and animal use only and should always be handled with care.
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What happens if my body does not get enough sulfur?
Sulfur is found naturally in the human body. Sulfur is stored in every cell of the body. Your body won't be able to repair or replace damaged tissue fast enough. If this occurs, the body compensates by producing abnormal cells that may lead to illness and disease.

You will also experience a sensitivity to pain. Sulfur deficiencies are also associated with gastrointestinal problems, a poor immune system, arthritis, and rheumatism, memory loss and acne. It can also lead to brittle nails and hair, dermatological problems and dry skin.
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What are the available forms of MSM?
MSM comes in forms of capsules, crystals, flakes, powder, tablets, lotion and gel.
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How much MSM should I take and in what form?
You should take whatever form is convenient for you. You should always take the least possible amount of msm that gives you the relief you desire. Drink lots of water with msm. For first time users of MSM, it is better to take with meals to help prevent heartburn. First time users start at a low level and build up. Try 500-1000 mg (eighth to a quarter teaspoon) per day. Take it for that way for one week then increase it another a little more.

Once you have taken it a long time you will be able to take it without food. The recommended dosage is 2,000 to 6,000 mg. per day. Please be aware that a single dose of MSM will not help! The recommended dosage for a person weighing 150 lbs. should begin by taking 1/2 teaspoon once in the morning and mid afternoon. MSM needs to be taken for at least 1-2 weeks or even up to two month before you may see results. When MSM is taken by mouth with meals whether it be capsule, crystal, flake, powder or tablet form, the body will distribute MSM where it is needed.

The precise dose of MSM is not really that critical. For the first week or two, larger doses of MSM may be needed to compensate for an extreme deficiency and depending on your situation . For general maintenance start out slow, take 1/2 teaspoon 2-3 times a day. then take more each day until you build up to 6,000 mg. Then once you see improvements continue same dosage for about 1 month, then reduce intake as general maintenance (1/2 teaspoon 2-3 times a day).
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Is sulfur the same as sulfa drugs and sulfites?
No. Organic sulfur is a nutrient, a necessary part of natural chemical processes in the body. It should not be confused with sulfa based drugs or sulfites, which are forms of inorganic sulfur. Sulfa drugs are synthetic, meaning that they do not occur naturally. They are used for the purposes as antibiotics, which in some people cause allergic reactions.
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How does MSM help the skin?
MSM is great for your skin if you have acne. MSM acts to keep the skin's cells and the tissue soft. Keeping the skin soft ensures that it remains elastic enough to allow stretching and movement without damage. Smooth, flexible skin is less prone to wrinkles and dry flakiness. It even helps stretch marks. MSM benefits the skin and internal organs.
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How does MSM help your hair and nails?
Sulfur helps the body to form keratin, the protein that makes up the main part of the outermost layers of your hair and nails. It is a tough, fibrous protein that is very resilient to the effects of damaging chemicals and other harmful agents.

Each strand of hair has its own keratin supply, which is stored in the root. Sulfur is also contained in biotin, a B vitamin that is essential for shiny hair and strong nails. You may be interested to know that the natural inclination of hair to be straight or curly is maintained in part by the sulfur amino acids. MSM benefits dry scalp and hair and improves nail growth and benefits your cuticles and nails. My nails are nice and strong now along with being whiter!
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How does MSM help with allergies?
Allergies are reactions set off by a breakdown in the normal functioning of the body's immune system. When this happens, a varied range of symptoms are manifested, including sneezing, runny nose, watery eyes, headaches, and sleepiness, other reactions include hives, stomachache, and sore throat. MSM goes straight to the cause of allergic reactions. In this web site you learned that MSM softens the skin. It does this by softening the walls of the body's cells, which are then more easily penetrated, allowing enemy substances to be flushed out.

Flushing these allergens out of the body eliminates the need for the body to react allergic ally to get rid of them. This process cannot happen when the cell walls are hard and impenetrable. MSM prevents allergic reactions by coating the gastrointestinal tract in a way that makes allergen bonding impossible. Research has shown that daily doses of MSM have substantially increased resistance to environmental, food, or drug allergens.
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How does MSM help with parasites?
MSM has proven to be a very effective treatment for parasites.

Research shows that MSM works by laying a coating over the intestinal areas where some types of parasites normally attach themselves. This coating makes it impossible for parasites to attach themselves to your body. Since they are not attached to your body, the parasites are simply flushed out of your system through the process of elimination. MSM can be used against worms, giardia, trichomonas, and other types of parasites.

Making sure that you have an adequate daily intake of MSM can help to ensure that the parasites do not have a chance to make themselves at home inside your body. MSM has the ability to return the parasite susceptible tissue to normalcy with no impairment or injury to host. MSM has an alleviating or curing effect on a variety of parasitic systemic microbial infections.
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How does MSM help with constipation?
MSM has been shown to bring prompt relief for chronic constipation.
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How does MSM help with heartburn and ulcers?
Stomach acid is used by the body to breakdown food during digestion. The stomach lining releases a form of acid known as hydrochloric acid, which is necessary for the digestion of proteins.

Standard treatment for heartburn involves the use of antacids and other products that neutralize hydrochloric acid. These may give temporary relief by counteracting the effects of hydrochloric acid, but a reduction in hydrochloric acid can in turn lead to indigestion and poor absorption of nutrients. Overuse of antacids can destroy the body's natural acid/alkaline balance, while neutralizing the excess stomach acid. MSM will allow patients with peptic ulcers and chronic heartburn to experience fewer symptoms.
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How does MSM help alleviate pain?
When the body's cell walls are supple, fluids can easily pass out of the cell, resulting in equalized pressure inside and outside the cell. It is the difference of pressure that causes pain and inflammation. By equalizing the pressure, MSM helps to reduce pain and inflammation. MSM can relieve post-athletic fatigue along with relieving muscle pain and cramps.
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How does MSM help with arthritis?
MSM brings relief to arthritis sufferers not by dulling the nerves so that pain cannot be felt, but by mending some of the damage that causes arthritic pain.

The two main forms of arthritis are rheumatoid arthritis and osteoarthritis. Both conditions cause pain, stiffness, and, sometimes complete deformation of the joint. Osteoarthritis usually effects one joint at a time, gradually destroying the cartilage. Rheumatoid arthritis, attacks the whole body at once and is accompanied by swelling. The conventional treatment for arthritis is nonsteroidal anti-flammatory drugs such as ibuprofen or naprosyn, and only provide temporary relief.

Sometimes these drugs can cause unpleasant side effects and can cause stomach upset or stomach bleeding. Studies have shown that taking glucosamine, a sulfur dependent compound, which plays an important role in the formation of ligaments, tendons, and other membranes, is more effective in the treatment of arthritis. So taking MSM supplements with glucosamine can enhance the health benefits of glucosamine.
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How does MSM help with cancer?
MSM can change a cancer cell into a non malignant cell. Studies have shown that MSM slows the growth rate of cancerous tumors. MSM does not prevent cancer but it will delay the disease. There is still much to learn about msm and cancer but at least you can increase your life span by at least 10 years if you take msm to aid in the prevention of cancer.
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How does MSM help diabetics?
MSM has been shown to be effective in the treatment of diabetes, which occur when the body produces or uses insulin inefficiently. Sulfur is an important component of insulin, a hormone produced in the pancreas to metabolize carbohydrates. Without sulfur, the body cannot produce enough insulin, leading to excess blood sugar, so MSM may be an especially important supplement to include in your diet. Diabetics should not take glucosamine for it contains sugar.
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Is MSM safe for my pets?
Horse trainers give MSM to their racehorses before races to prevent the buildup of lactic acid in muscles, which causes stiffness and cramps after exercising. Use of MSM to your pets can enhance their overall health. They will acquire attractive glossy coats, and strong toenails.
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What does MSM do for the body?
MSM detoxifies the body and increases blood circulation. MSM plays many different, but equally essential roles in the human body. MSM is a required structural mineral for healthy hair, skin, and nails. MSM is also necessary to help maintain the flexibility and elasticity of most all bodily tissues and is needed to maintain cell membrane permeability.

Proper permeability allows cells to absorb nutrients and expel waste. MSM supports sulfur-containing amino acids such as methionine and cystine which are necessary for the healing and repair of most bodily tissues especially skin, blood vessels, organs, and joints. Because there are few nerves in the bones, our pain comes from soft tissue. Aspirin shuts off the nerves, but the muscles are still damaged. MSM takes out the inflammation, permits the muscles to heal and prevents them from becoming sore. MSM is a free radical scavenger, so allergies to food and pollens will go away. MSM also prevents overreaction to other medicines.
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Can I take MSM while breast feeding?
Most definitely! Breast milk is a good source of MSM, so it is not a foreign substance. Only food. There are some doctors who will advise against you taking MSM while breast feeding because they are uncertain of MSM and are cautious about everything.

There are some doctors who will tell you it won't hurt your child. Your child's hair and nails will grow and become healthier, their immune system will be much stronger. If it seems to present a problem just discontinue taking it until after breast feeding. If concerned always check with your health care professional.
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Is it safe to mix MSM with other prescribed medications?

MSM has been observed in clinical settings some indications that it may have a blood thinning, aspirin like effect on platelet aggregation. Therefore, you should consult your doctor if you are taking high doses of aspirin, or blood thinning medication such as heparin or dicumarol.
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Does MSM help with mental alertness? Yes, MSM has been shown to increases alertness, reduce mood swings, and lessen depression. MSM has been shown to relieve mental depression within hours after taking it rather than days.
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Does MSM help people with migraines?
Studies have been show that migraine suffers have been know to get substantial relief from taking MSM by taking it on a daily basis.
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Is it safe to take Glucosamine with MSM?
Yes they work well together. Glucosamine plays an integral role in the formation of ligaments, tendons and is more effective than NSAIDs. Glucosamine makes cartilage strong, healthy and resilient. Glucosamine reduces inflammation, and studies show glucosamine to have no known side effects. Glucosamine also contributes to the growth of new cartilage. But keep in mind that glucosamine is a charged sugar molecule and if you are a diabetic you must watch your sugar intake.
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What does MSM actually do?
MSM keeps the glands properly balancing your bodily functions, in order for diseases and illnesses to keep it from starting it's degeneration process.
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Is it safe to take MSM during pregnancy?
Clinical experience indicates that MSM is safe for pregnant women.

But my preference is that pregnant or nursing women should not take MSM unless otherwise advised by their physician. MSM causes rapid detox which causes toxins, which have been stored up to flush through into the bloodstream and cardiovascular system. MSM itself is not harmful, but the toxins flowing through the system can be too strong for an infant since they are flushing out at a rapid rate. MSM can be continued after the pregnancy term is over and nursing is no longer occurring.

Always consult with a doctor before taking any kind of supplement while pregnant or nursing. It is true that this same concept applies to nursing mothers. The difference is that during pregnancy there is more direct transfer of nutrients (and toxins) from the blood of the mother to the fetus. In lactation, the blood is filtered and the nutrients are then transferred to the milk, - making it more dilute.
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How much should I take during pollen season to relieve my allergies?
Higher dosages are necessary in order to give you relief from sneezing, runny nose and burning eyes.
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What will happen when one takes too much msm?
You may develop minor gastrointestinal discomfort or more frequent bowel movements. If this happens just reduce the amount of msm you are taking. If you take your MSM dosage and divide in into 3 times a day instead of all at once you shouldn't experience this problem.
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Why don't doctors recommend MSM?
Very few doctors will, because the American Medical Association does not endorse, nor do the Pharmaceutical Companies produce, MSM. This does not mean that there is NO cure for your disease, there certainly may very well be, and it may have existed from the beginning of time itself. This only means that within the politics of the current medical bureaucracy, doctors are instructed to tell you that there in NO cure for your disease.
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Are there any food sources of MSM?
Yes there is. MSM occurs naturally in the environment, and is present in rainwater, and is absorbed by plants. Small amounts of MSM are available in fresh fruits, grains, vegetables and even un-pasteurized milk because of the way we process our food. Unfortunately, MSM is chemically altered and destroyed when foods are processed, heated, or dehydrated. So your most reliable dietary source for adequate MSM intake is through supplementation.
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Who can take MSM?
Everyone because organic sulfur is a basic component for overall human wellness, everyone can benefit from supplementing their diets with MSM. Please consult your physician before using MSM if you are pregnant, while nursing or for children under 2 years of age or when you have heart problems.
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Does MSM help whiten the teeth?
As we age our teeth begin to become darker. MSM is starting to appear in toothpaste. Brush your teeth as normal then brush again using msm powder or crystals or flakes. Allow yourself two weeks for a noticeable change.
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Does MSM help with snoring?
Tests have shown that MSM in a 16 percent water solution provided a significant reduction in snoring in 80 percent of humans.
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How does MSM help with Candida?
We have a yeast that lives in our colon called Candida that keeps bad bacteria out, which lives on the food created by acidophilus. When you take antibiotics it kills the bad and the good bacteria. Your pH then gets out of balance and the Candida gets hungry and starts spreading. When it gets in the vagina, women have yeast infections. When the tongue gets a white coating, that is Candida yeast. When it gets in the ears and the eyes, they change the name and call it thrush.

When it gets in the blood stream, they call it chronic fatigue - "an incurable disease". There is no such thing or we would have all died 6,000 years ago. When you digest the food and it goes into the bloodstream, the Candida steals it. So you do not assimilate your nutrition, the glands do not get their vitamins and minerals, so you develop allergies to foods, pollens and fragrances.

You also do not have any energy because the Candida is a living organism and digests food like you do and puts out toxins that are floating in your blood stream. When those toxins are added to your toxins, it can simulate 80 different diseases that you do not have. When it simulates strep throat, the doctor gives you an antibiotic and kills the acidophilus, keeping the pH out of balance. It then simulates pneumonia… the doctor gives you more antibiotics and it then simulates sinus infection.

Every three or four weeks, you have a cold or flu and you feel terrible. This becomes a vicious, painful and costly cycle. Candida is a living yeast and can turn any bread you eat into blood alcohol. Blood alcohol is a blood sugar. When the body has adjusted to a high blood sugar content and it suddenly drops, you go into a mood swing like a diabetic and feel terrible.

So, you crave bread, cookies or alcohol to kick up the blood sugar. Some people can actually eat 4 or 5 pieces of bread and get drunk. This is why bars have so many pretzels, bread sticks and popcorn for their clients because it satisfied Candida's craving for bread and keeps the blood sugar content high. It makes them feel good.

When they are driving in a car they always have cookies, soda pop and candy at hand or when they are watching TV, they surround themselves with junk food. When you take MSM your pH goes normal. Candida cannot live in your body when your pH is normal, except in the colon (where it belongs) so the Candida dies out. This is how MSM cures people of Candida. It makes it possible for an 'alcoholic' to come down off the alcohol in their blood sugar without any of the withdrawal side effects.
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What is glucosamine?
Glucosamine is an amino acid that is used in the formation of cartilage. It can only be obtained in a combined salt form such as glucosamine hydrochloride or glucosamine sulfate. Glucosamine is usually derived from crab shells. Although no one has been identified as being allergic to glucosamine, those that are allergic to shellfish should use caution.
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What is chondroitin?
Chondroitin is a carbohydrate found in cartilage. It is usually derived from cow cartilage although there are other sources that use shark, chicken, or pig cartilage. It is also available only in a combined salt form as in chondroitin sulphate.
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What is Ester-C?
Ester-C is a non-acidic time-release form of Vitamin C that has more bio-availability than regular ascorbic acid. It is more expensive than regular Vitamin C, but has more benefits. Beside having no acid and being time-release, you also get some dietary calcium from it.
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Do I have to take Vitamin C with MSM supplements?
You do not have to take vitamin C along with MSM supplements in order for MSM to work better. If you are unable to take vitamin C, MSM still works for you. Vitamin C is still a great supplement though and can enhance recovery!
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Why is Vitamin C suggested when using MSM?
MSM promotes healing and healing involves forming new cells. Vitamin C is a required raw material in forming healthy new cells. Yes, other raw materials are also required and each of us should be eating properly or taking the proper supplements.

A recent study found that at least a quarter of us are deficient in Vitamin C to start with. While this deficiency is not enough to cause scurvy, it did cause several other problems including weak immune systems and fatigue. If we are already deficient in Vitamin C and need more when we are healing, then most of us need to supplement with more Vitamin C.
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How much Vitamin C should I take?
Taking 1000 mg for each teaspoon (4000 mg) of MSM taken up to a maximum of 3000 mg of Vitamin C daily.

http://falconblanco.com/health/msm/faq.html

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yeah, I wondered about the toxin release possibility too, but my herx is precisely like the herx I get after I take cryptolepsis or some other bab tinctures like MC-BAB-3 from beyond balance. I just want to know if anyone else has experienced similar or babesia herxes from it.

here's a link to the brand I take
https://jacoblab.com/OrderOralMSM.html
and they talk a lot about it there too so I've kind of done the reading already [Smile]

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strictly speaking, a nutritionist friends told me to take it to help rebuild my gut after cdiff...
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MSM IS sulfites. Please, if you have sulfite sensitivity, be very careful trying MSM!!!

My allergist was a chemical engineer before becoming a doctor. He told me to stay away from MSM since I have sulfite sensitivity, because, in his words, "MSM is sulfites."

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I am so glad to see this thread about MSM. Shortly after starting organic MSM, I developed awful chills and night sweats and for the first time in my life got air hunger. I was afraid it was feeding babesia, but to hear it helped you makes me think it was an awful herx now. Organic sulfur is powerful
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Amazing info on MSM, thank you Steve.

I guess Kimmie was then right?

If MSM is said to kill parasites, and babesia is somehow considered a parasite, who knows it isn't killing babesia?

I hope it does!!

I can eat MSM in spoons without any trouble, and I got rid of babesia DURING my high intake of MSM.

I use energy testing, and MSM tested excellent to eliminate babesia die off toxins. I ate MSM almost literally, and also loads of chlorella, many times a day, until my babesia disappeared.

I was though taking other babs killers, so I cannot say IF MSM was killing babesia or not.

Dr. K. is a fan of MSM and so is my lyme doc.

BUt people with sensitivity to sulphur must take care (ex: people who can't tolerate onions or garlic due to higher amount of sulphur).

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I definitely feel like MSM helped me with Babesia, but my babs is not totally in remission. I'd be curious to hear from Brussels about the approx. "high" dose seemed to cure it. Sign me up! I want this thing gone once & for all [Smile]
Kimmie, Yes, I think you are on the right track. Maybe just slow your dose down a bit so the herxes are tolerable (if you can't take it). Your reaction sounds very promising to me. Whenever I reacted like that, it was a bad herx so I knew the drug/supplement was working. Don't stop, keep going. I almost never flush now with MSM - it's much better than it used to be.

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Parasitic Infections
Methylsulfonylmethane has an ameliorating or curing effect on a variety of parasitic systemic microbial infections. Efficacy can be determined by in vitro testing to determine growth inhibition or killing of the specific organism by exposure to methylsulfonylmethane at various concentrations in an otherwise acceptable growth-maintaining in vitro media for the organism. If inhibition or death of the organism occurs when exposed to methylsulfonylmethane at concentrations below about 100 ppm, the methylsulfonylmethane will exhibit in vivo activity against that organism. Examples of parasitic infections susceptible to treatment with methylsulfonylmethane are those commonly associated with infection of the intestinal or urinogenital tract, e.g., Nematodes, Trichomonas vaginalis, Giardia, Enterobius and other intestinal worms, systemic infections by Histoplasma capsulation, Coccidioldes Toxoplasm and other in vitro susceptible organisms.

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this is all so encouraging!!!! I will resume the MSM then...but I am so glad to know it has helped with babesia The herx for me was truly awful...the worse babs herx I have had to date!
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I know they use high dose MSM as a cancer treatment. Maybe that is what we need to do to end babs is the higher doses....
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I wonder if MSM works as antifolate? My reaction to MSM is the same as bactrim without the toxicities associated to it. Bactrim is a sulfur based antibiotic and works against malaria by inhibiting folate metabolism. Bactrim is effective against bartonella too, so in theory, MSM could help with more than just babs and it is proven antiparasitic too


Antifolates, inhibitors of folate synthesis or folate conversion, are used for malaria treatment. They are developed as synergistic combinations of inhibitors of dihydrofolate reductase (DHFR) and of dihydropteroate synthase (DHPS). DHPS inhibitors are sulfur-based drugs, analogs of sulfanilamide. These compounds compete with para-aminobenzoic acid in the active site of DHPS. The discovery of new antifolates is based on the identification of DHFR inhibitors; little work has been done on sulfur-based drugs because of their toxicity. As a result, only a few sulfur-based drugs are available. In this review, the hypothesis that compounds that compete with pteridine derivatives in active sites of de novo folate enzymes can be used as synergizers of DHFR inhibitors is discussed. If correct, this could lead to the identification of a new family of synergizers of DHFR inhibitors.

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I was taking 4000 mg twice a day of organic MSM crystals. No wonder I felt so awful
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I sent jellybean a PM.

I could literally take 2 tea spoons of MSM, certainly 3x a day, if not more.

I also took chlorella, a lot, as I feel MSM and chlorella worked well for babesia herxes.

A lot of chlorella can easily mean 100 pills a day, divided in 5-6 doses (meaning, about 20 pills each time). At least, that was when I was fighting babesia.

Later, I decreased doses from MSM. Chlorella, I took pretty much the whole time I had active lyme, coupled with bear garlic (that also has sulphur compounds), just because I prefered the taste of bear garlic than MSM.

Flanagan is though a great fan of MSM. He says it binds virtually to so many toxins, including radioactive particles.

I know though, by experience, that it won't bind EVERYTHING in a babesia herx. You STILL need chlorella.

If I only took one of them (MSM or chlorella), I wouldn't feel well. If I took both of them, both high doses, I felt normal, almost herx-less.

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I read something important about sulfur the other day. I'll try to find it.

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Abstract
A series of trioxanes featuring sulfide, sulfone, and sulfonamide substituents in diverse positions has been prepared. Structure–activity relationship (SAR) generalizations highlight two major factors controlling the antimalarial potency of these new chemical entities: (1) the proximity of the sulfur-containing substituent to the crucial peroxide bond and (2) the oxidation state of the sulfur-containing substituent. Generally, sulfones are more antimalarially potent than the corresponding sulfides.


MSM is known as methyl sulfone. So now I believe it does have antibabesia properties...Worse Babs herx I have had!!!!!

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I do not have Lyme, but take MSM daily.

At first, it caused my hands to break out in small fluid filled blisters. I would stop taking it and the blisters would go away. I start again and they would come back.

I decided to keep taking it and eventually the blisters stopped forming.

I believe that the MSM was pushing toxins out of my hands. I have had my hands exposed to many chemicals in the past. Before people really thought much about cleaning car parts in gas or paint thinner with your bare hands.

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kimmie, I tried to answer your PM. I wrote a lot, but lost it all because your PM is full!!

Could you empty it please??

thank you!

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Just something about the KPU supplements like zinc, vit B6...

When my daughter and I were trying to take zinc, we had a big trouble with it, due to toxic reactions. It felt EXACTLY like a herx.

We kept taking it, and one day, my daughter crashed with fever, joint pains, fatigue, intense sweats, anxiety, tummy pain... you name it.

I called the naturopath, who has long experience with lyme and the KPU. She said: she is getting a relapse, give her Borrelia treatment

Well, she was wrong. After taking binders and stopping zinc, my daughter got better again.

I'm telling you guys about that because the KPU works also like a chelation protocol.

Excess of toxins can cause night sweats.

My daughter had no lyme then, but symptoms looked exactly like lyme, even to a very experienced practitioner.

so flushing toxins off the body can cause sweats, that is what I mean here... It's not always babesia or infections.

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Brussels, I am so sorry I am emptying my folder now.

Good news...I was only able to tolerate 1000mg ORGANIC MSM a day. SLowly over the course of 2 months I am up to 8000mg daily. Basically 2 tsp MSM in water sipped throughout the day. Every time I increase, babesia sweats return. I also started babesia herbals and the MSM makes them much more powerful

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Does MSM act similarly to epsom salt baths? Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate. I do believe the sulfate in the epsom salt helps to flush out toxins because it helps me so much on toxic days, plus I get a dose of magnesium..

I used to take MSM and it seemed to help me, but then got away from it for some reason - can't remember.

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Rivendell,

MSM is said to increase cell permeability allowing supplements and medications to work better.


It also oxygenates the body and flushes out toxins. It is powerful so you need to start slowly

It also has antiparasitic properties

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