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lymeshelpneeded
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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to control blood pressure with chronic lyme? Taking a combination of blood pressure pills at a high dosage and it has not brought it down at all, I'm sure due to lyme not being treated properly.
Thanks!

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What are you doing to detox?

There seems to be a link between how toxic a person is and high blood pressure - at least for my hubby.

With adding in more detox his bp is now in the normal ranges. It will tend to go up a bit when he feels toxic.

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Magnesium IV and IM (intra muscular). Low magnesium levels (in the cells vs in the bloodstream) will cause uncontrolled high blood pressure.

If you're really low, taking orally is not enough for your body to absorb. It can only absorb a tiny amount at a time and the rest is excreted.

After a year of lyme & bart treatment and oral magnesium (small doses of mag, about 8 times a day), I finally gave in and had a few IV's of magnesium chloride(no big deal - tiny needle in your hand, 25 mins and you're done) and started doing weekly intramuscular shots. This was the only thing that worked for me. Beta blockers helped somewhat, but many days I'd wake up with a pulse in the 120's.

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The statin drugs deplete CoQ10 bigtime...not good!

https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/coenzyme-q10

Look under high blood pressure in the above link.

Statin drugs work by lowering the *liver's* ability to make cholesterol (Bb follows the "cholesterol pathway" to make its cell walls.), but the double edge sword is...they also deplete CoQ10. We need both cholesterol AND CoQ10.

Cell walls are actually what our antibodies to lock onto. L-forms/CWD forms of Bb can survive.

More about CoQ10 here:
https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/coenzyme-q10

While I would prefer MitoQ (if lyme is involved, for mitochondrial support in infected cells), you could try UbiquinOL.

That ANTI-Oxidant FORM of CoQ10 which worked better than CoQ10 for cardiac patients who also appear to have "mitochondrial dysfunction".

One of Bb's lipoproteins is phosphatidylcholine.

Lecithin is a "fat emulsifier" and is in chocolate, etc. to make it "smooth". It does contain some phosphatidylcholine.

Yes, Bb needs it as do WE...yes, Bb needs...Mg, Mn, Ca, Na (especially), Zn....you name the nutrient and Bb is impacting it.


You might also want to seriously consider D3 *with* K2 (MK-7) i.e., D3-K2 combo.

Research vitamin K2 (NOT K) to see HOW it works (regarding "plaque" i.e., arteriosclerosis).

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/19/vitamin-d-vitamin-k2.aspx

And others.

In the mitochondria, if they are working properly, K1 converts to K2.

K2:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22582012

https://www.metagenics.com.au/products/vitamin-k2-menaquinone-7-114-g-oral-powder/

I'm not promoting Metagenics (but it is a good company), but read what they say about K2, Mk-7.

Find the discussion "Vitamin K2: New Help for Our Mitochondria?" here:

https://www.dcnutrition.com/products/Detail.CFM?RecordNumber=783


Foam cells...Wiki.

http://authoritynutrition.com/how-many-eggs-should-you-eat/ over easy to preserve the MANY nutrients in the yolk...MANY (the white has to be cooked!)

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/113/2

The above take TIME.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/05/06/fda-warning-on-statins.aspx

Magnesium is a NATURAL HMG CoA reductase inhibitor AND

it is an anti-inflammatory, anti-histamine also.

Mg levels DIVE in lyme disease at the outset and continue to spiral down.

***The goal is to increase ATP levels

restoring what is called oxidative phosphorylation***

which happens in the cells' mitochondria = powerhouses) and when the mitochondria produce ENOUGH ATP levels go up a few things are inhibited:

In glycolysis, hexokinase is directly inhibited by its product, glucose-6-phosphate, and pyruvate kinase is

inhibited by ATP itself.

The main control point for the glycolytic pathway is

***phosphofructokinase (PFK), which is allosterically

inhibited by high concentrations of ATP***

and activated by high concentrations of AMP. Wiki.

Bb is PFK dependent.

Do you see WHY we are trying to help out our mitochondria....to make MORE ATP, to INACTIVATE PFK which Bb is dependent upon.

Bb looks to be able to use glucose, converting it to a similar (mirror image) sugar called mannose.

That is why picking up that p8 protein in the tick's saliva which inhibits mannose binding lectin (protein) was vital for Bb's survival.

[ 08-11-2014, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Marnie ]

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PS: And I believe the day I had my first IV Mag Chloride, it was so transformative, that I posted here saying 'Marnie was Right' [Smile]

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123746;p=0

Topic: MAGNESIUM - LINKS sets
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You may be getting MSG unknowingly.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all and just MSG in disguise)
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no salt works for me.

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Green Tea (real tea, not flavors added) can help.

Look up: Stephen Sinatra, MD - his writings about the heart.
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Randibear posted at the same time about no salt.

Just be sure to get SOME salt. Our kidneys & adrenal glands can be damaged on a no-salt diet.

But, table salt, any food with salt added (especially food eaten out) - not the way to go.

Only a good quality SEA SALT, and in amounts that will work for your body, all things considered. You have to have some. It's the type, amount and how spread out it is during the day that matters.

http://www.tahomaclinicblog.com/introducing-wright-salt/

THE WRIGHT SALT

- by Jonathan V. Wright, M.D. - a different approach
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also, look closely at your thyroid. I was just diagnosed with thyroid cancer. The half that had cancer was growing wildly out of control. Once i had it removed, my border line high blood pressure and all the symptoms that came with it, went away for the most part.

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Also consider ReMag and ReLyte. AMAZING stuff. Some say it is more effective than IV mag.

www.rnareset.com

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btw-I wasn't meaning to scare you. Just saying that thyroid issues in general, can cause blood pressure issues.

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My blood pressure was always low.
After battling Lyme and its other critters for years my blood pressure suddenly went very high requiring prescription medication.

It took quite a while for it to come down.
Nearly two years ago I added another doctor who treats adrenals, thyroid, and other hormones.

Since being treated for adrenal fatigue, I cut back on the medication. I was able to cut it in half, then by another half and am currently not taking it.

It's only been five days off of the BP med but so far it's good.

My treating doctor and LLMD believe it was adrenal crises causing the high blood pressure.
I'm seeing they were both right.

I am also treating for hypothyroidism.

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Sorry you are having this. Just one more scary thing to add into the mix.

I had this as well. It was even worse with herxing. I was put on as much as metoprolol 50 mg. three times a day, along with clonidine HCL 0.1 twice a day. The cardiologist I saw said I could take the clonidine hourly if I felt I needed to.

It wasn't until lyme was well under control that the hypertension pretty much resolved on its own. I think for me it was also part adrenal related.

I thought the metoprolol dose was mind boggling but I felt fine on it. I felt fine on clonidine but sometimes it made me a bit sleepy.

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Thanks, good info on blood pressure.
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I want to add that before I knew it was lyme, I was in the ER with elevated heart rate and very hypertensive. I was put on labetalol IV. It's my understanding that labetalol is a heavy hitter for hypertension and even this only seemed to put a small dent into it.

This is why I think it was adrenal related, secondary to the lyme infection.

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Could be hypothyroid/hyperthyroid / vasculitis / kidney function linked.

Thyroid involvement symptoms:

http://www.draieta.com/articles_thyroid.html

In the above, note Lithium...those persons with bipolar often have to take thyroid Rx. Thyroid levels seem to plummet during mania.

The *kidneys* perform five main functions - clean waste material from the blood, retain or excrete salt and water, ***regulate blood pressure***, stimulate bone marrow to make red blood cells, and control the amount of calcium and phosphorous absorbed and excreted.

How healthy your kidneys are can affect your blood pressure, and vice versa.

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I went to er once and my bp was 207 over 178. no lie. they kept me overnight. I was drugged to the gills but don't know with what.

mine just skyrockets when I get nervous or upset.

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"White coat syndrome" = scared of docs.

Xanax helps...significantly (my mom - years ago).

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oh yeah...I can just drive by a drs office and up it goes!!!

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