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Maia_Azure
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What does the research say on Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella, etc?

I have been diagnosed with Babesia, and my LLMD suspects Bart. I can actually remember the exact time when i contracted Babesia, a flu-like illness with vertigo, drenching sweats, anemia etc.

I was reading work by this Dr:

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/news/2012-05-04-Uncovering-Bartonella-the-Stealth-Pathogen.html

It makes me wonder how prevalent these co-infections are. Have they always been chronic? Is the chronic persistence a new thing?

OR, is it just opportunistically infecting us because we are all undergoing immune dysfunction not seen previously?

Sometimes I wonder if my Lyme was treated years ago (Bulls Eye 2005), and if i just have other pathogens. Its all a lot to think about.

Anyone have good links or studies to read on this topic?

Risking sounding like Nancy Kerrigan saying, Why me? I wonder, why me? Multiple cumulative exposures? One day of bad luck walking in the woods? Poor immune system to start with? Too much time spent around animals and livestock (worked on a farm for a few years)?

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Page 4 of Burrascano Guidelines:

"Ticks may contain and transmit to the host a multitude of potential pathogens. The clinical presentation of Lyme therefore reflects which pathogens are present and in what proportion. Apparently, in early infections, before extensive damage to the immune system has occurred, if the germ load of the co-infectors is low, and the Lyme is treated, many of the other ticktransmitted microbes can be contained and eliminated by the immune system. However, in the chronic patient, because of the inhibited defenses, the individual components of the co-infection are now active enough so that they too add to features of the illness and must be treated. In addition, many latent infections which may have pre-dated the tick bite, for example herpes viruses, can reactivate, thus adding to the illness."

Page 23:

"Babesia infection is becoming more commonly recognized, especially in patients who already have Lyme Disease. It has been published that as many as 66% of Lyme patients show serologic evidence of co-infection with Babesia microti."

And, from page 24:

"It has been said that Bartonella is the most common of all tick-borne pathogens."

Some states have tested a sample of ticks and reported the incidence of bartonella and babesiosis that they found. Statistics for Maryland are rather high.

Perhaps you can find the data on New Hampshire.

Nearly all lyme patients have not only lyme but also babesiosis and bartonella. For this reason, lyme doctors call them "the big three."

So, if you have all 3, you are a typical lyme patient. I had all 3 and every lyme patient I have ever met in Maryland, except one, also had all 3.

This is why good lyme doctors just automatically treat the patient for all 3.

So, it comes with the territory. Get lyme and get the other 2 also. Don't get good lyme treatment right away and you will have to treat all 3 to get well.

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I think it may be true that if lyme treated quickly at the beginning and for long enough, then the coinfections are handled by the immune system. It is when the lyme is long untreated that the co's then have a free hand and have to be treated also. Presumably that is because lyme causes dysregulated immune system.

At least it fits what happened to me: lyme latent for 2+ years, except for swollen knee, then when the crash came, babesia also made an appearance (but not before that time even though it was there all along too.)

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There can be alternate vectors involved, also. So one could conceivably get Lyme from a tick bite, Bartonella from a cat flea bite, and babesia from a mosquito...all at different times.

The first two infections acquired may not result in anything much as far as symptoms, but they may assault the immune system. So then by the time the 3rd infection comes along, all h$#%$ breaks loose and the symptoms multiply quickly.

Just a hypothesis of one scenario...among many.

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Lyme IgM IGeneX Pos. 18+++, 23-25+, 30++, 31+, 34++, 39 IND, 83-93 IND; IgG IGeneX Neg. 30+, 39 IND; Mayo/CDC Pos. IgM 23+, 39+; IgG Mayo/CDC Neg. band 41+; Bart. (clinical dx; Fry Labs neg. for all coinfections), sx >30 yrs.

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