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elainer97
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About 3-4 wks ago I had to stop taking abx b/c of my stomach. Have been on them for over 2-1/2 yrs. The last 2 yrs I was on the Clindy/Quinine/Plaquenil rotation then the last few months added Artemisinin.

By the time I had to stop the abx I felt that I had finally got the upper hand with the babs but now I'm back to being sleepy tired, hard to get up in morning, muscles turning to steel bands and dry cough starting again. Probably didn't help that I had the flu week before last [Frown]

I want to take the Art again but I know I can't take it by itself, and the abx are a no-go so what can I take with it? I have Chanca Piedra that I was using for my gallbladder (which has settled down a lot now without the abx- go figure ;$). The chanca is used for babesia in some places but would it be enough to keep the Art from becoming resistant?

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Cryptolepsis is a good one.
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Dehydrated garlic.

Lightning Pearls. And other formulations from that line might be good.

Ivermectin. Not herbal, but different mechanisms to abx.

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Byron White A-Babs. Alinia and Coartem- not herbal but works as a good adjunct to the traditional meds.
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See Buhner's books on coinfections here in this set, near the end - for a start. If you can access a LL ND, all the better.


When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways.

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.


Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .

BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
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Thanks to everyone for the replies.
I'm going to mull it over and decide what to do.

Phantukk, I do already use a silver hydrosol, Sovereign Silver, recommended by my LLMD but I have a hard time finding a 'happy medium' dose. It causes a really rough muscle pain herx.

I'm looking into essential oils right now, also recommended by my doc. And I'm addressing my thyroid and adrenal issues again too - I've lost 12 lbs in the last 3 mnths - yay! plus I feel better. Long way to go tho.

I've been praying for direction and God is slowly revealing. Slower than I like but His timing is always better than mine [Smile]

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My LLMD has started using Eunula. We got it from Nutramedix. It seemed pretty effective for my mom.
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Following up terv's note:

http://www.nutramedix.ec/ns/enula

Enula - by NutraMedix

Elecampane (Inula helenium)

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Adding onto terv's suggestion of Enula - with a word to say that the items below may not be the same exact substance as in Enula (NutraMedix' trademark formula). Comparisons between different brands or forms are best done with one's LL doctor.

I learn so much from others here, especially when I just go off scouting to explore herbs mentioned. I've been troubled terribly with mouth / teeth issues and once I read a bit here about -

how long, long ago, this was used for mouth, TEETH (3/4 of way down). To learn more about that aspect & possible potential, I had to get a starting group of links gathered. Sharing the start to my search, in general:

ELECAMPANE - a few LINKS

http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/e/elecam07.html

Elecampane - from Botanical.com

Excerpt:

. . . Of late years, modern scientific research has proved that the claims of Elecampane to be a valuable remedy in pulmonary diseases has a solid basis. . . .

Where to find:

https://www.herb-pharm.com/products/product-detail/elecampane

Herb Pharm - Elecampane tincture

We prepare our Elecampane Extract from the root of Inula helenium plants which are Certified Organically Grown. Gluten Free.

To assure optimal extraction of Elecampane's bioactive compounds, the roots are hand-harvested only in their second-year of growth, are carefully shade-dried, and are then thoroughly extracted. . . .

Herb Pharm tinctures are also available through VitaCost.com, iHerb.com, various other web vendors and many natural foods markets / grocery / supplement stores.

https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/elecampane-root/profile

Mountain Rose Herbs - Certified Organic & Kosher Certified Elecampane Dried ROOT pieces - This form usually taken as a tea.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Elecampane

PubMed Search of medical literature

Elecampane - 21 abstracts - better results from search by its official herbal name:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Inula+helenium

Inula helenium - 68 abstracts

- one of those for starters:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23738457

Antioxidant and antimicrobial activities, and phenolic compounds of selected Inula species from Turkey. 2013


Typically, with any links set I post, I also add the detail about "How to Find a LL ND" so that a naturopathic doctor or acupuncturist can best guide herb selection. That links set is further up in this thread so no need to repost it.
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There is a particular kind of TURMERIC, not the typical longa (?) but a different strain that has had some mention it being good against babesia.

I had a full collection about this but lost it when my last computer died.

Often, there can be huge differences in how one strain varies from that of another, even for something in which the basic strain is so good such as with Turmeric / Curcumin.

Never settle for the basic strain of an herb if there is one that is more specific. Explore why one may be different than another and how that might matter, specifically.

Of course, as I recall, the better strain was not easy to find. So, there can be times when second best can still cover some bases.
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BINGO: Curcuma xanthorrhiza

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=102405;p=0

seibertneurolyme (Bea) posted this thread Dec. 2010

Topic: Curcumin (Turmeric) for Parasites and Babesia

In this thread, lululymemom posts:

"Stephen Buhner states that the herb, Curcuma xanthorrhiza, is specifically useful for Babesia."


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=058343;p=0

hardynaka (Selma) posted this thread Sept. 2007

Topic: Alternative BABESIA herbs
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