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This new system of treating all the blood with 3 ultraviolet frequencies through a fiber optic inserted into a vein for one hour sounds like it might work so wondering if anyone has tried it. thanks...
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- Not sure where you heard about it or how far you've delved. Be sure to ask an ILADS LLMD about anything - as they understand more fully how lyme works. It's very tricky.
Many have tried similar approaches where the blood has been removed, treated with UV light and filtered back into the body. While some felt better for a little while, most accounts did not experience substantial help.
This newer method at least seems much easier and less problematic but I don't see any research or real thought from the few sites I could find on it that explains they've really thought much about the specifics of borrelia.
The thing is that lyme does not really hang around in the blood but burrows very deep where circulation is not so great. It's impossible to "kill" lyme if just treating the circulating blood at one point in the blood stream.
This might be more helpful for some of the other tick borne infections, I wonder?
I'd also check as to what lyme literate ILADS doctors / researchers might have to say about this and they are the ones who really understand how lyme works and all the places it hides, and the various forms it morphs into and how those might also be affected, or not.
An ILADS LLMD might also have thoughts on if this might be of help with other TBD (tick borne disease) or other chronic stealth infections.
In addition to consulting an LL doctor, you might ask around at the lyme support groups near where this method is done and ask who has done this, and what kind of results they've seen, and then for months, a year or so afterward, too.
At this time, with the total for Ultraviolet UVLRx treatment at about $2,000 minimum for 10 sessions, plus travel to the few places that do this, etc.
As the life cycle rotation / consideration of lyme involves treating for at least 7 months to cover the replication cycles (according to one LLMD), I'm not sure the time of 10 sessions would consider that.
It would be a huge gamble and, knowing what I know about how lyme works (going so deep, even into bone), would not be willing to gamble unless, somehow, the light could somehow penetrate bone.
Other questions to explore: if it could affect the cystic form, Blebs, L-form and all variations - but they also are often very deep in the body.
Still, if it might help decrease some other infections, it might be worth exploring or asking ILADS researchers about.
I do like the idea of light. Light and color can have some tremendous effects. Just not so sure about it for lyme, in the way it's described at their main Facebook page. It's a very expensive gamble.
I'd also want to know what kinds of plastics are in the fiber optic line that would be in the blood stream for so long. But, that's also a concern of mine with any IV, the plastics involved.
All this is just my take on it, though, it would best if you consult an ILADS educated LLMD if you are interested in pursuing such approach. Be sure to find one who is more active in the research part of it. -
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- Oh, for others who may want to read more, for starters, Google:
Have you found other detail about this from "Third Parties" not directly selling it? If so, other links might be very helpful. The web links were a bit disappointing, I found them to be more like a sales pitch. Again, that's just my take. Wonder what others might have come across on this.
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- If you are new to lyme and looking for a different method to treat, one that will penetrate the body, you might want to consider getting a rife machine & find an ILADS educated LLMD &/or LL ND to help guide you with other key elements:
RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS -
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- If you do try the Ultraviolet UVLRx, it would still be best to have consulted an ILADS educated LLMD &/or LL ND so that all the bases can be covered, even if a different approach is taken.
I'm not sure as to if Ultraviolet UVLRx would cause any degree of killing of spirochetes or not (that would need to be clearer but perhaps possible if some are in the blood stream at that time of treatment and right there . . . while most spirochetes won't be in the bloodstream, a few might and it might be enough to trigger a herxheimer reaction)
so, with any killing or irritation of spirochetes, one has to be prepared with good liver support BEFORE and all through.
LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
Regarding other tick borne infections, similar precautions help (but just one comes to mind): if Babesia is involved, tender care of the spleen is vital. -
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- Another thing to consider if you do try the Ultraviolet UVLRx:
Be sure to avoid ibuprofen as that constricts blood vessels throughout the entire body and it just seems that it might interfere with whatever good this method might offer. -
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- Lyme also causes "stickiness" of the blood so blood flow is not the best, usually. If Ultraviolet UVLRx is to be tried, it might be best to first get a dark field microscope slide of blood (or other method) to look for Rouleaux, where RBC stack.
Babesia also has ramifications on the red blood cells.
And, as lyme / tick borne disease (TBD) causes so much inflammation throughout the body, some thought to how that affects blood flow seems wise, too.
It might best if some things can be managed beforehand. Most LLMDs and LL NDs have various methods to address this aspect.
No medical study or training for me, and this point may or may not matter. It just seems that it's a good question to ask first.
While it does not appear to me that Ultraviolet UVLRx has shown it can be effective treatment for lyme (yet?), there are some who may still do this - for whatever reasons. And, if so, it's always nice to have any possible obstacles first addressed so, whatever good it may do, it has some kind of chance.
Those who really understand thoroughly the way lyme works, and other TBD, too, are the best to think this through with you. That's why the suggestion for finding ILADS educated (and beyond) counsel. -
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So, doing a different search through Google Scholar for the kind of light they use against pathogens for that treatment, there are some articles but none as specific as I had hoped. Wonder if there are more out there, somewhere?
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This method of vitamin b2 and UV light is used (mostly in Europe) to "clean" the blood that is used for donation. It irreversibly inactivates most pathogens including bacteria, viruses, and protozoa. Unfortunateley, it also inactivates white blood cells, so may be a problem using this method to clean our blood while it's still inside of us!
quote:Originally posted by SickofLyme2: Unfortunateley, it also inactivates white blood cells, so may be a problem using this method to clean our blood while it's still inside of us!
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If you guys read German, this is the best article about UV and Vit D2 and D3.
A lot of myths on ultraviolet and on Vit D3. Pharma has a lot of interest in saying excess of Vit D3 is bad for you.
Using sunscreens has also doubtful effects on health. Or even sunglasses!!
People afraid of UV shall read more about it. And take your own conclusions!!!
Jeff Bowles, on Vit D3.
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Hubby's skin is extremely white, sensitive to sunlight and burns.
We always looked for expensive special sunscreens for him, but he ended up allergic to all products (he is 47 years old, you bet we tried a lot of things).
We spent a lot of money importing special sunscreens in the past.
About 2,3 years ago, he had to give up on all of them, as nothing fitted his skin type.
Well, since then, his sunburn problem stopped!
He goes slowly under the sun, 10 min a day in early spring, then slowly increase, and since then, he got a nice tan (not strong, but much better than when he was on sunscreens).
His skin is much better without sunscreen, no doubt.
He is an engineer, very much down to earth, and concluded on his own: sunscreen only harmed him all these years, instead of protecting him against the sun!!!
Sunscreen makes him burn, get red, then peel, and on top, he gets allergy to all of them, with the time.
He never touches sunscreen anymore. He doesn't peel, he doesn't get burns, his body accepts sunlight much better this way.
I have Asiatic skin. I used sunscreen before I had lyme. Since lyme, I never touched it anymore, and never get problem with sun.
I used to use sunscreen on my baby, before she had lyme.
Since I stopped using it (she was about 2 years old), I don't use on her anymore either. She's been totally sunscreen free for almost her whole life then. She'll be soon 12. She never had trouble with the sun, and has such a beautiful tan.
There are a lot of myths about sunlight being dangerous. If it were, how would we be on the planet today?
Sorry to go out of the topic UV. But I'm glad people are trying it. There is certainly potential there, I believe.
let us know how it goes for you!
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Bumping this up since it's been a while... anyone have experience with the UVLRx?
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I done uvb ..but in vein sounds tasty...Building a cheap version using germicidal bulb and fiber optic cable for use under tounge ..per claude plans on hw ..will keep ya posted ...
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