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DanP
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The tropical disease specialist called this am - all tests for all the Lyme related tbd's are negative

Except for two bands of igm

He's not a llmd so is perplexed

Any ideas?

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IgM for Borella, right (not for the other "Lyme related tbd's"?

Get your very own paper copy of the full test so you know which bands.

But any positive band on either the IgM or the IgG borellia test could absolutely indicate lyme, even if the CDC says the overall test is "negative" - that means very little.

They may be able to sent you that in an email.

It helps to know which bands, though, as some are more indictative than others.

the lab where it was done matters, too. Most labs don't even do all the bands.

That he is so easily dismissing it indicates that if you are not feeling well you should see an ILADS educated LLMD. Most tropical disease experts are aligned with the IDSA mindset and that is not at all properly lyme literate.

Though it's good that they consider other possibilities, in addition. Just don't count on him for lyme.

I'd also want to know what an ILADS educated LLMD would say about the labs used and the specific tests for "Lyme related tbd's"

There are various strains of each and testing not so cut & dried.

Good luck as you continue to figure all this out.
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In your recent post about electrical pain in back / legs, I wonder if cranial sacral therapy might help.

This method is careful - so with your disc issue it should work - take any images with you, first, of course.

There may be one in NYC and also on your insurance plan, I hope.


http://www.upledger.com/

UPLEDGER INSTITUTE - cranial sacral therapy

http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php#result

Locate a practitioner trained in this method
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http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/lymeseroneg.html

Reasons for False Negative (Seronegative) Test Results in Lyme Disease


http://drcharlescrist.net/testing-for-borreliosis.html

Testing for Borreliosis

Excerpts:

. . . The numbers on a Western blot such as 23, 31, 34 or 39 refer to how much that particular part of the bacteria weighs in kilodaltons.

The significant antibodies, in my opinion, are the 18, 23-25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 39, 59, 66 and 83-93. . . .

[paraphrasing: Explains that there are various strains of borellia, so testing often misses the mark when only one strain is tested at the lab.

poster's interjection: Even if you have not traveled to various states, birds that fly - and can carry ticks and drop them off - have and they often land in NYC, too.]

back to website: . . . The same is true for co-infections. The babesia in Missouri is called MO-1. It is a different babesia. There are different ehrlichia. It would appear there is a different bartonella. When you have different strains of germs, the test results may be falsely negative. . . .

[lots more detail here]
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Get a copy of your results. What bands?

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Pos.Bb culture 2012
Labcorp - no bands ever
Igenex - Neg. 4 times
With overall bands:
IGM 18,28,41,66 IND: 23-25,34,39
IGG 41,58 IND: 39
Bart H IGG 40

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So it turns out that it was North Shore labs (now called Northwell) that did the Lyme panel

and my positive IgM bands were 41 and 39
and my positive IgG band was 41

anyone?

DanP

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Band 39 is lyme-specific! If you are positive on that one, you have Borreliosis.

It is irrelevant that you had less than the 5 bands that the CDC claims you have to have to be positive.

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