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I am being prescribed Isoniazid and Rifampin for my Latent Tuberculosis.Caused by my damaged immune system from Lyme,(I no longer make enough NK cells to protect myself from anything.). Both of these meds are effective with co-infections.

It will be a 4 month course.I understand I must also take d3 and Dandelion as Milk Thistle is not recommended with Rifampin.

From what I have been reading I need too buckle in for a wild neuro/psych flair-up.

I just finished 10 weeks of IV Rocephin and Flagyl. Had to stop early because I started getting hives.

Have had Lyme for over 45 years.

Any insight are always appreciated.

God Bless

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Is this some new thing? My cousin has the same problem. (She also had Lyme)

I lasted 5 days on Rifampin, so I would just have to let nature take its course if I ever got this.

I hope your gut is ready. [Frown]

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Be sure to take k2 with the d3, it tells the body to deposit calcium in bones and teeth and away from blood vessels, organs, sort tissues, etc. K2 from MK-7 is the best form.

Not familiar with isoniazid but you might be surprised with rifampin. I was scared to death of taking it because of all the negative experiences reported with it. I have only felt better since I started it. I hope you have a similar experience. If possible it's best to ramp up to gauge reaction with it.

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http://www.rxlist.com/isoniazid-drug.htm

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Rifampin gives me nasty herx reactions, which means it's probably working. I've made progress since being on it along with other Lyme and cos meds

It has definitely not been a fun ride, but for me personally, I think it will help in the long run since I've already made progress.

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Also, a friend of mine took rifampin and has a love/ hate relationship with it too. It helped my friend, but gave my friend nasty herxes.

Keep fighting and hang in there. I will send positive vibes and pray for you.

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First came the low killer cells a year ago, then the TB about 3 months ago.

From my reading about 10% of the population has latent TB. It only becomes a problem when the immune system is damaged, as it might become active TB. So in the Immune compromised it must be treated.

Thanks for all your support!

I will fight on and beat this thing to a pulp!

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I got that problem during lyme. Very bad, not latent but very active!!!

Mine came from a TB vaccine, probably. Sanum literature speaks about TB here in Europe. Very common, passed by the mother's side.

Very hard to eradicate, but I managed. ABX didn't help, only homeopathic nosodes did the trick for me. I had joint TB.

I heard of another lady who had TB in the eyes, also due to chronic lyme. Very hard to eradicate, but she got well after intensive treatment (I think she also did only homeopathics). She used to post here in the past.

What are your TB symptoms?

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Does anyone know why they stopped doing TB tests? Just wondering.

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Mine is not active. Thus I am told I have no symptoms, thus latent TB.

It came back on a test from my new ID doc. He just ran everything under the sun blood work.

He said that 10% of the population has latent TB. I have also seen this in my own research.

It also says that in those with auto-immune issues need to be treated, as the TB can become active in those with poor immune health. I don't make enough NK cells. So I am all in to treat this until I test negative.

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I was told i have latent TB as well last year. However they do not treat latent TB here in Europe.

Every year i get horrible cough in winter with chest congestion and mucus and all however as soon as winter finishes it goes away.

I am not sure what defines if one has it active or not. I have so many neurological symptoms but can it be TB or is it always Lyme to blame. You just never know.

God knows how i can fight and maintain good health but i feel its just going bad.

How can one tell they have TB in eyes?

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Where are you in Europe? You can find nosodes in many countries, or Sanum nosodes to start. Easy to treat, no side effects. The worse that can happen is that they do not work.

Cost is very low.

I treated mine with nosodes I bought at Meripharm, in Germany, if I am not mistaken.

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For any of you who may have acquired tb after getting lyme or had it activated due to lyme. What were your symptoms??

I have taken such a nose dive of late. I rarely leave the house.

I am trying to think of anything that could be causing this latest horror of symptoms.

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I have been tested a number of times for this due to a mistake a nurse made in 2009. She accidentally injected me with the serum used to test you for TB (PPD) when I was supposed to be getting a flu shot. [Frown] To make things worse, this was about 5 times the amount you would get with the TB test.

I have always tested negative since then for TB, but I do wonder if it is related to me becoming chronically ill. Perhaps it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I have not received anymore flu shots since this time.

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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tuberculosis/symptoms-causes/dxc-20188557

Complications of TB

Without treatment, tuberculosis can be fatal.

Untreated active disease typically affects your lungs, but it can spread to other parts of your body through your bloodstream.

Examples of tuberculosis complications include:


Spinal pain. Back pain and stiffness are common complications of tuberculosis.

Joint damage. Tuberculous arthritis usually affects the hips and knees.

Swelling of the membranes that cover your brain (meningitis). This can cause a lasting or intermittent headache that occurs for weeks.
Mental changes also are possible.

Liver or kidney problems. Your liver and kidneys help filter waste and impurities from your bloodstream.

These functions become impaired if the liver or kidneys are affected by tuberculosis.


Heart disorders. Rarely, tuberculosis can infect the tissues that surround your heart, causing inflammation and fluid collections that may interfere with your heart's ability to pump effectively. This condition, called cardiac tamponade, can be fatal.

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Symptoms of TB

Although your body may harbor the bacteria that cause tuberculosis, your immune system usually can prevent you from becoming sick.

For this reason, doctors make a distinction between:

Latent TB.

In this condition, you have a TB infection, but the bacteria remain in your body in an inactive state and cause no symptoms.

Latent TB, also called inactive TB or TB infection, isn't contagious.

It can turn into active TB, so treatment is important for the person with latent TB and to help control the spread of TB.

An estimated 2 billion people have latent TB.
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Active TB. This condition makes you sick and can spread to others. It can occur in the first few weeks after infection with the TB bacteria, or it might occur years later.


Signs and symptoms of active TB include:


Coughing that lasts three or more weeks

Coughing up blood

Chest pain, or pain with breathing or coughing

Unintentional weight loss

Fatigue

Fever

Night sweats

Chills

Loss of appetite

Tuberculosis can also affect other parts of your body, including your kidneys, spine or brain.

When TB occurs outside your lungs, signs and symptoms vary according to the organs involved.

For example, tuberculosis of the spine may give you back pain, and tuberculosis in your kidneys might cause blood in your urine.

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for myself, I only had it in the joints, PRETTY bad.

I remember I had fevers, headaches, my liver/ kidney were affected, no more hunger, I felt like dying fast.

I even took ABX as I was starting to be scared. I tried all herbs I had, to no avail. ABX didn't make me better either. Not even changed anything.

It was much worse than lyme. At least, with lyme, things change after herbs or abx.

What cured me fast were TB nosodes from the oral TB vaccine I took as a child. Not even normal nosodes did the trick, even though I think they helped a bit.

I didn't have lung symptoms, that I remember. Most on the joints, so badly the skin opened and I had exposed finger joints, with awful white pus coming out. It was horror story.

A lady here in lymenet said she had it in her head and her eyes got severely affected. She also got better with nosodes, if my memory is good.

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After having been around a friend who coughs non stop and is very thin and sickly I am scared my sudden decline could be tb.

They will not acknowledge that they are unhealthy in any way and put it to smoking.

I have become much weaker and my heart is always racing and doing all kinds of weird stuff. I can't do more than walk from my house to my car. no more shopping.

i am not coughing or coughing up blood or having lung pain.

Could it be tb? what is the best test?

Does the skin test have any dangers?

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There is a blood test you can have that is done by LabCorp - Quantiferon TB Gold. One of my LLMD's ordered this blood test after she learned how I had been accidentally injected with the PPD serum. Mine was negative.
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Dbpei, when you say PPD serum do u mean what they do for the skin test? Can that give you TB?
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No, gigimac. I don't think that the PPD serum can normally give anyone TB. It was just that in my case, I had been accidentally injected with an amount that is several times the amount of PPD serum you are supposed to get in the skin for the TB test.

I was supposed to be getting a flu shot in my arm, and the nurse used PPD serum instead. Because it seems many of my symptoms of Lyme started in the few years after this, my LLMD thought it might be a good idea to do the other TB test just to make sure it wasn't TB that was keeping me sick.

I think if I had TB germ at the time, this might have made things worse. But I tested negative.

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My lyme symptoms came after having two tb skin test too...quanteferon gold was negative but it is a little coincidental. Is there a place to get nosodes in the states?

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http://www.chroniclymedisease.com/deseret-homeopathic-series-lyme

An additional benefit of working with a health care practitioner who prescribes Deseret remedies is the fact that Deseret also produces remedies for several of the co-infections commonly associated with Lyme Disease.

In addition to the Borrelia Burgdorferi remedy, Deseret produces remedies for:

Valley Fever
Bartonella
Brucellosis
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Candida
Chlamydia
HPV
Coxackie
Cytomegalovirus
Epstein Barr
Giardia
Hepatitis
Herpes

Tuberculosis

Mycobacteria
Nanobacteria
Parvovirus
Toxoplasmosis

This list was taken directly from Deseret company literature.

Deseret also produces remedies for various viruses, urinary/respiratory tract infections, arthritis, and general bacteria.

The practitioner you work with will be able to prescribe to you all of these remedies.

Most of these remedies (including the Lyme Disease remedy we’ve talked about) are formulated as series remedies, which simply means that they are administered in a series of separate doses, each increasing in strength.

Doses are typically given one week apart, or longer if herx reactions necessitate additional recovery time.


Expect to have significant herx reactions during use of homeopathic remedies.

These remedies are powerful and elicit true, authentic physiological responses inside the body.

Educate yourself on how to properly deal with herx reactions.

Further information on the topic of herx reactions can be found in my two books and elsewhere in Lyme Disease literature.


Homeopathy is one of the most powerful, non-toxic, and high-value treatments in the world.

Do not overlook homeopathy as an important part of your treatment program.

While the other treatments we look at in this article merely help stimulate general healing processes in the body, homeopathy goes further and actually induces the body to respond specifically to the threat at hand.

Most immune supporting supplements attempt to activate the immune system externally, while homeopathy intrinsically stimulates the immune system to engage.


There are several new Lyme Disease homeopathic remedies on the market, and I will endeavor to research them and produce articles on them as soon as possible.

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This is interesting. Maybe alot of people have the latent form due to vaccines?
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Sorry Sparkle, I missed your question...

I have no idea, but my TB healed by the TB vaccine nosode.

I read once that that sort of latent TB is inside most of us though.

Look at this Sanum product : Polysan T

10 ml liquid dilution contain: Medically active substance: 10 ml Spengler colloid T 9X according to Dr. Carl Spengler with antigens from

Mycobacterium tuberculosis typus humanus,

Mycobacterium tuberculosis typus brevis,

Mycobacterium tuberculosis typus bovinus,

Diplococcus pneumoniae,

Streptococcus mucosus as well as with the respective antitoxins from the blood of highly immunized rabbits.

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How do the Sanum people recognize if a person has had contact with the microbes?

For diagnosis: A drop of the blood (of the patient) to be tested is mixed with a drop of the Polysan antigens specified for the particular testing.

Macroscopically and microscopically visible agglutination occurs in the case of antigen-antibody reaction.

At the same time, the degree of agglutination is an indicator of the level of antibody titer.

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So they simply put a drop of blood of anyone, then with this Polysan T. They can see if you got antigen-antibody reaction, probably meaning, either you (or your mother, grandmother) had contact with the microbe.

It seems the antigen-antibody can be passed through the womb by the mother side.

I read long ago about TB in the SAnum literature, and it seems that some populations (like Europeans in general) react positively to these TB products.

Polysan T is one of the most used products from these Polysan series.

I don't think blood agglutination indicates active TB.

In the Sanum literature, they say Polysans clear latent infections, toxic information from the immune system (past infections 'signs')...

Have you ever noticed that the first time you get an infection, it takes time for it to develop. The second time, it goes MUCH faster. That may have to do with that 'toxic information left by previous pathogens', I suppose....

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