LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Bionic880/pe1 group

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Bionic880/pe1 group
katrinab
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 30330

Icon 1 posted      Profile for katrinab     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Someone mentioned before that there was a bionic 880 and pe1 yahoo group. What is the name of it? I searched bionic 880 and pe-1 both and no groups came up. I'm looking to join some sort of group where I can discuss how to use the machine
Posts: 723 | From boston,ma | Registered: Jan 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
there used to be a group, I think in yahoo... sorry, I do not know any today.

you can post your question here, I know the PE1, and sixgkids knows the Bionic.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Katrina and Brussels: I have a question. In 2012

I went to Germany and had great success. Came back

and treated with nosodes and blood for two years

but plateaued. I then went on to rife with some

success. What is the thought on alternating rife

with the Bionic? I know Brussels, you are an expert.

Thank you all..... You are a team I am blessed to have.

[Smile] WBT

Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I sent you a pm WBT
Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
willbeatthis, I just wouldn't do them at the same time.

The photons work on the borrelia, perhaps you're missing another piece of the puzzle. I had many other things to address before and after photons, but photons are all I used for the borrelia infection once I discovered them.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
sixgoofykids / willbeathis > Did you herx from using photons + nosodes? I'm trying to wrap my head around how they might work.

With Rife it seems fairly straightforward in that the frequencies kill the bacteria and you herx. Eventually the bacteria are mostly eliminated and the herxing subsides.

With homeopathic treatments that seem to result in symptom reduction without major herxing would this mean the Borrelia remain in the person but are dormant?

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Project: I had some major herxing. My

understanding is the homeopathic nosodes tell the

body what it needs to fight (recognize). The

photons then go in and help the immune

system do just that. I did do a lot of herxing

however. It was effective for me for quite

sometime. It is possible I did not give

it long enough and have enough knowledge about

homeopathy. I think it is a good treatment.

Six Goofy had wonderful success and helped me

tremendously (thanks again!) in my journey.

The new Rosner book explains it pretty well.

Freedom from Lyme Disease. I like it a lot!

Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
No, it's not really herxing. Your body does the work, the photons make it stronger (increses ATP) and the nosodes direct the body to the bacteria.

In Germany, he had stronger nosodes that he could use in his office only (we couldn't take them out of the office), he said they were only legal here in a specialty laboratory (we're not sure what they were). Because they worked so strongly, he gave us detox IVs right after treatment. We were also told to drink at least a liter of water with treatment.

It's not really known how they work. One theory is that it makes the bacteria so it's not pathogenic anymore. We carry around lots of bacteria/viruses that at one time made us sick (chicken pox, strep, etc.) that are no longer causing symptoms.

I think it's a combination of killing off bacteria and making our bodies take charge so the bacteria is no longer acting as a pathogen.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks, I've got some nosodes now but have been making progress with Rife so haven't really dedicated enough time to try them out fully.

It is tempting to pursue a treatment that doesn't involve a ton of herxing as it is so painful. The herxes from Rife have been particularly bad, I think because it kills neuroborrelia very effectively. They have been lessening as I've continued using it though.

On the other hand I'm a little leery that by using nosodes I'm effectively making a deal with the devil and leaving all the Borrelia in me.

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I don't see it that way at all. Nothing will ever get rid of every little bit of it. We carry all kinds of bacteria in our body that doesn't make us sick.

The Bionic gave my immune system the tools it needed to fight it by itself. My immune system is stronger than any drug I could take and the Bionic helped it to figure out how to treat Lyme and gave it the strength to do so.

At any rate, it doesn't matter to me how it works. I haven't had to deal with borrelia since 2009.

You have nosodes .... do you also have a Bionic or PE1?

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I don't have either. Was looking into just building an infrared LED array as it seems people use the PE1 just leaving the LEDs on without any frequencies. I tried using the nosodes just using a simple infrared bulb which appeared to cover the same spectrum as the PE1.

I don't know if those devices are contributing anything beyond just infrared light, but if they do I'm not sure what it could be.

I guess I just understand the herxing method of killing Borrelia and eliminating it from the body. My Rife machine makes me herx in exactly the same way as essential oils do, over the same number of days. I know I can't get rid of it entirely but at some point Rife users seem to stop herxing and only run it occasionally to prevent relapsing.

Maybe using photons + nosodes at that point would be a good approach instead.

I guess I also feel like actually killing the Borrelia forces the body to get into biofilm pockets and clear it out and you end up with better terrain overall. What issues were still remaining for you to address after using the photons?

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The photons don't address rebuilding gut bacteria, so I had to work with probiotics for that. I also had to address parasites separately. As well as taking supplements for MTHFR and other detoxification issues. And I worked on my histamine issues. Exercise, sleep, balanced play/work/rest. Basically, rebuilding the terrain in my body, like you mentioned in your post. Just killing infection leaves you with the same body that got sick .... I wanted to change my body so that I truly got well.

The Bionic and PE1 are much stronger than an infared light bulb and they have a specific type of infrared light (near infrared at 880 nm). There is neither heat nor visible light from the Bionic. Plus, with the bionic we used frequencies (I thought people did with the PE1, too, but Brussels would know). We hold the light right on the skin at specific acupuncture points.

Again, the photons strengthen the immune system which kills the bacteria.The photons tap into the immune system, which is the strongest defense we have. Does some remain? Yes, most likely, just like with rife, antibiotics or any other method, excpet in this case the immune system knows how to handle it without any maintenance. I used the Bionic monthly for a year after I needed it out of fear. Eventually my fear subsided and I haven't used it since except for maybe when I've gotten some kind of illness.

Use whatever works for you. If rife is working, keep with it. But don't think that photons are a lesser method.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Six: Thank you for sharing your experience and

all of your expert information. I am not as

learned at all of this though I am trying. You

would think after this many years, I would be

closer to where I want to be. Thank you for setting the

record straight here.

I by no means think Photons are the lesser

method. I am sorry if I gave that impression.

I am actually just trying to figure out if I

can weave the two together. As you said,

the Bionic is exceptional at equipping the

immune system and that is tremendous.

Thank you again, Six Goofy for your contribution

to me and so many.... I am grasping in fullness

the truth of your belief that we have to rebuild

or we will stay sick. I think I have done some

of that.... but not all of that. Exercise is

lacking for me and I know in my head that is key

and Dr. B said it was crucial. Thank you for

being a light to us all Six. Blessings....

Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
anuta
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 22646

Icon 1 posted      Profile for anuta     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Based on my own experiece and as Brussels had told me in the beginning of my photons escapade, if you have Babesia photons and nosodes will not get rid of it. It kills it though, as I herxes a lot, but it will not eradicate it.

In case of borrelia, bartonella I think it works very well.

Posts: 443 | From Montreal, Canada | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
willbeatthis, I was answering a comment that project made. I'm sorry you thought it was directed to you. I usually use the quote feature, I don't know why I didn't this time!

At one point early in my recovery, I think exercise may have been soley responsible for keeping me healthy. I do think it's a big deal.

I like Pilates. Much of it is done lying down, which takes gravity out of the equation. That's really good for bad days. Pilates can also be extremely challenging, so works on good days as well.

I hope you get to where you want to be soon!

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
HI guys... with photons and dr. W's protocol, you reach a certain point, in my opinion, with lower borrelia LOAD.

But if you still have symptoms, you got to look further: the borrelia antigens through photons eliminated some symptoms.

Other last remaining tick coinfections need different treatments (herbs, homeopathy, I don't remember all stuff I took). There were not many coinfections left after borrelia went dormant.

Project: I see you are still stuck with the idea of NUMBERS of pathogens. Whatever you use to KILL pathogens that is physical (abx, rife, herbs), these will do only to an extent, not to 100%. Never to 100%.

Every time you AGGRESS a pathogen with stronger killers, they will FIGHT BACK. Buhner explains that well: if someone comes with great guns against you, your family, you take the guns and fight back, with aggressiveness.

That is how i felt my body reacted when I took killers, be them abx, rife or herbal killers.

Anyway, the END is done by your immune system. It has to be the immune system, as nothing physical can reach and kill all pathogens in all stages of life.

Photons is JUST DEALING with your immune system. Solely. It is not aggressively killing borrelia, even though it feels a bit like that, some times (due to slow herxes).

Just think the following; that MOST people have borrelia inside them, WITHOUT ANY SYMPTOMS.

Do you believe that your body has MORE FOREIGN CELLS than YOUR HUMAN cells? What are all these foreign beings doing inside you, if not creating an ecossystem that has GOOD BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS?

Only your body, your immune system can know what to do, intelligently.

Meaning, to let some good pathogens thrive, kill others. ABX and Rife CANNOT do that.

People doing diet, exercises, detoxing, meditation, acupuncture, taking teeth off, biomat guys, oxygenation people (with ozone or hyperbaric chambers) will have middle and long term MORE SUCCESS and long lasting success than you guys concentrating on killing.

Just see the desperate posts here on lymenet about how abx lead you to no cure, long term, and you'll get it.

Just get a new bite, and all starts again, if you only concentrate on killing. The immune system is still bad, so you got to re-start from ZERO again!

that is not what I wanted. Or I could not afford that, my body was too weak, and I get constantly bitten. And so does my daughter. She just got a bite YESTERDAY again.

Of course we need killers and rife etc. But they aren't central. The number of pathogens will fall when THEY (pathogens) decide they lost the war and will keep quiet. Until then, they are actively colonizing all your body.

If you read Herbal Antibiotics from Buhner you'll already understand how the killing approach is NO USE to bacteria. They are highly intelligent. Not only that, they adapt and they are our ancestors. Without them, we wouldn't be here.

I think photons + homeopathy will only 'tell' your immune system that borrelia exists in your body, as Six said. 'Watch Borrelia', that is what it says.

Possibly, the body will produce substances that Borrelia does not like. It may change the inner milieu, so that it is less attractive to borrelia. It may expose borrelia to more macrophages, because it 'woke up' to borrelia.

By doing MORE than only killing, it may dis-encourage borrelia to grow, reproduce. that is how I see.

you are looking for killers, but you know that a generation of borrelia is just a few hours. Killers cannot do much if they continue to reproduce!

if your body starts to change the inner milieu, and allow immune cells to dis-activate some borrelia, maybe even kill them, well, that is how borrelia decides to stay dormant and not cause you symptoms.

Forget about eliminating NUMBERS. You will DIE with borrelia, Project. I mean, with borrelia bacteria inside you, active or inactive.

Like almost literally EVERY PERSON in the area I live (near the Black forest). These people don't even believe in Borrelia because they live symptomless!

Like you never looked into the zillions of bacteria that are HELPFUL to you, and you don't give any single thoughts to them, well, people here in my area are 90% borrelia positive, by weternblot standards, but symptomless.

the live and die with borrelia inside, without knowing it.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Brussels,

I agree that with a healthy immune system a person can get bit and never have an issue because their immune system never lets the Borrelia multiply.

It's a different story when dealing with a collapsed immune system and a body that Borrelia has taken over. Yes the immune system needs to be rebuilt but I'm not convinced that it alone can clean up the mess of Borrelia and biofilm.

I think at this point the body is like a superfund site (US term for extremely toxic area that needs special cleanup). In order to get the body to a point where natural processes can truly keep it well, a major cleanup and excavation needs to take place first.

In my opinion this work needs to involve biofilm busting and killing. I bought a Violet Ray based on your report. After using it for a while I've come to the conclusion that the main effect it has is to disrupt biofilm and this is what causes the massive amount of detoxing when using it.

I'm almost 100% certain of this as I have done a lot of biofilm removal over the years using essential oils and enzymes. The detoxing from the Violet Ray is exactly the same as when I've cleared biofilm with other methods. I also found some research that indicates that biofilm doesn't like electrical current, which is what the Violet Ray delivers.

At 10:38 in the video the interviewee says: "Biofilms don't like DC current, and they don't like ultrasound at certain frequencies"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_DWNFFgHbE

So I guess I'm just not sure what the point of achieving remission from Lyme using photons + nosodes is if there is still all sorts of toxic biofilm in the body harboring all sort of infection.

What I'm trying to do is clean up the mess that Borrelia has made in my body over the 20 years it was allowed free reign. To me this means killing it wherever it is and stripping out all the toxic biofilm.

To me using photons + nosodes at this point is like telling my immune system, hey, here's a picture of the pilot who dropped the nuclear bomb that created this post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Your teeth is FULL of biofilms.

Your gut is full of them, not from borrelia only, from other critters. Are you worried about these biofilms?

Or are you worried about your lyme symptoms?

Let's say, I still have full of biofilms (from candida, for sure), from Streptococus in my mouth, like everyone eating any Western food, well, do I care about these biofilms if they cause me no symptoms?

No, I care about them because I have candida on and off.

Same as you: you just think about biofilm (that MANY bacteria, candida produce), just because of borrelia.

Because borrelia causes symptoms.

Suppose you have no lyme disease.

What thoughts would you give to Borrelia biofilms?

None. I don't have lyme for the last 7 years now.

Do I have biofilms from Borrelia? Very probably. L-forms, cysts?: for SURE yes.

They cause no symptoms. Do I then treat cysts etc? Nope. I let them where they are, if they do not harm me, I do not harm them.

If they start waking up, well, you can bet I'll try to do something about them again.

-----------------------------

What thoughts have you given to all other biofilm producing bacteria and candida that builds biofilms in your body, since you were born, probably?

I never gave them any thought before I fell sick with lyme.

The only treatment, in my opinion, that can deal with biofilms, cysts, L-forms, adult borrelia, and stop them reproducing, and causing you disease, is a treatment that steers your immune system to look at borrelia.

Because no matter WHEN they come back to life again from biofilms or from wall-deficient to normal adult borrelia spirochetal cells, well, my immune system is still present, watching them.

so I do not worry, for the moment. It's been 7 years of white flag.

If they are in biofilms, but not outside, causing you problems: why care?

If they are in L-forms, inactive or in cysts, inactive, causing no symptoms: why care?

If you arrive to clean your body from all borrelia, in all forms, you'll be the first person ever to succeed that, in this planet.

Symptomless people do not become Borrelia free.

They are only lyme free.

Where did you hear that one can get rid of all Borrelia for good?

I don't think there is a single doctor or researcher that said that. Not to my knowledge.

The violet ray does not kill, as you said. But it is the only thing that keeps my teeth strong, so far.

How is it with the Spooky 2? Can it also improve your immune system, you feel?

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yes, I forgot to say, of course you need to kill, to some extent, in an emergency situation.

but if you ONLY think of killing, you may realize, you are going for a lost war. Unfortunately, only time tells.

People catching lyme in the 80s got rid of it somewhat easily with killers only.

the 90s too, to a lesser extent.

if you caught it after 2000, there are less and less success stories with killer-only approach. All these guys, if bitten again, have to start from zero again.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The amount of bacteria you are talking about, it is only an image. You kill some today, but not all, and tomorrow, you have a 2nd till 4th generation borrelia.

what you aimed to kill in one day, they die on their own in about 10-12 hours (if my memory is good, that is the life span of borrelia...). Quite long for bacteria.

There is no fixed numbers to aim at and kill, like you aim at populations in war.

You kill some, not all, these remaining ones will reproduce more than usual to replace the lost members. Next day, you have a TOTAL brand new army.

If you don't kill them, but stop their reproduction, you get zero borrelia in 10-12 hours!!

It's the reproduction that needs to be stopped.

Sort of changing the milieu, the toxic milieu, can do that according to dr. Rau. They simply do not want to be in places they do not feel good.

If reproduction does not stop, borrelia go to cysts, to biofilms... Then when you stop the killing guns, they come back again!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well I am worried about dental biofilms because I believe that my main remaining issue is some dental focal infections. I think these infections are a mix of Borrelia and other bacteria. When I target the Borrelia with Rife frequencies it kills some of them. Then during the herx the immune system goes in and starts to attack the other bacteria in this spot and clear them out.

This is what I have noticed all along during treatment. Killing treatments often stimulate the immune system to start to recognize the invaders and further attack them. This principle is used when trying to get a positive Lyme test by taking antimicrobials beforehand to kick start the immunity and generate some antibodies.

So it's not as simple as simple a matter as killing or trying to restore immune function. Killing Borrelia itself stimulates the immune system through the principle I just mentioned, as well as getting rid of some of the immunosuppressing effect that comes with each Borrelia bacterium.

I agree that many have focused on killing treatments such as antibiotics and failed, and so there is this bias on the forums against these approaches. What is overlooked is that many people have previously failed on body strengthening and immune boosting treatments beforehand.

Many people tried these types of approaches to try to fix their health before they managed to get a Lyme diagnosis. I know I certainly did. I tried every conceivable diet, all sorts of immune boosting supplements with zero effect. The thing that did kick start my immune system was killing a bunch of Borrelia with essential oils.

I think the numbers of bacteria do matter. You're effectively saying that since we can't eliminate 100% of bacteria we should just throw up our hands in the air and admit defeat, and not try to get rid of any of them.

"B. burgdorferi is very slow growing, with a doubling time of 12–18 hours"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease_microbiology

I think people's immune systems differ in their ability to suppress Lyme & co. It's very likely that people that have traditionally lived in the vicinity of the Black Forest have a genetic predisposition to immunity to Borrelia. Not everyone in the world is the same.

What I do see is that many people seem to not fully treat Borrelia and get the numbers down enough. By leaving excess biofilm in the system I think it means your immune system will constantly be stressed.

Maybe the person is strong enough to deal with that now, but what if a major stressor occurs? What happens when as they age and their immune function decreases? By more completely eliminating the biofilm and focal infections, you reduce the risk of relapse and also the need for expensive surgery to eliminate lingering infections in the mouth.

There could easily be downsides to leaving a lot of Borrelia in your system and telling your immune system to focus on it by using nosodes. You may be simply allowing some other pathogen to grow more easily. The immune system only has so much capacity.

My goal is to try to ease the burden it has as much as possible by eliminating excess pathogens and biofilm while also trying to live as healthily as possible to rebuild extra capacity.

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by project:

I think the numbers of bacteria do matter. You're effectively saying that since we can't eliminate 100% of bacteria we should just throw up our hands in the air and admit defeat, and not try to get rid of any of them.

Brussels and I haven't done this at all. We are both living the lives of a healthy person. As we have both said, the numbers do come down with photon treatment. The borrelia that is left, as with any treatment, are not making us sick. Neither of us has admitted defeat. We stick around to help others.

quote:

What I do see is that many people seem to not fully treat Borrelia and get the numbers down enough. By leaving excess biofilm in the system I think it means your immune system will constantly be stressed.

I've been well for almost 7 years now. Based on my reaction to viruses I'm exposed to while teaching Pilates, I'd say my immune system is very strong and not stressed. I took triphala to help heal my gut. It is known to break up biofilm. If it did, I didn't have any symptoms from it as my immune system killed off the released bacteria. No way to know for sure.

quote:
Maybe the person is strong enough to deal with that now, but what if a major stressor occurs? What happens when as they age and their immune function decreases? By more completely eliminating the biofilm and focal infections, you reduce the risk of relapse and also the need for expensive surgery to eliminate lingering infections in the mouth.
I'm over 50. Haven't had any of these issues. I'm aging and I have had major stressors.

quote:
There could easily be downsides to leaving a lot of Borrelia in your system and telling your immune system to focus on it by using nosodes. You may be simply allowing some other pathogen to grow more easily. The immune system only has so much capacity.

My goal is to try to ease the burden it has as much as possible by eliminating excess pathogens and biofilm while also trying to live as healthily as possible to rebuild extra capacity.

This is why I used blood nosodes, to get rid of any other pathogens that I might not know about that are specific to me. Strengthening my body and immune system made me well.

I'm really glad that what you're doing seems to be helping you. Brussels and I have both been well for going on 7 years. We share our knowledge to help others. You keep bringing up the same point - that photons don't kill pathogens. It is not true.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yes, Project, you are right: diminishing the number of pathogens helps the immune system kick in! Of course, you need some anti infectious treatments.

But ALSO eliminating herxes (die off), and liver toxins, gut toxins, heavy metals, food allergens, other chemical allergens, sleeping well,..

... exercise, acupuncture, cleaning your teeth, mouth, taking binders will help the immune system EVEN further than simply killing.

So, I'm sure you are going to the right path, in the long term (when you say you try to live as healthy as possible).
--------------------------------------

When you kill (no matter with which approach), you leave empty space in the ecology, and another pathogen will come in.

It is the law of the jungle!

What you are doing using Rife, is doing exactly that: killing one pathogen, letting empty space for others to fill the gap.

It is the way things are. It's not due to photons, or abx or rife.

Kill one, get others to come and take the place.

I've seen that here, through the years, kill babesia, get bartonella symptoms.

Kill bart, get borrelia symptoms.

Kill mycoplasma, get other crazy virus infection. Or candida. And so on. It's endless. I've been through that too, of course.

Just see the guys using Rife, doing frequency after frequency, one on top of the other and many REMAINING with symptoms despite YEARS, even more than a decade of rifing! Some of them gotta keep rifing forever.

This means, despite years of killing, the immune system STILL cannot deal with borrelia and coinfections.

Even though many rife people go back to live their lives (despite still rifing).

So it does look like your theory of lowering the number of pathogens works to a point, but not 100% elimination of lyme to everyone.
---------------------------------------

Do you think I use Borrelia nosodes with photons every month? Every year? Nope. Not even every year.

It's hard to believe, but I do not treat lyme anymore, for 7 years. And I remain lyme free.

Do you think I treat my daughter, just in case, with borrelia nosodes + photons? No way! We're done with that long ago.

she did get a short relapse about 2 times, but I treated her about 10 minutes every time. So in 7 years, she got 20 minutes of lyme treatment.

I'm reaching 50 in a couple of months. I'm not that young anymore... It's not the age that is helping me!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You said I leave pathogens grow as they want?

If I could afford that, yep. But I can't.

If I leave lyme active, I just cannot function. I become about 10% of what I am now.

If I left my dead teeth, I would lose all the other live ones, one by one. I had to pull them off.

With or without lyme, dead teeth = no immune system = harboring pathogens.

I'm not talking about lyme, as it is a common problem to all people with dead teeth.

So no way, I try to avoid infections.

But if the infection is not active (like Herpes, candida, borrelia), I do not treat it because I am not sick! As simple as that!

----------------

Anyone ONCE with lyme will live with the possibility of RELAPSING.

You won't eliminate that fate, Project, no matter what you do.

Just keep reading and bring us any evidence you find that is opposite to that.

It would be good news, but I've been reading about lyme longer than you, I suppose...

And also, in my case, what do I do every new tick bite? Go for all tick born Rife frequencies my whole life?

Counting my pathogens? Fighting them forever?

I just got my tick bite number 3 just this year! My daughter, her 2nd bite, and she killed a tick on her skin before it bit her yesterday, in our garden.

Does it mean, I am leaving pathogens grow?
Not at all.

As long as I do not feel sick, I do not treat.
I let the job to my immune system.

If I don't fall sick after tick bites, I simply look exactly like all my neighbors, that are bitten as much as we are.

They never treat, they didn't get sick so far. All ages. Old and young. The couple living in my house before us, lived to almost 100!
--------------------------


Rifing is efficient (you herx), as abx is efficient (you herx), as herbs are efficient (you herx), but they do not always solve the problem of chronic infections coming in and staying.

Critters may be STILL multiplying, staying, despite years of herxes.

Herxes do not mean improvement! Not necessarily.

You can herx forever, using any killing method you choose. Rife, herbs, currents, cleaning biofilms...


when I use the violet ray I do not feel crap anymore, but in the beginning, I felt crap.

Tired. Then after, came more energy.

whatever it is doing (detox, biofilm break), if I feel better with the weeks, months, I know it is helpful for keeping me out of disease (weak teeth).

My teeth is somehow the proof I need. They feel better, stronger.

What I care, is to be functioning, feeling well, most of the time.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If you understand how candida works, it could change the whole way you see these pathogens!

the SAME candida that is beneficial to your gut CHANGES to become PATHOGENIC. And you can see it in the microscope.

It becomes a horrid critter, that harms.
Even the shape of candida in the microscope is scary.

But in the beneficial form, it is non-aggressive, cooperative, a total different shape!

Google Enderlein, candida, pleomorphism.

How to deal with these 'mutations', is the million dollar question. Why do they mutate suddenly? Why do they go back to beneficial form?

Borrelia is similar to candida, in my view, as it has different forms. When it loses its cell wall, it becomes inert.

I think of Borrelia like candida: when in 'neutral' forms, either it does nothing or is being helpful; .... if in pathogenic forms (active Borrelia, pathogenic candida), it causes us disease and must be addressed.

------------------
Streptococus mutans makes biofilms in your teeth (that is why you got to go to the dentist to clean them off).

Your sinuses are full of biofilms.

Just let a flower in the vase for 1 day, next day, you got quite some biofilm in the water. In one week, it gets jellied, you can pick it up with a spoon. Biofilms!

Your gut has loads of biofilms from candida and other critters.

The slime on fruits and raw meat, is what? Biofilms! We eat these biofilms daily.

Borrelia is just one bacteria that produces biofilms, among many others.

Hubby has loads of teeth biofilms, but he never cleans them at the dentist. He's almost 50 too.

His teeth are so healthy, compared to mine, that are almost biofilm free (as much as I can clean them).

Cleaning biofilms does not NECESSARILY mean, having healthy teeth. That is FOR SURE!!!

He never lost a tooth, never did root canals, only had a couple of small cavities his whole life.

I lost 7 teeth, 13 teeth had cavities. It's a big difference! We are almost same age.

Less teeth biofilm didn't mean less infections.

--------------------

Project, we have no lyme symptoms.

What do you mean by saying that I leave Borrelia grow as it wants?

My lyme doctor declared me lyme free exactly 7 years ago, like Six. Daughter and I.

I've been well too for exactly 7 years now, and so is my daughter.

I swear, it was photons who made us STOP RELAPSING.

Before, with herbs, microcurrent etc, we could reach remission only shortly.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
project
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 46200

Icon 1 posted      Profile for project     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm not saying that photons + nosodes don't kill Borrelia. They certainly must to some extent. I guess to me the evidence suggests that they have more of a suppressive effect than a clearing effect.

I spent the past year Rifing and the amount of herxing from it was unbelievable. Rife seems to hit Borrelia in the brain that no other treatment I have done really managed to get rid of.

I had made a lot of progress on a lot of my major neuro symptoms from using essential oils and herbs over a few years. However they seemed to leave a lot of the Borrelia in the brain.

I now realize the result of this remaining brain Borrelia was a constant low level anxiety that I didn't necessarily associate with Lyme. However it flared like crazy from the Rife herxes so I realized it must be related.

Finally now this anxiety is going away, both during herxes and during my non-herx times. However it took an enormous amount of terrible herxing to get rid of this last symptom. Without trying Rife I wouldn't have even really realized that it was still a symptom, I just thought it was normal.

Given the evidence I've seen so far, it seems like photons + nosodes have worked well on two people who seemingly did a lot of treatments and had achieved partial remission prior to using them. willbeatthis seems to have hit a plateau using them and is now using Rife to some success.

Given these cases it would seem to me that photons + nosodes work best when the Borrelia load is already reduced to the point of being manageable by the immune system. The addition of the information from the nosodes would seem to give the immune system the extra help it needs to suppress Borrelia.

If you can point me to examples of people who used photons + nosodes as their very first treatment, prior to reducing Borrelia through other means, then this would change things.

My interest in this stems not from trying to prove the superiority of Rife over the nosodes treatment. I simply have both at my disposal and what I have seen so far leads me to believe the best strategy is to eliminate almost all the Borrelia with Rife, then suppress it using photons + nosodes.

It seems that if you use photons + nosodes while still having too high a Borrelial load relative your immune capacity, you may plateau as did willbeatthis. Their lingering symptoms indicate that the nosodes weren't enough to completely suppress Borrelia, as does their subsequent success with Rife which only seems to work against active Borrelia.

Don't get me wrong, I am impressed with anyone who is able to achieve remission from Lyme and the treatment they used certainly deserves attention. It's even more impressive if the treatment means that you no longer are at risk of getting ill from additional tick bites.

Posts: 131 | From CO | Registered: Jul 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I think you are right too, Project. There is no single answer to anything. I guess...

I think that if I only did dr. W's protocol, I would be still ill with lyme. Those nosodes weren't enough. I needed:

- more dilutions (C, K)
- different nosodes (antigens)
- attacking other critters that were left

I also think that if I didn't treat my teeth before, I would be still ill, in spite of photons.

Anuta is still battling babesia (I think photons do not react to babesia well, as bart and Borrelia), in spite of using photons for borrelia.

This disease is MUCH more than one bacteria (borrelia). Or a few coinfections.

When you say you herx like hell (like I did, my daughter did), it means simply: excess of toxins.

What comes out from die off are a host of different toxins that are not all eliminated by the body, without support.

Just see what happens here with the liver, gall bladder, kidney of people battling lyme, and all the crazy neuro symptoms they get. Or what many of us get...

Many people have problems to detox. Is this a coincidence or the very gun Borrelia uses against us, against our immune systems?

that is the theory of dr Rau and dr. K.

Lyme sufferers say it's all neuro lyme, but how can they know for sure many of neuro symptoms is not toxicity from herxes and heavy metals?

That is a good question.

I knew my herxes could be totally cleared (really, I felt like new!) if I took LOADS of binders, many times a day, energetically tested.


Dr K used to say that killing bacteria, worms, candida, will liberate heavy metals (because they hide there, or their bodies have heavy metals, like parasite bodies have).

Our bodies cannot eliminate heavy metals well: they stay then in.

You kill, you herx the metals, they move to detox organs or other parts of your body, and stay there. Heavy metals are poison to the immune system: so you'll still be ill if you do not pull these metals off.

Herxes are not really good, unless you bind these toxins and flush them off your body (not redistributing them around).

Otherwise is non-stop chain of sickness, infections changing places or shifting in turns.

maybe it is not exactly the borrelia load the problem: but the heavy metal load?

See: herxes composed of heavy metal and excess of toxins which burden the immune system. It stops working well.

No matter how much killing you do, borrelia will come back then through increased reproduction.

There were at least, 5 other people from lymenet that have been cured by photons that I know: one is Bejoy, who used to post here long ago.

She was in bad shape, the poor lady, but she is fully active now, for quite some years.

Another was Bob from Maryland. He also tried many other therapies, and remained sick. He's been out of lyme for at least 7 years too.

another is my daughter, who had a spectacular recover from chronic lyme (full relapse in winter).

The last person is Connie Strassman, who wrote a few articles /book about it.
----------

These treatments are complementary.

Rife and nosodes are totally different things: rife is more like an efficient physical tool (less an information tool) than nosodes, that are pure information.

It's a bit like comparing an ax and a brain.

We do need an axe for some things (physically cut wood) but we do need a brain to think about cutting the wood, why do we need wood, how can we use it?

Without a brain, you will be cold in winter.

Without an axe, maybe yes, maybe not (depending if your brain comes with another solution that does not need an axe).


Whatever your path, forgetting the immune system is the last thing to do, middle and long term.

Short term, we all forgot it. We all just wanted a fast solution, that meant killing.

The immune system needs a clean body (and mouth), a positive mind, less infections for sure as you say, good nutrition, exercises, fresh air, less electrosmog.

As much as infections, dr. K keeps saying that parasites is what makes us mostly ill: they not only eat our nutrition, make problems in the gut, but they are extremely toxic and HARBOR all sorts of pathogens. Of course, borrelia too.

I got again bitten! Number 4 this year, 2nd time this week! This one tests infected, but not with borrelia.... Let's see.

I am keeping the ticks in a little vial, in alcohol. I case I get symptoms, I make a nosode with them!

I'm glad there are photons and that I do not need to ingest such nosodes! [dizzy]

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by project:


Given the evidence I've seen so far, it seems like photons + nosodes have worked well on two people who seemingly did a lot of treatments and had achieved partial remission prior to using them.

This was not true for me. I saw progress on abx, then when we reduced and tried to switch over to herbs, I failed twice. If I was on heavy abx (at one point 72 pills per day of meds + supplements), I'd do okay and function in the afternoon for a few hours. Whenever we'd try to reduce, I'd get worse again.

In fact, when I got off abx to go to Germany, I was almost too sick for the trip. I spent 2 days in Germany in bed recovering from the travel.

My goal in going was that I could be well enough to do the grocery shopping and cook dinner on a regular basis. I had very low expectations. There were times of the day I felt what I thought was 90%, but that was only a few hours in the afternoon.

The day after I returned from Germany I went to my son's football game and stayed the entire game for the first time since getting sick, even with the jet lag. So no matter how well I posted that I was doing, I still wasn't healthy enough to last a whole game. Or to cook dinner. Or to get up before lunch. It was just I felt great relative to how I felt at my worst. I was never in "partial remission" prior to photons rather I was on a yo-yo between a little better and bedridden completely dependent on how many meds I was taking.

My immune system was definitely not managing things before I went. If I had heard of photon treatment before I tried abx, I would have done them first. I was one of the first people to go for the treatment.

Antibiotics kept me from dying from Lyme. They did not get me well. Not even close to well.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My daughter was in wheel chair, in so much pain, from a bad lyme relapse in Jan 2009. She came out of the chair in 2 days after photons.

Her knee had doubled size. Medical doctors wanted to put her on IV Rocephin then, and told me she may lose her knee, if she didn't get the abx.

I refused it.

The 5th day after nosode + photons (after the doctors told me that!), she was not only walking, but jumping around. Zero pain. Her knee was back to normal.

5 days!!!!

If that means nosodes do not kill, I don't what it means then.

She had though less herxes than with herbs.

It was that very fact - going from full infection to zero pain, zero swelling, full mobility, back to be a happy child - that convinced me to do it on myself!

I hadn't done it before I saw what it did to my daughter because I also didn't believe it too much....

In my view, herxes are smaller than with Rife or abx or even killer herbs because nosodes will do something with the milieu, changing it.

It will not directly attack Borrelia frontally, but sideways.

Probably, borrelia will be 'tamed' not to reproduce, or to slow reproduction. That is my theory, so borrelia won't come in revenge, like it does when we attack it frontally (abx, rife, killer herbs).

That is why there are LESS bacteria for our immune system to kill. so, less herxes.

As I said, the bacteria last only a few hours. If they decide to slow reproduction, their numbers reduce without needing any further treatment.

That is just my 'theory'. That is how I believe changing the milieu comes to our aid.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Project: I wanted to clarify some things

about my experience with photons/nosodes which I

think ended up being VERY helpful for me.

Before I went to Germany, every time I was pulled

of of ABX, I relapsed. I knew that I was getting

better on the meds and I would be due for that


time again so I looked at alternatives would

possibly keep me from relapsing. Photons did

that for a time for sure. And, I would have to

say that even though they were not great for Babs

as you have read here, I did not have many of the

things going for me that Six and Brussels did.

Namely, their dedication to fitness/gut (Six) and

Brussels dedication to learning all she could and

being VERY good at homeopathy. Surely, you are

getting information from two of the most learned

people on Lymenet I believe and my experience is

just that, my experience. I tend to lose patience

with things (not the best trait) and that may

have happened here.

Thus, when I heard of a plan that involved rife

and was working for folks, well, I was game at

about the two year mark after I went to Germany.

With regard to whether photons kill. I think

absolutely they do - how exactly, I do not

pretend to know. I can tell you that I did herx

badly in Germany (I considered it herxing; but with rest, saunas etc, I managed)

and by the time I left - a month later- my family

could not believe the difference in me, nor could

I.

I think what I have learned having had this for 8

years is that this is a very adaptive pathogen

and I think coming at it in different ways (when

you need to) while building the immune system- I

still follow the GAPS diet and credit that to a

huge turn for me (very Gut healing). I am still

figuring this out and I hold out for the white

flag like Brussels. I agree wholeheartedly that

it is not one piece but multiple pieces that must

come together. One thing I have noticed of late

is that since I have been on a stronger rife

protocol while working on my gut and really

detoxing daily, I am herxing but when scanned

(ZYTO) my pathogens have really been lowered and

I believe my immune system is getting the upper

hand.

Now, I am on the Zhang protocol as well, but I

would say the most dedicated I am right now is to

a pretty intense rife schedule daily mainly

targeting Lyme, Bart and Babs. I work on

parasites always (my practitioner in NC views

them too as the root) and zap daily (like a Hulda

clark Zapper). I work on mold/fungus as well if

that is revealed on the scan too. My process is

involved and I am sure many might run but it

appears to be working so I just fit these things

into my life. My goal is to reach a place where

I can back off the rife and still maintain my

gains. I knew in order for this to happen, my

immune system had to gain the upper hand again as

after three sinus infections since January, I did

a pretty solid relapse.

Six, Brussels and 17Hens I credit for being able

to work through this illness all 8 years. I will

tell you the best thing I have ever done this

entire time has been follow the lead of other

successful persons that have gone before me.

Quite frankly, Six, Brussels, 17Hens, Katrina,

Keebler, Juli and Dan Bergy have been

instrumental to where I am today (and I am sure

more...) and I would never know now to repay

them.... We just keep paying it forward. Hugs

to all....

Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
willbeatthis .... mold is HUGE. If you are treating mold, keep treating and afterward maybe use photons again. Mold was big for me, too. Keep plugging away at all these things that seem like side issues, they'll help you get better!

When I went to the pharmacy for thyroid meds after I went to Germany, they couldn't believe how different I looked. They were all so happy for me. Those were objective people who saw me on a regular basis. They asked what I had done.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymie_in_md
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14197

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymie_in_md     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
As brussels, six, anuta stated there is something to treating with photons which is different then any other method. After years of being well since being very sick it surreal to think how going from chronic illness to chronic wellness changes your perception of disease. To be blunt we are a sack of fluid with a huge number of organisms, part of which are us. Each organism has its own agenda and there is cross communication between organisms. The communication cause ripples and changes in DNA to reflect the environment called epigenetics and our morphing to changes based on its environment. And, the intelligence within this sack of fluid which is us, are immense and unfathomable, but dna is subjective to intense communication and change.

So do we really kill organisms in treatment ? Sometimes we think we do sometimes we think we don't. The only way to really tell is to see organisms in mass die under a microscope or within living tissue. Raymond Rife was the only one who had a microscope to do this. In other words seeing is believeing and we'll always be blind at least for now. We can only trust experiences and our intuition, experiences lead to a journey and hopefully our intuition grows during the journey, and you hope the journey has a good outcome. And when it does you have folks like our little bionic/pe-1 group who view biology as quantum not newtonian physics where most of the forum is still newtonian. And our view of doctors and health and all of that is far different from the beginning of the journey to the end fundamentally changes.

In the quantum world of Prof. Fritz Popp where he proves non-coherent LED light becomes coherent in organisms you only have to question what does coherent light do. On your remote is an LED and that LED is non-coherent light source becoming coherent at the receptor for the 0 and 1s to determine whether to turn on or off your tv set or change a channel. So if we are a sack of fluid full of disparate organisms how do you think communication occurs, certainly not electrically nor chemically are to slow and certainly not precise enough at the atomic level. Light or photons seems to be the best model for communication in the body. We currently communicate that with way with our tv set.

IF given photons are a universal medium of communication in the body and homeopathy is a frequency instruction sheet. The combination of homeopathy and LED facilitate inter-organism communication both inter-cellular and intra-cellular. Photons in the body are reflected as an aura.

Biologically this could mean that photon treatment supplements a certain beneficial communication or could also augment a lack of photons within the body. Whether it allows for killing organisms or providing a certain amicable relationships between organisms and our own cells is great question.

Finally, over the years, I've discovered 880 nm isn't the only frequency of interest.

As to rife versus photon, they both have a role and it is only through personal experimentation and intuition can you find how it best suits you.

And a virtual hug to my very good friends on this site. [Smile]

--------------------
Bob

Posts: 2148 | From Maryland | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This is such an incredible group! Thank you Six for the encouragement and directives [Smile] . Will do!

Bob- it's so good to hear from you! I am so glad you are still doing so well! Thank you for your knowledge sharing- what a blessing to have such knowledgeable folks. For the record- Project- these folks know much more than I! Thank you all again...

Let us know Project if we can help at all!

Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymie_in_md
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14197

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymie_in_md     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
thanks much willbeatthis, great luck and fortune on your journey. This weekend I plan on 4 hours of tennis and yard work, then some computer work visit my grandson, I'm also coaching someone right now to get well. [Smile]

--------------------
Bob

Posts: 2148 | From Maryland | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you, Bob! You words mean a lot. Your coaching to someone is an immense gift. You used the PE 1 correct? How long did you treat, what infections etc. I hope I did not give up too soon on Photons. I have a Bionic - so that is a blessing. The rife plan- thanks to Dan B. is going REALLY well. I would love to hear your story when you have time. So glad you are WELL! Blessings.... Amy
Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Bob, thank you for popping in. [group hug]

You said it MUCH better than I will ever be able to!

Your brain is certainly not affected by lyme. [Big Grin]

People with neurolyme cannot even memorize simple things, forget basic daily words...

I couldn't even make simple plus and minus with 2 digits.

It is more than clear that chronic ill people may get fully healed, in the sense that all faculties come back completely, like in your case!!

Most people that treat for long, cannot believe that. But I'm glad you popped in to show you are alive and well.

And of course, to shed some light with a better articulated English than mine.

I'll send you a PM talking about polarization of light. A simple Pol filter can be used to correct polarization of the photon field.

Even for a short time, it works as a sort of acupuncture/tapping of the photon field.

We correct the polarization temporarily, but it may last really some time, almost in 'perfect' polarization.

The feeling is divine!!!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Brussels, your English is as good as mine except for the RARE grammatical error. That's the *only* indication that English is your second (or third, or fourth) language. Don't sell yourself short!

Nice to see you, Bob!!

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
thank you Sixg! [group hug]

I don't even know what is my first language anymore... Is there such a thing?

My daughter keeps changing her 1st language since she was born! Now we don't know if it is English or German.

But during lyme, about 8 years ago, she said it was French.

When we came back from Korea 4 years ago, it was English. When she was born, I just spoke Portuguese to her (my mother tongue).

I wonder....

Anyway, Europe is so small, and living at the border of countries and moving about make such a funny effect on families!

As long as our brains are not infected with lyme and co, we enjoy learning.
I start to think that brain exercise helps to keep brain infections away, somehow.
-----------------

Anyway, I think Bob explained well: most LLMDs and patients understand Newton physics but when we talk about information treatments, we get out of that mechanical physical world to another, of quantic physics.

I don't think anyone really 'understands' the quantic aspect of stuff like homeopathy, meridian treatments, high frequency field treatments, photon + information treatments...

cyst busters, killing physical bacteria, eliminating biofilms, these are all Newton physics.

Unfortunately, the reason candida changes from good to bad (the same candida!) is not simply explained by mechanical physics.

Try to starve the candida, give it candida killers, eliminate biofilms: the point is, if candida wants to remain active and aggressive, it will. No matter what you do.

The spores cannot be taken away (even in the physical world!).

People say: if mold grows in your house, move out, burn the house down, there is no other way.

It will always be there! And this is just a house, you can physically reach a lot of places to clean spores.

But imagine a body. Your body, full of hiding places. How to eliminate all spores?? Is that even physically possible without burning your whole body?

Imagine that Borrelia is like candida. It makes no spores, but it has other ways to keep alive (cysts, L-forms, hiding in nano spaces there is no way of access).

Well, as long as Borrelia wants to keep active and bothering the host, it will. That is MY theory.

That is why information treatments are needed.

Somehow, there must be something more intelligent than acting in the physical world, unless you want to keep treating FOREVER.

Like people living in mold houses: clean forever, buy filters, etc.

The question is also: we evolved with these molds, candida, borrelia. Why is that NOW, they become problematic?

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I met a girl in college from Europe who spoke about 7 languages. Here in the US it's hard to learn a second. I speak Spanish, but without practice, I've lost it. I understand it, but I have trouble thinking of words. She told me once you learn two, it's easy to pick up more. I believed her. I think in immersion, you pick it up quickly. I picked up a little German in my 3 weeks there.

Anyway, yes, I think you have to think of some of these treatments on a different level. I usually describe photon treatment as being based on physics and traditional treatments as being based on biochemical. You two are getting more specific.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I just did it again, the nosode + PE1, for kidney and bladder infection!

I got so bad these days, so much pain, drenching sweats, stopped eating.

My body is in detox mode, and my urine got so darkened, until I got a horrible infection.

I tried normal treatments: ginger, essential oils, PE1 in pulsed mode, my violet ray, I was even thinking to go Rifing.

I don't want to get abx, as they destroy my gut... It takes me so long to build it back again, even after a couple of days on abx.

then today, I said: why don't I do a nosode from my own urine, because there, I have the exact pathogen, or parts of the pathogen, or biological information from the pathogen, whatever.

I tested it energetically, came with a C3, C6 dilution, which I did by hand in less than 5 minutes. I put both in a vial, used my PE1 direct mode, for about 5 minutes or less.

I felt very tired after, had to sleep again in the morning. Tuesday and Wed I spent the whole time in bed, morning, afternoon, evening.

Well, I felt better after about 2 hours of sleep, woke up, decided to cook. My first meal since Monday. I ate it all, felt tired, naturally, as I was almost fasting these last days. After about 1.5 hour, I wanted to go out for a walk.

I had been bed bound for the last 2 days, and today, it's my coming out day!

It's amazing how an acute infection can get you down so fast. I hate such kidney infections with bladder infection. So painful!

And more amazing, how these photon + nosode thing, when it works, it works SO FAST. First time since Monday I feel normal again, not shivering as I was.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yep, Six, no practice no way to learn a new language.

Practice is all we need!

The internet can help a lot too!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
willbeatthis
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31111

Icon 1 posted      Profile for willbeatthis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So glad you are feeling better Brussels! Yay for you in figuring out the dilution etc.! Glad you can get out and enjoy and feel better! Hugs!!
Posts: 857 | From Southeast | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lookup
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 44574

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lookup     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm glad you are feeling better Brussels!

I still want to get the PE1 but in the mean time

I have been using the energetic scanner instrument

on our son and zigzagging through the case. He

has gone from 117 pounds, no energy, POTS,

massive brain cloud to 130 pounds to going to

work daily and exercising with weights.

A while ago we did antibiotics and that helped a

bit but then they stopped (that was when he was

out of the country going to Uni) but he is back

now under our care and his LLMD. But to tell you

the truth, we do

more than the LLMD can do simply because Lyme is

a 24/7 thing and he has office hours.He is a

fantastic doctor and we are grateful he is so

dedicated.


We have had to go to thinking outside the box as

a lot of Lyme sufferers do.

Since I am not good at energy testing myself I

bought the energetic signature scanner, as I

said, to use on

our son and also in my practice. It has been very

interesting. Bugs shift around and at home

we just clobber them with nosodes or rife or

whatever is called for. Our son does not have

a hair trigger case, so we can do this.

For sure, he must detox well afterwards. I have

had to pound that into my head.


One day his scan came up with four different hits

for mumps, which he has never had but we are like

"Whatever! Let's blast those $#%&^"

So, we ran him on Preset of Mumps GB-4000 and it

really helped the lymph in his neck.


Headache was helped with running Tendonitis

Preset Channel as the muscles that attach to the

skull must have been inflamed.


Instead of going in for IV glutathione I signed up

for Asea because it makes glutathione in the

body every day. We were not seeing any increase

in his blood levels of glutathione by taking

special stressed sprouts, NAC, etc.

For the cost of one IV he can cont to make

glutathione daily for a month. One of the Lyme

docs on the Lyme Summit 2016 said the Glutathione

IVs stop working after a few times anyway. We are

seeing a lot less inflammation.


Instead of probiotics we are doing Restore which

tightens up the tight junctions starting within

18 hours. He has seen the auto-immune

inflammation go down with that

also and can do dietary infractions he could not

do before. He is careful with his diet even

though it looks like he does not have to be.

We still have some work to do. Supporting the

adrenals/sleep more and the last thing to hold

out is that blasted occipital ridge pressure.

EBV nosodes were awesome for that but they did

not hold very long. I think I will make a remedy

from his saliva...THANKS for the reminder of

this possibility!

Posts: 764 | From Northwest | Registered: Sep 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you, look up & willbeatthis!

I could go out, did gardening, even decided to do a tour of scooter against roller blades with my daughter!

I had planned a lunch on Sunday, and I cancelled it. Now I think I would have made it.

Anyway, I'm still sleeping more than usual (I slept till 9am). But NO MORE PAIN! That is what matters. No more killers, just a few binders.

No more afternoon naps either.

Exactly like with lyme!

Since photon + nosode, I stop all killers just because I don't need them anymore. I'm back to life. I was wondering how long one can survive on acute kidney and bladder infection. It was consuming all my energy. Clearly, very fast.


I can describe EXACTLY the feeling of photon + nosode treatment.

Look: I was using pulsed PE1 (= pulsed infrared) for the whole time to support my bladder, kidney, and just to feel a bit better. Without nosodes.

It has NOTHING to do with that feeling. Absolutely nothing. That's what's crazy, I find!

Photon + nosode feeling, when you got the RIGHT nosode you need: the 5 minutes I was using it around my body feel like I'm sweeping bad illness vibes from my body or something like that...

How to explain?

My infection was acute, so I get all those awful symptoms: shivering, fever or hot temperature, cold or hot sweats, pain in the bladder, pain in both kidneys, horrible pain to wee, zero hunger, very low energy, I slept almost the whole 48 hours (only woke up to take herbs, rub oils).

Zero wish to meet anyone, to talk, to do anything at all. I just want the pain to stop and to feel relaxed. I couldn't even drive my daughter 5 minutes to school!!

I felt my whole body, all my cells were sick, screaming, and that everyone around could almost smell my illness. As though my body was telling 'I'm ill, can't you see it?'

I looked terrible, hubby said that on Thu morning. Thu evening, after the PE1+nosode thing, I had zero pain!!!

So I felt like there is a sort of aura of disease around the body, sending the message to others, 'I'm sick, I have infection, I feel terrible'.


The MOMENT I was doing the PE1 with nosodes, I felt like cleaning that illness aura. The weight of the veil goes out the moment I'm flashing light on my body.

It's a clear feeling of deliver, of sort of freedom from prison. It's like I paint my 'aura' with transparent light again, not with those milky ill paint that is almost visible so heavy it is...

As I told you, WITHOUT NOSODES, the PE1 has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT FEELING.

I had been using DAILY the PE1 without nosodes since I notice infection coming fast, and the violet ray too, and they only support me (like taking an aspirine, doing a massage).

The violet ray helped me with pain. The pulsed PE1 a bit too, I think.

Add nosodes to the story, no pulsing, and there is a whole other world of things happening in my field around and inside my body!

The feeling is not easy to describe. It was amazing for me to SEE IT AS I'M DOING THE LIGHT!!


With lyme, I was chronic lyme. Not acute. When I did the treatment, I knew nothing about photon + nosode. My symptoms were not screaming loud, just chronic...

Now it's different: my symptoms were SCREAMING HIGH, it was very acute infections, I had literal pain almost non stop for about 2 days, that made me unable to eat or even want to eat.

I was going to nail the infection, I think, without the PE1, like I did before. Probably.

But it would have taken me 2 or even more weeks for that, to feel the whole infection left my body. That is why I cancelled Sunday lunch (that I was supposed to cook).

Now I certainly can cook it and even eat it. But I have no more guests!! [bonk]

--------------------------
Guys, I feel so sorry for you people suffering for so long, when, for BORRELIA, BART and some infections, there is this EASY PEASY way to treat. Totally non-invasive.

Why going on looking for killers?

I treated 5 minutes yesterday!! Cost of treatment: zero. Damage to my gut: zero.

It's still feels like magic to me, even though I'm lyme-free due to it. It can't be true, can it?

Dr. K. is still selling his lasers, that you can use with nosodes.

But his treatment is not COMPARABLE to what I get with the PE1. His lasers cannot transmit the message of the nosode the way that my PE1 can.

They belong to distant leagues, they can't compete, really (I have all the equipment of dr. K to use, his laser, his signal plexiglas, etc).

Anyway, I'm just really excited to use the PE1 again this way. It looks like I want to get royalties from the company! I guess, if I had a SOta LW, it would also have worked the same.

I'm really not trying to sell you guys only the PE1. It has to do with certain infrared frequencies.

[ 06-17-2016, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: Brussels ]

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Look up,

Maybe you don't even need the PE1 if the equipment you are using with your son is working!

What was it, exactly ? I think you told me before, but just to refresh my memory!


Yep, bugs shift around, you said. Exactly. It is so easy to see them shifting if you have that sort of energy scanning or whatever.

I was so surprised years ago, when I first started energy testing.

I thought it was my imagination, but after YEARS, more than a decade on those tests, I see that happens the whole time. Either bugs shift, or change a bit but are still active, low grade.

That is the ingenious trick of POTENCIES of nosodes. You can still treat these infections, no matter how much they want to hide from remedies, because you just give information to treat.


Critters are extremely smart, really intelligent, changing, ever changing, they have loads of ways of communicating to each other. Not only chemical signaling, you can be sure.

The way they change EVERY DAY, even every minute sometimes, well, it's not easy to tell. No one will listen to us. They aren't stiff creatures stopped in time, that one frequency will kill, or one antibiotic will kill.


I'm glad this machine helps with SO MANY different things (tendonitis too!!).

I didn't understand what you meant by Asea... Is this a type of gluthatione??

Poor son. How old is he?

EBV is tricky. I would try higher dilutions, but I can't promise... I know it is very tricky. Not simple like Borrelia and Bartonella!

I guess saliva, urine, stool, blood nosodes can be useful for some stuff, as it proved to me. I just had forgotten about it. Anyway, I was just 5% of myself these last days, no inspiration, just wanting to survive the ordeal.

I hope your son is getting his life slowly back . But surely. It is nice to see kids developing and living their whole potential. Not fair when they live just a percentage of what they are. It breaks any parent's heart!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Look up: for EBV, I have a feeling that the simple 25 dollar violet ray may be more useful than anything else.

This is because my daughter was fighting viral warts on her soles for many years. She didn't treat it properly, and it was stubborn.

she didn't use the violet ray on the wart more than a couple of times. Then of course, she forgot to treat it. But she loves the violet ray, and continue to use it very often, almost daily, on her organs.

We realized that all warts were fully gone, after at least 6, 7 years of persistence. I have the feeling high frequencies are not for viruses. They sort of do not enjoy high voltage. Just my feeling!!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lookup
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 44574

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lookup     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Brussels: Thanks for the info! I just did a little violet light session on him and we will see how it goes!


You have done some pretty amazing work getting rid of that bladder/kidney infection!


The scanner picks up energetic signatures of pathogens. It has all the nosodes in it and that

helps. Previously, I learned applied kinesiology(using the vials)but I thought testing someone's

arm would throw in a variable of the arm getting tired plus, I wanted way more vials and then it

just seemed too much. Doing the Omura Digital O Ring, like you do, would be a God send but it

just wont' work for me. Bummer! Will keep trying though! One thing Lyme has taught me is get out

of the box thinking wise. Like running mumps on the Rife. It is a "close-enough-icum" (similar

enough) for it to have an action on draining the lymph under the jaw, etc.


Asea is this liquid that tastes like mild flavored pool water. It works with the redox

molecules as does the Restore (works on tight junctions/leaky gut). Nothing was getting our

son's glutathione up. NAC waste of money...so tired of things that are supposed to work but

don't. So, I switched him to Asea. He noticed inflammation go down.


Of everything we have used, remedy wise, - the nosode EBV 1000x potency was the best. Mycoplasma 1000x

was interesting in that it went after the tonsils that were initially swollen.


I am so glad that your daughter is doing well and that you are feeling more energetic again!

Posts: 764 | From Northwest | Registered: Sep 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Look up: just one session will not work. It took my daughter months on the violet ray to see her warts gone. But they are fully gone, while hubby's warts are still there (he doesn't like the violet ray).

For colds too, she uses that, and I do too. You really see how viral colds go weaker if you do the violet ray on the lymph under jaw, then throat (near thyroid). But these are acute infections (I mean, colds).

The warts were chronic, so they were pretty much in her whole body (even though they manifest on the feet). Funny thing is that she didn't treat the feet and they went off anyway.

Thank you for the explanation about the device.

If you have the frequencies of borrelia, etc, and it's working, keep on doing it. I don 't have any device except for the laser from dr. K, to sweep nosodes. That 's why I use the PE1.

The laser is not even 10% of what the PE1 is. Maybe about 3% or so, only. It has fully other properties, but it is not as good as infrared to transport the nosode information.

I feel much better, thank you. I'm really not feeling ill anymore.

AS for gluthathione etc, I don't what to say. I went on MSM for a while and felt good. REally good, it is pure sulphur and probably boosted my glutathione.

Now I'm trying to use only the violet ray, but I guess, I will introduce those homeopathic hormones from dr. K. I know I lack vasopressin, because water is an issue to me (I feel I am dehydrated, so I'm on special salts, but I don't think the salts will correct my dehydration problem for good...).

I'll let you guys know. I'll try both by ingestion and by PE1, let's see what my tests say.

Do you have a biotensor? Some people fare better with biotensors. Or simply pushing the hand, like dr. K. does. Easy to do, if you know how to test for open regulation.

I'm also sure the violet rays help sometimes with lymph nodes, to move the lymph. Of course, if the cause is still there (allergen, pathogen, toxin,...) swelling will come back though.

When I was desperate to move lymph in nodes that were hard as stone, I went back to manual lymph drainage. It's a mere physical massage, but it does unblock the lymph well. The more you make, the better it goes, and the feeling is divine when that happens.

It's not hard to learn, but in the beginning, better you see a professional to get the feel of what it is.

You just need to know in which direction the lymph flows and unblock all the traffic jam. The blockade is usually somewhere down the way.

Example: all the head lymph will be dumped on the upper shoulder. Including under the jaw. If the upper shoulder lymph nodes are stuck, no way to unblock the under jaw lymph nodes!!

I gotta go. Loads of stuff to do after days of illness!

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yesterday I did another nosode, a 10 M.

I needed instead a 60 C or so, but I was too lazy to do it, so I did only a 10M (less work).

REason? Like with lyme, the infection goes through phases. Thu-Fri, I felt next to zero symptoms.

Sat, I felt my infection was low grade, but still present... So Sun I tested, and did the 10M in about 10 minutes (or so).

I am only INGESTING it, rubbing it, not taking through light.

I usually do not use photons + nosodes too often (in less than a week). This is because I think we get a sort of traffic jam if we send too much different information on top of another.

I let my body work with the photon information 24h/24h (C3, C6 that I photooned on Thu, it is still certainly very active in my field),....

... while I just ingest the nosodes in different dilutions. I need to ingest the 10M about 4x day.


Today, I'm zero symptoms again, but who knows how this progress...

It is really like lyme, but in faster speed (I hope!).

Everything works like with lyme: start with lower dilutions, work on higher dilutions, then symptoms go from acute to less clear, then you work still on higher dilutions, till everything finishes.

No more symptoms, no more infections. Really, like with lyme treatment.

---------
I drove almost 2 hours to reach a thermal bath, and stayed in and out water for more than 3 hours today. Life is back to normal, but I'm still in treatment...

I lost 4 pounds with this urinary tract infection. 4 pounds in so few days! It is much more aggressive than lyme.

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brussels     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My infection finished, I think. I stopped taking nosodes for the last 2 days. No more treatment. Back to drinking coffee again.

My cells are not dehydrated anymore like they were during infection.

I'm regaining lost weight.

I went swimming in a cold lake today, no problem at all (that would be IMPOSSIBLE 7 days ago).

Next bladder + kidney infection, I won't bother to take anything by mouth: I'll do directly nosode from urine + photons.

I hope it will always work, but that would be a dream (some pathogens don't react to nosodes...).

I also wonder if the nosode didn't help me to deal with toxins that are coming out through urine (and causing me these infections...).

Posts: 6196 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Catgirl
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 31149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Catgirl     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Great news Brussels!

--------------------
--Keep an open mind about everything. Also, remember to visit ACTIVISM (we can change things together).

Posts: 5418 | From earth | Registered: Mar 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.