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ohioperson22
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It looks like atovaquone works by inhibiting dihydrofolate reductase, and preventing coq10 from doing whatever it does in babesia.


So, does taking oral coq10 help babesia thrive? And what about folic acid?

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All I know is that COQ10 is taken to protect the heart. Folic acid taken along with Vitamin E stops Restless Leg Syndrome for me so, in my case, I always take COQ10 every day.

I take Artemisinin, Sida Acuta, Alchornea and Cryptolepis to counteract Babesia. I've recently added L-Arginine because Stephen Buhner's books on coinfections list

it as specific for Bart, Babesia and Mycoplasma.

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I also take CoQ10 everyday. I don't even know if I have babesia.


Yes, CoQ10 is good for the human heart. But apparently it also is necessary for babesial survival.

Taking CoQ10 can block the effect of atovaquone on babesia.

So just wondering if taking CoQ10 can help babesia thrive.


(as well as all those methylators, folic acid, b12 stuff)

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The human body is necessary for babesia survival, too, yet it's important to give it what it needs for nourishment. CoQ10 is important to the strength of the BODY & helpful for cellular repair. In the long run, CoQ10 will help fight infection.

Find some other ways to treat infections besides withholding key nutrients. There are many other approaches.

Best to take Rx away from most supplements, though as most are antioxidant in nature & help the liver better work

and if there is that nourishing food for the liver at the same time as the Rx,

and most, even if for other purposes, other organs, also help the liver better do its work, yet

some Rx can be swept out with that wave that gathers the trash (in the antioxidant function) as the follow up function to its food function, so to speak.
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Dr. Horowitz says patients on atovaquone can't take CoQ10.

Just clearing that up for people reading this thread.

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That's different than avoiding a nutrient across the board. There are potential interactions to consider with each Rx and each supplement we take. And good to point that out. Good to ask our LL doctors about our specific protocols.

Some people (myself, at least) don't do as well with CoQ10 as others do. I find it too stimulating for my body. Others that have similar nourishment work better for me.

My reply was regarding withholding any nutrient that also nourishes us because it might "feed" babesia. I had read the last part of the question in that interpretation but see now that you only wrote "whatever it does" and I may have misinterpreted that.

The concern, though, is not so much with it feeding babesia as with it washing away the Rx too soon and lowering the therapeutic levels.

This is why timing is everything. Keep Rx and supplements separate.

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http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs050/1101953185050/archive/1101998670215.html

Here, a well respected LLMD discusses antioxidants & Mepron (atovaquone)

March 2008 (so, you'd want to find anything else this doctor has written on the topic since as there may be aspects to this that are seen in a different light now.)

He has a new book coming out any day now, by the way.
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Interesting discussion here.

DS had CoQ10 added recently to his list of supplements by his LLNP via phone and after reading mixed things, I decided to give it to him on the weeks he's not on Malarone and withhold it during his pulsing weeks.

I'll ask his LLNP when we go in a few weeks.

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Parent of teen with late stage Lyme, mycoplasma, bartonella and babesia. Dx Nov '15, in remission early to mid '18.

Started site for parents looking for Lyme/tick info: www.ParentsofLymeKids.com

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Well, CoQ10 is kind of like sugar, including D-ribose... both humans and microbes need it (and so many other things we take and eat).

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yancync... exactly as you typed, that sounds like a good plan.

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I don't even know if I have babesia. I'm getting the FISH and even PCR test through the one website that will order it for you.

My LLMD ordered the labcorp test for antibodies, but thanks to the ginormous panel he ran and the MTHFR turnaround times, I may not have results for weeks...

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When you find out, could you let us know. It's hard to juggle supplements and antibiotics and/or herbs and know what might interact with what. Good luck to you.
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Will try and remember. Going to start a list of questions now so I don't forget.

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Parent of teen with late stage Lyme, mycoplasma, bartonella and babesia. Dx Nov '15, in remission early to mid '18.

Started site for parents looking for Lyme/tick info: www.ParentsofLymeKids.com

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CoQ10 made my babesia come out and caused me to relapse....been fighting babesia for a year now
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thank you so much for sharing the article regarding antioxidants and babesia....I juice Carrots daily which looks like a fat soluble antioxidant....it said to avoid these when treating babesia so perhaps that is why I am having a hard time with it.....thank you again!
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