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jsnyde2
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Hey,
I have been doing quite well, Lyme symptoms 90% gone. Been following strict diet, and when that happens, the yeast ends up on my tongue. I have been told it is looking for somewhere to thrive since innards are all pro-bioticed and stuff, no good environment down there so seeking elsewhere. So this is a good thing.

So NOW WHAT? I want it to be gone. I feel like in the past I have ruined this by having a glass of wine. I promise not to do that, but what else should I be doing now to rid it for good? Any suggestions welcome. Thank you!

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Have you tried no-flush Niacin yet? 3g per day of Niacinamide (Vitamin B3) did wonders for me. I highly recommend it.
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Jory,

I have not. I will try it! Thanks!

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jory, what do you think the mechanism is for the niacin helping with yeast on the tongue?
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Hi lookup. I wont pretend to understand it, but this is what the research says:

"In yeast, histone H3 Lys56 acetylation (H3K56ac) is an abundant modification regulated by enzymes that have fungal-specific properties, making them appealing targets for antifungal therapy.

Here we demonstrate that H3K56ac in C. albicans is regulated by the RTT109 and HST3 genes, which respectively encode the H3K56 acetyltransferase (Rtt109p) and deacetylase (Hst3p).

We show that reduced levels of H3K56ac sensitize C. albicans to genotoxic and antifungal agents. Inhibition of Hst3p activity by conditional gene repression or nicotinamide treatment results in a loss of cell viability associated with abnormal filamentous growth, histone degradation and gross aberrations in DNA staining.

We show that genetic or pharmacological alterations in H3K56ac levels reduce virulence in a mouse model of C. albicans infection. Our results demonstrate that modulation of H3K56ac is a unique strategy for treatment of C. albicans and, possibly, other fungal infections."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708141617.htm

Personally I had a fungal skin overgrowth, it was awful awful. Nothing seemed to clear it until I found this research paper (from my hometown of Montreal no less) and started on Niacin, first at 500mg/day and moved to the upper limit of 3g/day.

I used both nicotinamide and niacinamide types and found that they worked equally well and *shockingly* fast. My overgrowth vanished within a week and has not returned. I went back on niacin a few weeks ago in prep for antibiotics which I thankfully am now on.

If I could try to explain the mechanism myself, it would be that there is a noticeable drying effect on the tissues. I guess it has to be experienced.

Hope this helps!

Jory

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My concern is not so much the thrush, but taking advantage of killing the yeast now, while it is obviously searching hard to stay alive.

Ridding it once and for all, while it is backed in a corner, so to speak, my tongue being the corner. This Niacin is interesting

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I would also try gargling a niacinamide solution. Break a 500mg capsule into 8oz of water and gargle like mouthwash (or oil pulling, if you've ever tried that before). Exposing niacin to your tongue (and not rinsing afterwards) before bed could be a useful thing.
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Get some biotin .. It's supposed to keep the yeast from turning into a fungus.

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quote:
Originally posted by jory:
Our results demonstrate that modulation of H3K56ac is a unique strategy for treatment of C. albicans and, possibly, other fungal infections."

It's nice to hear of another approach as other methods seem rather arduous!

I wrote that one down in the notebook. Thanks!

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Get a tongue scraper and use each morning. And cut anything with Fructose out of your diet. This includes sugar, honey, syrup, fruits (yes fruits), everything. Milk sugars are ok. Lactose is glucose and galactose, not a fructose mix like sucrose. Its not a bad sign to have it move up to your tongue. Your making progress
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Follow page 34 of Burrascano:

http://www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf

You can use a peroxide mixture (50% peroxide, 50% water) instead of mouthwash to scrub your entire mouth as Burrascano directs. Scrub for a long time. Scrub off all the yeast you can.

You can do this morning and evening.

Be sure to follow the scrubbing with the probiotic capsule sprinkled in your mouth and held there until dissolved as Burrascano directs.

By doing this, you not only kill the yeast but you also "fertilize" the good flora in your mouth so that it will eventually overcome the yeast overgrowth.

Everyone has yeast in their mouth. But normally, the good flora keep it in check. If you get an overgrowth, it means the good flora are too few.

So, stop feeding the yeast (follow anti-yeast diet), kill it with the peroxide, and encourage the good flora with the probiotic powder.

I agree that using a tongue scraper can get a lot of yeast off before you do the mouth scrub.

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