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beachmomof3
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I have chronic lyme and was treated years ago. I had a good run.

Last weekend, I woke up feeling awful. And I said to my husband, I feel like my lyme is back.

A few hours later, I found a tick embedded in my leg.

Pulled it out and sent it overnight to a lab in PA.

It was a lone star male tick.

The tick was tested for 6 diseases. It tested positive for STARI and Rickettsia spp (possible Rocky Mountain spotted fever)

I am on doxy, which I started the day I found the tick.

Is it true that male ticks don't transmit the disease? I am thinking that is a myth.

Is it true that doxy doesn't treat Rocky Mountain spotted fever?

Is Stari, the lone star ticks version of lyme.

Since I haven't seen my lyme dr in a few years, I am on a waiting list to be seen. I am also considered a new patient and have to pay the new patient fee, which I am not too happy about.

I have never heard of Stari. Will do my research.

Thank you so much.

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Lymetoo
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I would say that STARI is basically the same as Lyme. The only tick bites I've ever had were from Lone Star ticks, and I was plenty ill.

I unfortunately received another LS tick bite this week. I don't even walk on grass .. and here I am, dealing with another bite.

Could you give me info on the lab you used? Was it cheaper than Igenex? Would they test my tick from Missouri?

So far, I feel fine .. but I have that fear, ya know?

I haven't heard that it made any difference as far as female or male ticks. I wouldn't see why there would be any difference. In my opinion, ANY tick can make us ill .. ANY TICK.

I don't know about doxy and RMSF. What is normally used for it??

STARI is also known as Master's Disease .. It was named by Dr Masters of Cape Girardeau, MO. He was my LLMD's mentor.

http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/mastersdisease_stari.html

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Regarding male ticks, this is what Tincup has posted:

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/ticks

"UPDATE- May 2017


Notes, from what I understand and because we have people asking...

Adult male ticks may attach themselves to you or an animal (because they are stupid?), but they do not need to have a blood meal. Adult females require a blood meal to be able to reproduce. Could adult males still pass along disease causing organisms while attached? It is very possible.

QUOTE- "Determination of the tick's gender is important because adult male ticks, although they may attach, do not take a blood meal and therefore cannot transmit pathogens. It is very likely that any ticks you discover embedded on a human or animal are female." Source

https://www.tickchek.com/info/tick-identification#TickGender

"Determination of the tick's gender is important because adult male ticks, although they may attach, do not take a blood meal and therefore cannot transmit pathogens. It is very likely that any ticks you discover embedded on a human or animal are female."


Regarding treatment of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever:

"Rarely, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever can coexist, and even be chronic. Fortunately, treatment regimens are similar for all agents in this group [meaning Ehrlichia and anaplasmosis]." (Burrascano, page 5)

Page 25 gives treatment for ehrlichia as follows: "Standard treatment consists of Doxycycline, 200 mg daily for two to four weeks."

Read the rest of the paragraph for info on treating a resistant case.

Beachmom, if the wait is significant to get in with your NJ doctor, and you want to be seen quickly, let me know and I can give you the name of someone in Maryland, near Washington, D.C. that has no wait. You can do telephone appointments so you only have to appear in person once every 3 months.

Hopefully, you will only need 2 appointments and this will be taken care of.

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Thanks, TF.

So maybe beachmom is in the clear? Or she got infected anyway?

Lucky me .. mine was female. For now, I feel "OK."

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Wow, so many on here have been bitten by ticks in the last few days.
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And I don't even "do grass!"

I took ONE STEP across dirt/clover next to the curb so I could get to the sidewalk from my car.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:


Could you give me info on the lab you used? Was it cheaper than Igenex? Would they test my tick from Missouri?


beachmom??

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i am sorry. I was away from my computer all night.

My son cracked his growth plate in his ankle.

I used a lab in PA. It is associated with East
Strousburg University.

It was less $ than Igenix. I spoke to the lady who tested my tick and she was very nice. You have two options, they will test for 3 diseases or 6.

I don't do grass either. I sent my tick overnight because i wanted that sucker out of the house.
Can i post the address for the lab, or is that against the rules?

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You can post it here. Others may want to save the info for future reference.

Did you send it with a damp cotton ball? I had mine in the freezer, but then I took it out.

Hope your son's ankle is better soon!!

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So sorry this happened to you Lymetoo. [Frown]

Can you take herbs ?

I added Japanese knotweed, cats claw, and astragalus to my protocol.

Keep us posted. Scary times indeed.

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No, I can't take herbs. I do have silver and I have a Rife machine.

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My LLMD gave me a handout with information about free tick testing, though they say that the program is not intended for clinical decisions or as a diagnostic tool. The will send you results though.

You can go here for more information.

bayarealyme.org

Good luck!

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By the way, they will test for-

Borrelia burgdorferi

Borrellia miyamotoi

Babesia microti

Anaplasma phagocytpphilum

Erlichia chafeensis

Rickettsia.
They hope to get results back-via email- within 5-7 days of testing.

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https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/ticks/free-tick-testing
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Doxy is the ONLY medication recommended for RMSF and should be started immediately if RMSF, Ehrlichiosis or Anaplasmosis is even suspected.

No waiting for symptoms or blood tests- Treat Immediately!

That is the CDC/IDSA's own warning, and it is not "normal" for them to recommend something that actually might help us.

BB gave you the link to the free tick testing info and TF shared the male tick bite info- thanks to them both.

Here is a list of all tick testing labs that I am aware of, scroll to the bottom to see the tick testing labs.

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/lab-tests

Here are the "official" recommendations for treating a tick bite- from Dr. B's guidelines. You can print it out- one page document- and take it to any local doctor to use (cover their back sides), so please don't wait for a LLMD to see you.

www.TreatTheBite.com

Good luck!

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Splashi .. It's great, but it takes a few months for results.

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Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. It says 5-7 days on the pamphlet. They must have been inundated with ticks!
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