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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/health/shingrix-shingles-vaccine.html

Sounds promising .. but I am not one to jump on vaccines!!!

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One article. And, yes, some good things there to consider.

Still, I'd like to read at least six to ten from a wide range of authors from various locations who don't have a stake in the profits - and see the list of exactly what's in it with the adjuv. . . . and wait a couple years to see how this new batch really works in people.

I must say its a bit demeaning to have a doctor say this can be an "ouch-y" vaccine. Why is he talking baby talk to older adults?
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He does not speak to this new vaccine for shingles, yet the method of testing here might shine some light for things to think about:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/07/02/critical-vaccine-studies.aspx

Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Parents and Pediatricians Need To Be Aware Of

By Dr. Joseph Mercola - July 02, 2017

Excerpt:

. . . "Miller's Review" is unique in that it summarizes 400 studies in bullet points with direct quotes from the study — with one study per page — plus citations so that you can find and read the study in full should you decide to do so.
All of the studies are published in peer-reviewed journals and indexed by the National Library of Medicine.

"These are valid studies by valid researchers in many journals that people have heard about — The Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, all the mainstream journals (and some of the smaller journals,

but they're still valid peer-reviewed studies) that show there are problems with vaccines:

There are safety problems, there are efficacy problems.

They're all in one place so that people, like doctors, can get this information all in one convenient place.

This book has been very effective with medical doctors.

When medical doctors who are on the fence, or who are pro-vaccine, get this book and read it, I hear back from parents that their doctor is no longer pressuring them to get the vaccines. . . .

[Full article at link above]
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Regarding the new shingles vaccine, some of the educational groups listed here might have more detail about those specifics:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131625;p=0

VACCINE INGREDIENTS - Informational Links set
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Not much more time to look around. Found just this one article for now. Seem the new one it's a safer form, though and good for them on that point but if they had previous mistakes and cover-ups trust would be out the window for me.

Still, all this requires a lot of personal research to just become aware and educated in the matter.


http://www.drbuttar.com/thousands-sue-merck-for-shingles-vaccine-causing-what-its-supposed-to-prevent/

Thousands Sue Merck for Shingles Vaccine [Zostavax] “Causing What It’s Supposed to Prevent”

Jul 18, 2017

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. . . A second shingles vaccine from drug manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline, Shingrix, may be available if the FDA approves their filing.

Shingrix, a two-dose vaccine, distinguishes itself from Zostavax because it’s derived from a protein of the virus rather than a live strain.

The efficacy of Shingrix is more impressive, as Reuters noted that “in clinical trials, GSK’s vaccine remained 90 percent effective in people over age 70, even four years after injections.”

Merck has explicitly stated that those who receive the Zostavax vaccine “may still get shingles.”

However, Bouk argued that some people may be contracting shingles as a side effect of the [Zostavax] vaccine itself due to the live virus strain in the vaccine, not because people are experiencing shingles despite the vaccine. . . .
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I'd like to see more information for the general public on ways to stay healthy and then what helps in the way of nutrient therapy, too. So many of the vaccine articles are designed to make the reader fear - to experience that fear as if they are a sitting target.

I'd rather go for empowerment that covers a wide range of ways to be our strongest inside - out.

Mushrooms are great for immune support, by the way. Culinary mushrooms &/or supplements "medical mushrooms"

Paul Stamets is the top expert about both, really. He's easy to find.
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I haven't understood why they don't advertise acyclovir or valtrex on TV as a way to knock it out when you get the symptoms within first three days.

I was diagnosed right at 72 hours and valtrex knocked it out of me. There was a danger of going in my eye.

A dear friend of mine had the current shingles shot and a few weeks later got them in eye and went into brain.He was in hospital for two weeks.

Funny how this new one is an admission that the current one is not good!!!

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Marz,

Great to hear that worked. What if everyone had on hand a few days to a week's supply of this & other key Rx and were instructed to call their doctor, of course, but would be able to act fast when needed.

Even to have to go into the doctor with this can be rough. Some can't get in for various reasons.

With so many having cell phone cameras - or someone they know with one - it seems that a phone call and photos would speed up the process. If you could have taken this the first day, imagine that!
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Stumbled upon this

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24235264

Clin Infect Dis. 2014 Feb;58(3):350-6. doi: 10.1093/cid/cit745. Epub 2013 Nov 13.

Statins and the risk of herpes zoster: a population-based cohort study.

Excerpts:

. . . Abstract

BACKGROUND: Statins are widely used lipid-lowering drugs with immunomodulatory properties that may favor reactivation of latent varicella-zoster virus infection. . . .

METHODS: We conducted a population-based retrospective cohort study of Ontario residents aged ≥ 66 years between 1 April 1997 and 31 March 2010 to examine the association between statin use and incidence of herpes zoster. . . .

RESULTS: During the 13-year study period, we matched 494 651 individuals treated with a statin to an equal number of untreated individuals.

In the main analysis, the rate of herpes zoster was higher among users of statins relative to nonusers of these drugs . . . .

. . . CONCLUSIONS: Among older patients, treatment with statins is associated with a small but significantly increased risk of herpes zoster.
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No thanks.

Two years ago, I was walking around several drug stores which were heavily advertising the shingles vaccine for older folks here in South Florida. (Can we say eugenics?)

Lo and behold-- after walking around these places and shopping--- where all the seniors were flocking to get the vaccine---- I GOT SHINGLES shortly afterwards.

I dont think this was an accident.

Last time I got the Tetanus vaccine booster, I had neuropathy for a YEAR-- probably due to the aluminum in that vaccine.

No more vaccines for me!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Marz:
I haven't understood why they don't advertise acyclovir or valtrex on TV as a way to knock it out when you get the symptoms within first three days.

I was diagnosed right at 72 hours and valtrex knocked it out of me. There was a danger of going in my eye.

A dear friend of mine had the current shingles shot and a few weeks later got them in eye and went into brain.He was in hospital for two weeks.

Funny how this new one is an admission that the current one is not good!!!

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Very true!! They really should advertise that because so many people do NOT know that they should go to the doctor ASAP if they think they have shingles.

and you are right... the old vaccine is VERY ineffective

I worry that they will still mess this one up and it won't work either.

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I have had a couple of LLMDs say that Lyme patients shouldn't get vaccines at all, period. The last vaccine I had was in 2005 -- which was the vaccine for chicken pox. I had a terrible reaction to it. I got it because I showed no immunity, and I was working with children and seniors, and didn't want to risk adult chicken pox.

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I got shingles 18 months ago at age 61. I procrastinated getting the vaccine and paid dearly for it. I started famvir soon as the 1st lesion appeared. Lesions got worse initially but were gone in 10 days. But......

The post herpetic neuralgia was torture;it lasted 3 months. 10/10 pain on my face that no meds could touch. It was on my right forehead and also got into my eye and did permanent damage to the cornea.

Shingles on the face originates at the root of the 5th cranial nerve (trigeminal) which is located in the medulla, the brain. This effed me up bad. I believe it also went into my vagus nerve. Either it triggered my Lyme or vice versa I'll never know but I'm certain that one triggered the other.

Flawed vaccine or not, I wish I'd gotten it in retrospect. 3 of my same age friends went right out and got it when they saw how bad I suffered. None had a problem with it.

It's one of those things where you pay your dime and take your chances. If you've never had shingles, consider yourself lucky.

I'm not saying to race out and get the vaccine as I've always felt poorly after a vaccine.
My job requires a flu vaccine and I'm ignoring their requests. I fear I'll be faced with a bug decision sooner or later.

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Tetanus booster gave me GBS along with a lyme relapse. No more vaccines for me.
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Here is an article about the new vaccine by a doctor who is fed up with the ineffective and dangerous vaccines we are being given:

https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/dr-brownstein-new-shingrix-vaccine-for-shingles-fails-97-of-time/

After I saw a friend of mine suffer with shingles and the post herpetic neuralgia, I got the old shingles vaccine. I had no ill effects to it.

This articles makes me think that I should NOT get the new vaccine.

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"This vaccine contains polysorbate 80 which is a substance that has been linked to anaphylactic reactions ....

.... and has been shown to cause infertility in mammals as well as hormonal changes in rats.

Polysorbate 80 should not be injected into any living being.

Should you take a vaccine that fails 97% who take it? " with Polysorbate 80???


I guess, the question answers itself!!!

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I would like to hear from the other side--a doctor who thinks it is worth taking.

The medical profession is raving about this new shingles vaccine.

What do they have to say in rebuttal to what this doc says? Anybody know?

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Here is a site with some comments (pro and con) on the article saying the new shingles vaccine is not very effective and is dangerous:

http://blog.drbrownstein.com/i-am-trying-not-to-write-about-vaccines/

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I got that from your link, TF!

I'm sure most doctors 'think' it is good to take the new and old shingles vaccines.

Same way most doctors concentrated decades on trying to eliminate the good and bad cholesterol, while today, this should be past history!


There is no good and bad cholesterol, but doctors (here in Europe at least) do not know what to tell their patients, that they medicated them with dangerous drugs for years, some decades.

Now they know they were wrong (irrefutably), but no MD is screaming about that, right?!


How to tell their patients:

'I was wrong the whole time (decades),

... there is no good and bad cholesterol (it was pure invention as we find no papers on that),

.. these drugs do not help prevent heart diseases at all (most papers show that today), ...

stop taking them NOW as they are dangerous (papers show that too!).'


Even with enough proof, with years after enough proof, ...

..we still do not hear a lot (most people still talk about good and bad cholesterol).


Imagine the topic 'BRAND NEW vaccine'!!!

The only way to know, is to be a guinea-pig and try.

Don't count me on!!! [Big Grin]

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I got shingles 18 months ago at age 61. I procrastinated getting the vaccine and paid dearly for it. I started famvir soon as the 1st lesion appeared. Lesions got worse initially but were gone in 10 days. But......

The post herpetic neuralgia was torture;it lasted 3 months. 10/10 pain on my face that no meds could touch. It was on my right forehead and also got into my eye and did permanent damage to the cornea.

Shingles on the face originates at the root of the 5th cranial nerve (trigeminal) which is located in the medulla, the brain. This effed me up bad. I believe it also went into my vagus nerve. Either it triggered my Lyme or vice versa I'll never know but I'm certain that one triggered the other.

Flawed vaccine or not, I wish I'd gotten it in retrospect. 3 of my same age friends went right out and got it when they saw how bad I suffered. None had a problem with it.

It's one of those things where you pay your dime and take your chances. If you've never had shingles, consider yourself lucky.

I'm not saying to race out and get the vaccine as I've always felt poorly after a vaccine.
My job requires a flu vaccine and I'm ignoring their requests. I fear I'll be faced with a bug decision sooner or later.

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If you never tested people and yourself energetically, in the fashion dr. K does, you won't know what you MAY find activated in your bodies.

When my lyme was screaming bad about 10 years ago, I slowly - but surely - developed a serious infection in the finger joints (and other joints).

Finger joints were closer to the skin. Skin opened up, then joints were so infected that they started putting pus out, until in certain joints, I could see my joints. Bad infection.

I tried a couple of antibiotics, to no avail.

By testing energetically, I found that my body wanted everything that had to do with TB: like Sanum products involving Mycobacterium TB and other nosodes I had home.

When I took these, my infection got a BIT better, but was far from healed.

I felt that infection could take my life, as I got so much fever, was not hungry anymore, and my joints were still exposed.

That lasted more than 2 weeks.

By chance, I decided to test another box of nosodes I had, and found out BCG nosode tested good.

I was given BCG vaccineas a child, at age 9, as I remember they came to school to give the drops to everyone.

Well, after that SINGLE BCG nosode, the infection ended.

I took it for a while, but it was a SINGLE therapy!!!


Antibiotics did not work: after reading about TB, I discovered it was already considered a super bug back then, and needed 5 simultaneous abx to knock it down.

And still, no guarantee of success.

No wonder the 2 abx I took barely scratched symptoms.


Nor normal TB nosodes used in energy medicine helped heal my fingers and hip joints.

The only thing that helped was BCG vaccine nosode!

Well, I concluded: due to lyme weakness, the strain that I got from TB as a child THROUGH A JAB stayed dormant in my body, DECADES...

until it found a way to reactivate, when I was mostly weak.

That happened more than 30 years ahead!!!!

That vaccine could have cost my life. Only that it would have happened 30 years after it!

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Info about BCG vaccine:

" The BCG vaccine contains a weakened strain of TB bacteria, which builds up immunity and encourages the body to fight TB if infected with it, without causing the disease itself.

The BCG vaccination is thought to protect up to 80% of people for up to 15 years."


"Several strains of TB bacteria have developed a resistance to one or more anti-TB medications, making them much harder to treat."


"The global epidemic of HIV that began in the 1980s has led to a corresponding epidemic of TB cases.

This is because HIV weakens a person's immune system, making them more likely to develop a TB infection."

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Add lyme to this picture.

It's not only HIV weakening our immune systems!


Note that they DID inject a 'WEAK STRAIN OF TB' in thousands, millions of people.

I wonder how much this exact MAN MADE TB-BCG strain is responsible to SPREAD TB in fact.

I'm sure I was spreading the bacillus all over, while it was active, during active lyme disease.

Not any bacillus: the EXACT bacillus found in the BCG vaccine!!!


TB causes meningitis, may cause extreme joint inflammation. It's not only the lungs!

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I got shingles 18 months ago at age 61. I procrastinated getting the vaccine and paid dearly for it. I started famvir soon as the 1st lesion appeared. Lesions got worse initially but were gone in 10 days. But......

The post herpetic neuralgia was torture;it lasted 3 months. 10/10 pain on my face that no meds could touch. It was on my right forehead and also got into my eye and did permanent damage to the cornea.

Shingles on the face originates at the root of the 5th cranial nerve (trigeminal) which is located in the medulla, the brain. This effed me up bad. I believe it also went into my vagus nerve. Either it triggered my Lyme or vice versa I'll never know but I'm certain that one triggered the other.

Flawed vaccine or not, I wish I'd gotten it in retrospect. 3 of my same age friends went right out and got it when they saw how bad I suffered. None had a problem with it.

It's one of those things where you pay your dime and take your chances. If you've never had shingles, consider yourself lucky.

I'm not saying to race out and get the vaccine as I've always felt poorly after a vaccine.
My job requires a flu vaccine and I'm ignoring their requests. I fear I'll be faced with a bug decision sooner or later.

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no way...

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Shingles Vaccine Ingredients:

- Sucrose,

- hydrolyzed (means reduced with chemicals) porcine (pig) gelatin,

- monosodium L-glutamate,

- sodium phosphate dibasic,

- potassium phosphate monobasic,

- neomycin (antibiotic)

- potassium chloride,

- residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein (this protein comes from an aborted human fetus' lungs, and is probably genetically modified)

- bovine calf serum.

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Some of the adverse reactions that MAY occur:

- Bovine cow serum: Extracted from cow skin.

When injected causes connective tissue disorders, arthritis and lupus; also shortness of breath, low blood pressure, chest pain and skin reactions.

- Human albumin:
The protein portion of blood from pooled human venous plasma;

when injected causes fever, chills, hives, rash, headache, nausea, breathing difficulty, and rapid heart rate.

Injecting "pooled blood" can result in a loss of body cell mass and cause immunodeficiency virus infection, or contain SV40, AIDS, cancer or Hepatitis B from drug addicts.

-Gelatin: Derived from the collagen inside animals' skin and bones.

Injecting gelatin poses the risk of infection from synthetic growth hormones and BSE infectivity (mad cow disease).


- MSG (monosodium glutamate): When injected becomes a neurotoxin, causing CNS disorders and brain damage in children.

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Merck admit shingles vaccine causing eye damage

Zostavax (shingles vaccine) accused to have caused damage and death to many patients who are suing the company

https://www.vaccineinjuryhelpcenter.com/shingles-vaccine/

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My hubby is a marketing lawyer for a large consumer company--- you should see the stories he comes home with about his company's young marketing staff's propensity for LYING and FRAUD. They don't even bat an eyelid at lying in their ad copy, and must be told time and time again that they are lying and deceiving the public!!! And the products they sell are simple paper products.

I can't even imagine how bad the young marketers are at vaccine companies and big pharma--- lying and deceit are in fashion now---and everything is about the next quarter $$$$$$ results-- not about whether you or your family are damaged!!! It is all junk science fueled by marketers.

I had a neighbor who was a scientist at Pfizer--- and one night she got drunk in the hot tub and told everyone how ashamed she was at the things Pfizer does-- then she shut up, realizing that she had over stepped by talking about the fraud at her vaccine company.

Anyone who has blind trust in what private business wants to insert into your precious body is -----literally a moron.

Be VERY CAREFUL with vaccines, Lyme patients!!!

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Thanks for sharing that anecdote.

I also knew someone from Romania whose sister was a top manager selling vaccines to governments.

Her sister would call her to say: 'NEVER give this or that vaccine to my nephew: keep him away!!!"

She spent most of her time in airplanes, flying from a country to another to convince governments to buy big packages of vaccines.

That was her MAIN task!

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Here below, an oncologist explains why he would not get chemio therapy himself for some cancers.

he's not an activist pro-con-, he's just writing about his own experience.

Years looking at his own patients after chemio and radiotherapies...

What it is to see the effect of such poison on his patients and whether it is correct to let patients have hope where there is no more hope and spend their last weeks, months in so big suffering.

he thinks it's questionable.

It's not about vaccine, but about lies (or hiding the truth from patients)

An MD talks openly why wouldn't he try the treatments he prescribes to his cancer patients

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