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mariel21
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Had a container and thought I would try it. Can't hurt me, right? OMG- four days later my head is on fire. Can't think straight and up all night. Anyone else have experience with this????
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Whoa, that sounds so awful. Sorry you are dealing with that. Maybe now, drinking a good amount of water throughout the rest of the day will help. Don't flood your body, though, it might help to cool down that "heat" reaction.

Was this with just a small amount?

How do you do with coconut oil? That might be better tolerated. Raw, unrefined, organic in glass jar.

Do you have candida overgrowth at this time? That would make reaction all the more likely.

Might the coating of the capsule or additives also to be considered? The age of this? Has the bottle been in heat? If so, that can ruin it.

Guess whatever that is, though if you could take that down to a very small amount, that might help but really, IMO best to just stop this for a while until your reaction has been gone for at least a week or two then start again at tiny amounts along with lots of water.

You may have seen this in your study search, though, it also might have gotten overlooked:

https://draxe.com/monolaurin/

Monolaurin - Dr. Josh Axe

2/3 of the way down:

. . . (section) Precautions . . . .

. . . However, you should not use monolaurin supplements or any other products that contain it if you have a coconut allergy. . . .

. . . Researchers continue to look at medicinal use and safety, but so far there aren’t any commonly occurring monolaurin side effects.

Some users may experience short-term monolaurin side effects resulting from the “die-off” effect also known as the Herxheimer reaction.

The Herxheimer reaction is when bacteria or yeast die off quickly and release toxins that can result in the following temporary symptoms:

headache, nausea, muscle pain, acne and/or skin rashes.

You may be able to avoid these symptoms by following supplement instructions that indicate starting small and gradually increasing dosages.

Speak with your health care provider before taking supplements containing this compound if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, have a medical condition or currently take any medication.
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I took the pellets- I scoop a day for 4 days. The reaction I am getting is not an allergy as I drink coconut milk all the time. It is an increase in my neurological symptoms. Thanks for your response. I will stop for a few days and hope it gets better.
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Also consider if the bottle you got might have been adulterated / counterfeit. Call directly the manufacturer listed on the label. Ask to be put through to their quality control person, that you have a reaction.

Early on, especially with straight caprylic acid (also from coconut) I had terrible reactions due to candida overgrowth. I will never - ever - take caprylic acid again.

But I do not recall the severity or type of reaction you describe.

If you have a naturopathic doctor a call would be a good move. They can tell you things to help reduce that internal heat. Clue: your liver might be really pushed right now and that can cause heat patterns in the body.

Check any expiration date on bottle, too.

Hope you feel better soon, oh, my!
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Thanks- I really don't think it is the product. I think it is what it did to whatever I have.
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Can you drink some sea salt, warm water and a bit of organic lemon juice? Or some dandelion tea. Both are kind liver helpers.

AlkaSeltzer Gold?

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
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Will do. Thank you so much.
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You are not alone marie121.

1 dose of 1/4 teaspoon of Cold pressed virgin coconut oil was absolutely AWLFUL.

Never will touch the stuff again regardless of its anti baterial and antiviral properties.

Monolaurin gets rave reviews for all its great medicinal values.
It made me drooling and bedridden. Never again.

I so wish I was was able to handle it.
It's such a simple med and works so well.for so many.
Everyone reacts differently.

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I’ve had a similar horrific neuro reaction to the Lauricidin brand of Monolaurin. I think I had yeast and a bunch of coinfection issues going on at the time, which just made it way too much die off at once. The doctor I was seeing advised to start that stuff with just a few pellets and slowly work up. I just cringe hearing that you were taking entire scoops. My guess is just too high a dose—start low and go slow with this one for sure, especially when yeast/SIBO/dysbiosis may be present as it sure does a number on these.

Clicked on this post bc I’ve actually been thinking about trying the Lauricidin again for gut issues I currently have, but starting up with just a few pellets of course and not being overambitious like the first time ;-) Buckling up for the ride!

~KJ

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I'm glad I found a way to stop having to try things that so often turned out to be way to harsh, even really damaging to my gut and causing so much pain & nausea in efforts to "kill candida" -- I lucked into a far easier and more effective way.

Of course, diet matters but that was not enough for me to get rid of all the sugars / simple carbs. Avoiding caffeine, no matter the source - and fizzy drinks, even if sugar free is also key. Still, that was not enough.

OLE came to my rescue.

For anyone dealing with candida / yeast overgrowth issues or who is taking antibiotics, I strongly suggest OLE over anything else, supplement wise, to address the issue.

OLE was so gentle yet effective for me to finally get far past candida trouble. And it offers so many other benefits. I took the Seagate brand as it has the best cultivation, gathering and processing practices outlined in links here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/115457?#000000

OLE Links - Olive Leaf Extract
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Thank you- glad to know I am not alone. I was up again all night and want this to die down. I don't think I will touch it again but others found it helped them so much so that's why I took it.
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Anyone know how to make this die down? Anti-inflammatories?
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I am NOT advocating you do this but I took 1/2 Xanax. Waited 45 minutes for some kind of calming effect but I ended up having to take the other 1/2. I live alone, started sufferering a panic attack, almost ready to call ambulance.

I feel so sorry for you.
Is there anyone that can stay with you till it passes?

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I am alone most of the time and I have diazepam. I am drinking a lot of water and just bought turmeric-900 mg. capsules. Something has to work. Thanks for your concern.
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If you have lyme disease then the chances you also have bartonella are pretty high. Bartonella causes abnormal cells, cancer.

https://academic.oup.com/femsre/article/36/3/563/634924

“Persistence of Bartonella spp. stealth pathogens: from subclinical infections to vasoproliferative tumor formation”

“Introduction to the Bartonella spp.-triggered vascular tumorigenesis;

And Lauric acid (Monolaurin) causes cell death (apoptosis) in those cancer cells.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32156243/

"Lauric Acid Modulates Cancer-Associated microRNA Expression and Inhibits the Growth of the Cancer Cell"

"Results: Interestingly, the lauric acid treatment suppresses the expression of oncogenic miRNA and significantly upregulated the expression of some tumour suppressor miRNAs. GeneMANIA metabolic pathway revealed that the upregulated tumour suppressor miRNAs regulate several cancer-associated pathways such as DNA damage, signal transduction p53 class mediator, stem cell differentiation, cell growth, cell cycle phase transition, apoptotic signalling pathway, cellular response to stress and radiation, etc. whereas oncogenic miRNAs regulate the cancer-associated pathway like cell cycle phase transition, apoptotic signalling pathway, cell growth, response to oxidative stress, immune response activating cell surface protein signalling pathway, cyclin-dependent protein kinase activity, epidermal growth factor receptor signalling pathways, etc. Conclusion: In our study, we found that lauric acid works as an anticancer agent by altering the expression of miRNAs."

Using this one will kill the abnormal cells that Bartonella makes and it is so effective that the die off could be pretty heavy especially in the head and neck area where Bart loves to create a lot of problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrXcyNu7YA&feature=emb_logo

My head and neck were full of abnormal cells and Monolaurin was very helpful in clearing those from the tissue.

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Thanks- I'm sure I have this too. Just got off of zithromax and bactrim for three weeks and now I am in bad shape. Maybe will try monolaurin again.
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Unfortunately there isn't any comfortable way to get these abnormal cells out of you. I'm just happy what I did worked and the way to do it is to pace yourself and build up slowly. drink a lot of water.

These will help you detox the die off....

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best-NAC-Detox-Regulators-60-Veggie-Caps/41653

https://www.bio-alternatives.net/ALA.htm

These will help the herxes;

https://www.iherb.com/pr/MRM-Nutrition-Quercetin-60-Vegan-Capsules/12059


https://www.iherb.com/pr/Nature-s-Plus-Bromelain-Supplement-1500-Ultra-Maximum-Potency-60-Tablets/7695

It's also a good idea to drink echinacea tea because some immune system cells fall to a low level and drinking that will bring them back up.

https://www.kroger.com/p/simple-truth-organic-immune-booster-herbal-tea-16-count/0001111086265

One thing is people are organisms, they are built out of organic molecules not synthetic ones. The 4 basic organic molecules are lipids, proteins, carbohydrates and DNA/RNA . Pharma are synthetic molecules created through chemical reactions. They just don't work well in an organic system. Organic molecules like the ones occurring in nature work better.

Also quite a bit of the infection gets in the skin layers and this soap is the soap version of monolaurin which will help get that out.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Kirk-s-100-Premium-Coconut-Oil-Gentle-Castile-Soap-Original-Fresh-Scent-3-Bars-4-oz-113-g-Each/21083

use that castile soap from now on.

When I did this it killed a lot of infected cells including red blood cells and those carry oxygen and process carbon dioxide. A low red blood cell count is Anemia and that accounts for a lot of lymies feeling tired so you would need a heme iron supplement. I like this one and still take one every morning.

https://www.integrativepro.com/products/vitamins-minerals/heme-iron-complex

You can find those on ebay or Amazon.

best of luck

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Some Echinacea stuff;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQc2P1DETw&feature=emb_logo

Echinacea: One Of Nature's Immune Modulators

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/edfc/2f3eccc0211a73323d3ad22cbd3eb32ed23e.pdf?_ga=2.41651306.994729615.1578764036-2079595479.1577300140

"Is it Possible to Get Too Much of a Good Thing?

We elected next to study the influence of daily consumption of Echinacea throughout life beginning in youth, i.e. 7 week of age (puberty), until early ‘old age’ (13 months) in inbred mice (37). There is considerable controversy concerning the duration/frequency with respect to human consumption of Echinacea. For example, the common label advice when purchasing Echinacea over the counter indicates that Echinacea should be taken for short spurts of time and then terminated for several days/weeks before resuming intake. The untested reasoning is that perhaps chronic overstimulation of the immune system via daily, long-term exposure to Echinacea could result in dependency, or worse, that immune system activity may fall to very low levels, rendering it incompetent to ward off even minor infections. Thus, in an effort to dispel or prove this theory, we fed young mice, from 7 weeks of age until 13 months, our standard, daily dose of Echinacea, previously shown to be NK-enhancing, in the chow—all other parameters strictly controlled (husbandry, gender, age, water/food intake quantity, etc.) as in our previous studies.

Our results (37), for the first time, provided concrete evidence that chronic (long-term) intake of Echinaceawas not only not detrimental but also distinctly prophylactic. Mice in control cages eating untreated chow had a 79% survival by 10 months of age, while mice living under identical conditions, with the one variable being Echinacea in the daily chow, were still 100% alive by 10 months of age. By 13 months of age, control mice were 46% still alive, while those consuming Echinacea were 74% alive. Furthermore, in the Echinacea-consuming mice, NK cells were statistically significantly elevated in absolute numbers at every sampling period, in both their bone marrow generating site and their site of maximum accumulation, the spleen (37). Given that the key immune cells acting as the first line of defense against developing neoplasms in mice and humans are NK cells, it is not difficult to conclude that sustained enhancement of NK cells alone, throughout life, could readily account for the reduced frequency in deaths with advancing age. Spontaneous neoplasms, clinically undetectable, are well known to increase with advancing age in humans and mice. Thus, the logical corollary from this study indicates that chronic daily intake of Echinacea, is clearly not detrimental to the immune system, but rather prophylactic."

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