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Phoiph,

Seems like you are saying I don’t have a critical eye. I beg to differ.

But your mind is not going to change no matter what facts are put in front of you.

Too bad the vaccines have not been tweaked for the delta variant since that variant makes up 90+% cases in the world

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Hiker, you don't know my mind, or what will change it.

My mind is not strictly on one side; but I believe the overwhelming majority of the information we are receiving is one-sided.

Therefore, I am presenting another side, offered by a legitimate professional.

To me, the "vaccines" will become a lifetime series of variant boosters, with loss of rights, jobs and privileges for those that do not comply.

To me this is unsustainable and unacceptable.

There are other obvious avenues that need to be explored, including prevention and treatment, and I question why there the emphasis is not there, where it should be, don't you?

This is what I mean by interpreting the "facts" and information we are receiving with a critical eye. What is the motive here? Is it truly on our health and well being?

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Didn’t I just say that I enjoyed listening to the doctor’s information on treatment? Furthermore more emphasis has been put in treatment. Pfizer, for example, has a new drug that could easily be dispensed to the world.

Prevention seems pretty simple: avoid crowded indoor areas, wear masks, if you feel ill stay away from others, proper ventilation in rooms, eat a healthy diet etc. and if you wish, get vaccinated.

Getting tested before seeing loved ones at major gatherings might be helpful, too.

Aaron Rogers may not have been very sick from Covid, but his case was caught via testing. Hopefully he didn’t spread it to others who might have become more ill.

We will eventually get the Covid pandemic under control and when that happens boosters may not be needed or needed so often.

I do not believe the overwhelming majority of the information we are receiving is one sided. That would be saying that every country in the world is conspiring together to give misinformation.

That would be saying every county health department in every state in our nation and every hospital is conspiring to give misinformation.

This I do know. Three of my friends have died from Covid. None of my friends have died or had ill effects from the vaccine.

My mom lives in a retirement center. Prior to the vaccines coming out there were many cases of Covid especially in the nursing home /rehab section. And quite a few in independent living where she is. These cases were brought in by people who worked there.

Since the vaccine there has not been a single case of Covid among the independent living residents. There have been some in the nursing home section but there is a high turnover of people on and out of rehab there and not all might have been vaccinated.

And I am sure some cases were due to breakthrough.

Some people were skeptical about the polio vaccine when it came out. And I am sure some were skeptical about the smallpox vaccine. You don’t see those in the USA anymore.

I looked up medical records yesterday and I had 6 polio vaccines as a child. Obviously none since.

Keep in mind that Covid 19 is a new disease. It appeared only 2 years ago. You can’t expect perfect treatments or perfect prevention in that amount of time.

And Phoiph, I am always happy to see you present the other side. You just don’t seem to like it when I don’t agree with everything.

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Hiker,

I'm happy to agree to disagree; nothing personal here...and I sincerely hope we can continue to publicly voice our views and differences in this country.

I can tell by your reply that we are seeing the "big picture" through different lenses, and that is OK.

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https://www.fastcompany.com/90699148/a-popular-covid-19-drug-may-not-help-women-new-study-shows

This article talks about the steroid treatment that the Texas doctor recommended. A Canadian study shows it helps men but NOT WOMEN!

Still so much to learn about treatments for Covid.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10217695/Unvaccinated-Americans-twice-likely-hospitalized-seven-times-likely-die-Covid.html

About vaccines

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I agree that there is still so much to learn about treatment...

But WHY is there still so much to learn about prevention and treatment When they can mass produce a "vaccine" at warp speed?

Why was/is the "vaccine" the only focus?

Many effective and inexpensive prevention and treatment protocols used by legitimate doctors have been censored and removed from public view.

Sadly, like many LLMD's, many of these docs have had to go under the radar to treat their patients.

Instead (as mentioned at the end of the "fastcompany" article posted above), the media and public sets their sights on the future drug as the new big thing.

Dexamethasone was only one of several treatment options that Dr. McCullough mentioned in the interview.

If it turns out to only prevent deaths in males and is less effective for females, than so be it...that's still helpful for half of the population. There are more options available.

For example, can you imagine how many lives might have been saved if there had been a prevention campaign when the low Vitamin D level/Covid death connection was discovered early on?

Free testing and Vitamin D supplementation could have been one of many inexpensive prevention strategies to improve people's awareness and immune health.

You have to dig for that information...but we sure hear a lot about the next great drug roll out!

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Why didn't anyone act on this?

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/12/21/Experts-send-Vitamin-D-and-Covid-19-open-letter-to-world-s-governments

https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds

The above is about mask wearing.

I think the initial focus was on prevention in terms of social, distancing, personal hygiene and then mask wearing.

To learn what drugs or supplements work to prevent Covid takes more time and double blind studies need to be done. Or enough studies done that their data can be collectively analyzed. That takes time.

Does it take more time than developing a vaccine? I don’t know the answer.

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https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q4/researchers-study-the-link-between-vitamin-d-and-inflammation.html

This study suggests that vitamin D is indeed helping in moderating Inflammation caused by T cells but also suggests it is not the type of vitamin D you would buy at a drugstore (like vitamin D3)

Too much vitamin D3 is harmful.

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Hiker...

Please clarify, because it sounds like what you're saying is that Vitamin D, which has been used safely forever (and had already proven effective as a preventative against death from Covid19 when the letter went out to governments), wouldn't have been a viable option because it would've taken too much time to do lengthy studies?

But...it is OK to inject a brand new, experimental mRNA therapy on a global scale...without the lengthy studies and testing normally required of a new drug or vaccine?

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The article you posted says the letter is based on multiple observances as well as RCTs.

I wish they had listed some of the randomized controlled trials.

Also says may take 10 times daily amount recommended by UK.

Seems like different studies have different results. What they agree on is vitamin D helps inflammation.

I guess with a pandemic they are desperate to get a better prevention.

And I will repeat too much Vitamin D can harm the body. No harm in taking the amount in the UK letter as long as you monitor with blood tests. Fat soluble vitamins get stored and can cause liver and kidney issues.

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Did you read the actual letter signed by over 200 doctors and scientists (second link)?

You will find references and studies.

Regarding safety, they're not promoting mega doses. Here's a quote from the letter:

"...Vitamin D’s safety is more like that of face masks. There is no need to wait for further clinical trials to increase use of something so safe, especially when remedying high rates of deficiency/insufficiency should already be a priority..."

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thank you for sharing the information, it's important now
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I agree. Glad the discussion is helpful.
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As of February 1, Austria is mandating "vaccinations" for their entire population, and currently imposing a lock down for unvaccinated citizens only, with fines imposed. Papers will be checked for anyone in public.

Other countries are following, imposing fines and refusing public services and government assistance, access to resources, etc., to the unvaccinated only.

Maybe they haven't heard mRNA therapy doesn't prevent infection or spread? Or that infected people, regardless of vaccination status carry the same load of virus and are equally contagious?

Are we next?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/19/not-just-austria-here-are-the-countries-making-covid-19-vaccination-compulsory-for-everyone/?sh=211106c04bf0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10203329/Anger-mounts-cops-start-enforce-Austria-Covid-lockdown-divides-society-two.html

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Pro-vax doctor explains why Covid19 shots shouldn't be mandated for all Americans:

Opinion: Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans | National News | US News
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

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I'm still amazed and shocked.

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The lockdowns and mandates are creating huge crowds of demonstrators, protestors, and rioters now, when keeping people apart is their goal...
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An interpretation of the statistics we're receiving:

https://newsxpres.com/how-covid-19-jab-benefits-are-exaggerated/

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https://www.science.org/content/article/hope-lyme-disease-new-vaccine-targets-ticks

They are hoping it would create a skin reaction at the bite (itching redness) in hopes that the person would pull off the tick before it can transmit disease. It doesn't prevent transmission, however they are thinking of also "loading" it with mRNA that targets the pathogen.

We can only wonder how someone's immune system who has/has had chronic Lyme would react.

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We are fine in our state.

(listed above)

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quote:
Originally posted by Phoiph:
https://www.science.org/content/article/hope-lyme-disease-new-vaccine-targets-ticks

They are hoping it would create a skin reaction at the bite (itching redness) in hopes that the person would pull off the tick before it can transmit disease. It doesn't prevent transmission, however they are thinking of also "loading" it with mRNA that targets the pathogen.

We can only wonder how someone's immune system who has/has had chronic Lyme would react.

No, thank you.

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Let's not forget there was a Lyme vaccine that was taken off the market.

I know someone badly injured by that one...horrible relapse and has not recovered.

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I do remember! Absolutely!

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Interesting perspective and interview by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, internal medicine doctor and former head of health at the Council of Europe, on how we got here:

https://www.freelysocial.com/the-who-is-an-institution-of-corruption/

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Truth! imo. Thank you for posting.
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Just reporting that I've done fine this past year and a half on 10 gms of Vit C/day, 5000 IU Vit D and a mushroom product, Host Defense, with 17 mushrooms in a capsule - 2 capsules in the am and pm M-F - mushrooms are anti-viral and we can just eat them.

I usually have gotten a flu a month, but not this past year and a half - barely just a couple.

My chiropractor has also done great - he has seen a couple hundred patients a week throughout this time. He takes a multi vit/min, extra zinc with quercetin and glutathione/NAC.

What bothered me from the beginning of covid is I saw no discussion about keeping the immune system strong. Obviously I and my chiropractor went into full boost mode from the beginning. No discussion of immune system strengthening? Something seemed off from the beginning, to me. Like they were trying to scare everyone without giving anyone any sense of control.

I also watched an online health summit in April 2020 - there was a doctor in Shanghai who said they weren't losing any covid patients there, including those with co-morbidities, because they were put on high dose IV Vit C.

Well, my lower dose Vit C is still in that category and I can stop or greatly reduce any flus I might be getting by upping it.

So I think this entire situation is overlooking, well us, basically - the fight we can bolster inside successfully.

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Thank you, Robin~
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"They" told us nothing about keeping ourselves healthy because .....

My husband and I take Zinc, selenium, Vit D 3 (with K2). He also takes melatonin and some Vit C, which I don't do well with.

He got a light case of CV we never knew he had until he was tested for antibodies last month.

Knock on wood, I have not been ill once for at least the past two years. I battle MCAS everyday, but that is another story.

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Good to know, Lymetoo.

Just curious, were you also tested for antibodies?

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No, but he was supposed to check last week. I ended up at a different lab than the one at his office, so I think it was left off.

When I get my results of the other blood work, I'll ask him about the CV if it wasn't done. My doctor's office sent me to the other lab due to the specific type of testing he wanted done.

I've had my antibodies checked twice over the past year and they came back negative both times. I think it's been at least 6 months since my last one.

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