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Hi all,
I know the topic of alcohol and Lyme has come up before. I read through some topics, but none answered my questions exactly.

That being said; this weekend, I am going to a brewfest with my Dad - we had the trip planned before I was diagonosed. I am currently taking Doxy and have been for nearly 2 weeks now. Personally, after drinking a couple of beers, I am VERY shakey, nervious, and have palipation-type symptoms the day after. Since I will be drinking beer this weekend, do any of you have suggestions on how to combat the Lyme symptoms that go along with drinking alcohol? My plan (so far) is:
1. Drink LOTS of water.
2. Drink far less beer that I would usually.
3. Take acidophilious (but how much, how often?)

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!


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Is there any reason you will be drinking beer this weekend?

You'd better take tons of acidophilus....but I don't know if that will help any at all. I would take 2 capsules three times a day.

lots of water is good......but why the beer if it makes you sick?

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while at your beerfest... don't forget to avoid prolonged sun exposure (not good while on doxy).
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Doesn't alcohol keep the antibiotics from working? Why not go and don't drink? Bring your own stuff. You must pardon this question but, are you really that sick if you can go drink beer at a kegger?...
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It is inside, so no sun exposure. I will be drinking beer because this is a craft beer festival, NOT a kegger (think upscale wine tasting, if that's easier). The purpose is not to get drunk, but rather to TASTE different beers and gain an appreciation of them. As a brewer myself, I am very much into craft brewing and it is a large part of my life. I AM sick (though you may not think so), but I absolutely refuse to allow this disease to control my life.

Thank you for the acidophilus dosing info.


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pivo,

Sorry if my response was curt. I am herxing and not feeling well at all, sorry.

peace
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daniella,

Not a problem... I hope you start feeling better soon!


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good luck, pivo! Come back again if you have other questions!
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Expect a MAJOR herx if you drink alcohol.

Research alcohol in depth...what it does to the body...brain cells, etc.

Keep in mind Bb follows the cholesterol pathway...lipids.

Then figure out WHY/HOW alcohol impacts this pathogen.


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I used to take milk thistle & acidophillus before I'd go to a kegger, and guzzle a 10oz few bottles of H20 after. For me, it was a hangover helper.

I haven't had a brewski since I got sick, and man do I miss the suds!


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[This message has been edited by pippy (edited 20 July 2005).]

Live and Let Live

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Years ago before I knew I had Lyme I got better in my "condition"

SO I began to drink beer with my friends.

It turns out that I had some alcoholic friends who would pass me a beer every day.

Within a year of drinking alcohol 3 times a week I had a MAJOR relaplse.

I spent the next year in bed most of the time, crying all the time severelly depressed and weak.

I thought I needed a psych.

Then it dawned upon me that my CFIDS and fibro might be related to my alcohol then developed alcohol intollerence and mental illness.

Turns out I was right. It was definitlley contributing to my condition.


I havent had a drop of alcohol in close to a year. I have a severe intollerence now.


The last time I had a beer, the next day I wanted to kill myself literally. I was crying the whole day.


Try explaining that one DOC!!!!!


People who are just depressed are able to go out and get drunk. I cant even do that :;


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Hi Pivo-

If you aren't taking milk thistle already to help your liver function better, it would be good to start before your adventure.

It could be a question to ask your druggist or perhaps the doctor's office.

I have been on tetra for several years. My llmd says at this point if I skip abx an occational Saturday it is ok. This is probably not the best thing 2 weeks into treatment.
Mel


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If you cannot go out and enjoy yourself once in a blue moon... I was so strick for over a year and am still fighting lyme an babs. I mean totally strict with diet... Still am very strict for the most part.

I have to admit I went to a wine tasting recently and caved after watching my husband and dad sampling. Actually my mom and I both caved as she is infected too.

For me I do not think the couple of times I have cheated in the past few months has made any difference... How long have many of us been fighting this? and being good? Please do not think I am saying drinking is good for you...

Then there are those I know like my very good friend infected 5 years w/lyme treated short term 4x... felt terrible since the first bulls eye... you know the routine...

Then found lyme doc, did 7 months of meds, still symptom free after 1 1/2 years and feels great. Yelp, he drank beer only on the weekends. I thought he was careless at at the time.

Well here he is still feeling wonderful and here I here I am still sick. As with this disease in general... Everyone is different...

I think only you know the answer to your question... if you think you are ok with drinking beer or what ever your choice on occasion then thats your decision.

I had an interesting conversation with my new doc recently and alcohol came up plus all the bad stuff. He said to me another doc recently said to him "If you can't go to a ball game and enjoy a beer and a hot dog, Whats the point" and I have to say - I totally agree. Everything in moderation.

We are all human, some love ice cream... We all cheat so just try to do your best. Hey if it makes you sick dont do it but if you can handle an occasional beverage...

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Early on in my Lyme adventure, while on doxy I had wine occaisionally, in moderation without exagerated effects. Beer was more problematic probably because of yeast.

When I went on tetra I stopped drinking completely for many months. Recently I had a some wine and scotch while on vacation. I did not feel any worse. My LLMD says drinking in moderation is fine.

My advice to you is: don't drink too much, eat first (not sugar or other bad stuff), there must be plenty of sausages at a brewfest. Get well hydrated before you head to the brewfest. Wear a hat and stay out of the sun.

Cheers!
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I know my son feels his reaction to one drink is more like others reactions to many......

so be aware your body may not permit you to have much.


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3. Take acidophilious (but how much, how often?) 2 or 3 capsuls every 2 hrs worked for me and I took extra bcomplex vitamins and before I went to bed I took magnesium another complexb,and 2 more acidophilis.

Warning make sure to drink a couple of large glass's of water or your hangover will be extreme.

If you dont have to drink dont though.


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Thank you to all those that have been helpful!

For clarification, did I ever say I was going out to get "ripped?" No. My question was not "can I go out and get really drunk", but rather, "since I am going to be drinking (lightly at that), what can I do to help myself out." Of course, the right thing to do is to not drink at all. Can I restrain myself and not drink this weekend...sure. But the question is, can I drink (in moderation) this weekend and take the necessary precautions and be ok with it? From all the responses so far, I see that answers to this are like answers to anything else pertaining to Lyme:
- It varies from person to person.
- Some people are 100% against (or for) it.

To the people calling me "stupid"... Do you stick to your diet 100% of the time (no sugar, no carbs, etc)? Do you exercise every day? Do you do everything that you are supposed to do all of the time? Has it helped? If so, great! If not, I wish you the very best in your recovery.

Next week, I will probably go on IV, so I see this as the last time that I'll be able to do something that I love for a very long time. I'm not going to go and get ripped, but rather pace and enjoy myself as much as I can. If I injest 2 beer total, will I pay for it the next day? Maybe. Is there something that could help me advert the effects? That was my original question.

Sorry about the ramble.


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Pivo, you must be Czech! How else would you, the brewer, come with this username? Veruska
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quote:
Originally posted by pivo:
Is there something that could help me advert the effects? That was my original question.

Sorry about the ramble.


3. Take acidophilious (but how much, how often?) 2 or 3 capsuls every 2 hrs worked for me and I took extra bcomplex vitamins and before I went to bed I took magnesium another complexb,and 2 more acidophilis.
Warning make sure to drink a couple of large glass's of water


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No pivo, i don't stick to my diet,etc.
i'm a sinner....but i would not consciously drink alcohol in any amount with an antibiotic, other medicines calling for abstention form those things that would destroy the medicine.

same if one eats minerals,mineral-containg food with the tetracycline class of abx, or other medicines that say don't eat/drink this that, and the other food item/beverage with a given medicine.

quote:
Originally posted by pivo:
Thank you to all those that have been helpful!
"...."

To the people calling me "stupid"... Do you stick to your diet 100% of the time (no sugar, no carbs, etc)? Do you exercise every day? Do you do everything that you are supposed to do all of the time? Has it helped? If so, great! If not, I wish you the very best in your recovery.

Next week, I will probably go on IV, so I see this as the last time that I'll be able to do something that I love for a very long time. I'm not going to go and get ripped, but rather pace and enjoy myself as much as I can. If I injest 2 beer total, will I pay for it the next day? Maybe. Is there something that could help me advert the effects? That was my original question.

Sorry about the ramble.


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I just want to jump in here and support you. I really dont understand why people say mean and inflamatory things on a support discussion board. There are other ways of saying that you disagree with someone rather than attacking them.

Anyhow, it seems like several people here are very anti alcohol in any context. It is a different mentality than those of us who do enjoy fine wine, a good home brew and fine food. It must be more controversial than I ever thought it would be. A sign of the times in our ever divided country and world?

I think you will do fine to sip and taste and eat while sipping and tasting throughout the day/night. The eating and taking tons of acidoph will help. I would just take a whole bottle and keep swallowing handfuls when you drink water.

I do realise this is ANYTHING but a kegger and you are not going to get ripped. Enjoy yourself and drink lots of water, eat non-yeast/sugar things and take probioitcs.

Let us know how it went please.
Have a taste for those of us who cant.
SALUD!
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first I want to say that this person did NOT need to be lambasted for asking a question. THat isnt nice.

second and this is just MY EXPERIENCE (everyone is different) I occasionally have 1 beer OR 1 glass of wine. I do not have a problem with it. If I have 2 then I feel nasty.

I do take milk thistle.

I think your plan of sipping in moderation is a good one and you SHOULD enjoy yourself. If you feel worse then you know not to do it again.

I agree we are so restricted in everything we do its very difficult at times.

Have a great time with your family.
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Have a good time and like everyone said, be very moderate.

I must say I was disappointed in your post. When I read the title I got excited and thought maybe I could drink beer and get well. Of course that dream was too good to be true.


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Sheesh....give pivo some credit for having common sense! It's his body.

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Do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express!
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Thank you to all the supporters who responded! I've had a bad day today so I'm thinking of not going this weekend :-(. However, I was told by the ER doctor that he doesn't think that I have Lyme and that I should see someone about possibly anxiety attacks. This is after over a year of symptoms and a very positive IgM.

I do appreciate all of your comments!!

Actually, my wife is Russian and Pivo = Beer in Russian too. :-)


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HI Pivo,

I say go if you are not feeling too bad. You can always leave and if you are anything like myself then the way I feel changes like the weather...one minute I feel good then next I am on the ground.

I find the only thing that helps me to keep my sanity is to keep on living life as best I can. I of course couldn't do this for the first four months of treating lyme and two coinfections but now I try to get out because it gets my mind off of things if only for a few minutes.

Can't you treat the beer tasting like a wine tasting and just spit up the beer after you swish it

I hope you are able to go and have fun!!!!


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Pivo,

I apologize if I came on too strong.

Have a good time


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Pivo, please dont listen to an ER doc tell you that it is NOT Lyme. I am sure that he/she doesnt know half of it compared to a lyme literate doctor. I rarely heed ER doctors for any advice except - you are currently going to DIE if we dont cut off those toes, etc. You know- they are trained to look for deadly situations, not long, chronic, complex, lingering ones like Lyme.

Just my opinion,
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Pivo, I sure hope you get to go. It sounds like this is one of your passionate joys in life and it a shame to miss it cuz you dont feel good.

Ive done many things when I thought I just couldnt get up off the bed. As long as it was something I was passionate about and had people around to keep my adrenals boosted enough to get me thru the day Id make it.

The problem is your going to feel even worse if you stay home.

I get out so seldom that I try and push myself to the max when its something fun.

Go have fun and be sick tomorrow. That my medical advice from a former beer drinker.


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Dont EVER listen to an ER dr when it comes to Lyme-they don't know what the heck they are talking about!!!!

My hubby is on doxy and he does occassionally have a beer or two. I don't personally see the harm. Its not like you are gonna go out and get sloshed now are you? And you know what, I personally (and this is just my opinion-im no medical expert) think that skipping a dose of your doxy to have a few beers would be ok. My lyme md says it's ok every once in a while as long as you don't make a bad habit out of it.

I hope you go anyway and have some fun!! I had a few margaritas a couples weeks ago and man was it good to just kick back and unwind a bit!!! Nope, didn't have any major flare ups either. All the best to you!!

Nancy


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