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Hello, I've been battling lyme for over a decade. I recently was told a mass was found in my spleen, they think it is a hematoma (bruise) that is old, or a parasitic cyst.
Does lyme disease correlate with a parasitic cyst?
In addition, I have had trouble with ovarian tumors, one was "borderline" meaning changing to cancerous.
I am only 37 and was perfectly healthy before lyme disease hit.
Does anyone have any info or has anyone experienced these test results?
The radiologist seemed to think a parasytic cyst would only come from exotic travel which I haven't done.
Help anyone?

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Parasitic cyst?
Were you ever tested by a LLMD for parasites?You should be ticks carry tons of stuff and when you have lyme all these other things get achance to thrive because your immune system gets whacked.


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Even though this is one for the experts, there are two harmless suggestions that a non-medical person can make.

First, there are certain supplements that have gone through a LOT of rigorous scientific testing, that have been proven to prevent or reduce the risk of cancer. There are pages and pages on Google about them. They are:

CoQ10
selenium
fresh flaxseed (please research the dosage, as there is some disagreement)

Second, the co-infections do cause problems with the spleen and liver. Before I started treating my bart and babs, I had an enlarged spleen and elevated liver enzymes. Under no circumstances am I saying these are the problem for you, but if you have had Lyme for a decade, have not yet treated the co-infections, and have spleen symptoms, you may want to check this out as one possibility out of many.


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Yes, Lyme is associated with lymphoma.
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Cal Lyme,

Can you tell us where you got this information?

Thanks.


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Lyme/Cancer Links http://lymenews.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=cancer

Yes, Cal Lyme is correct, it has been associated with Lymphoma. There is an article on it at the above link.


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see Art Doherty's monster page of lyme links, part of which has links on lyme and cancer.

one or more TBDs is also associated with multiple myeloma.

as part of a healing regimen for illnesses, including cancers, consider sites that discuss the use of plant and animal enzymes.

for starters on use of various kinds of formulations of enzymes,see http//www.mucos.de they make wobenzym a product with which you might be familiar.

also do a search on the term: 'systemic enzyme therapy'

certain formulations are more appropriate than others for various 'stages' of different kinds of diseases.

E.g. the inclusion or omission of one or more enzymes in a given preparation has to do with keeping inflammation at a low level, or some other desirable level, or shutting down totally for a short time period, then resumming it at a given desired level or close to it.

one kind of lymphoma associated with lyme i read about, and was either cured, or kept at bay, simply with antibiotic therapy for lyme, was a B-cell lymphoma in at least one lyme patient. i think you can find mention of this b-cell lymphoma case in one of the database sections on this site.


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Are you saying we should consider taking anti-inflammatories?


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pq:
I did as you suggested, and Googled "systemic enzyme therapy."
Holey moley!

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Last night I read several articles about systemic enzyme therapy.

I started taking Wobenzym, an enzyme blend, about two months ago after reading information about hypercoagulation. So far, it is relieving one of my major symptoms, continuous headache. I no longer wake every morning with a splitting headache, and although I'm still getting headaches and migraines, the pain is less.

From what I understand, systemic enzymes strip off the fibrin that coats bacteria, so that the immune system can eradicate them.
This is good therapy if you have Lyme Disease, and apparently it's also good therapy for cancer.
According to the literature, enzyme therapy is often prescribed in Europe for people with cancer. Some are also using it as a cancer preventative, or so that their cancer will be less likely to metastisize.

It's amazing that we don't hear much about this in the U.S.

Some of the Lyme literate doctors are advising their patients to use systemic enzymes. It helps the antibiotics to be more effective.

I really think that we need to make more Lymeies aware of this therapy. I would not have known about it without the discussion provided here by some of the more knowledgeable members of LymeNet.

Carol


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Thank you one and all, my state of confusion is huge right now. I'll be back with more questions, soon. Thanks again, a lot to read and digest.
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If you look at this from a broad perspective...all the pathogens...be they bacterial, fungal, viral...are parasites.

They take from us certain nutrients.

The SARS virus binds to ACE2...researchers gave mice this enzyme and prevented the damage. The virus locked onto the "excess".

Bb esp. loves acetyl Co A. This impacts cholesterol and the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine.

We KNOW...albeit from only 2 patients in Romania...that Mg levels take a huge dive very fast in this disease.

How does this impact the system? Mg and Ca are needed to make healthy, not damaged (Fab portion), antibodies specifically designed by our bodies to combat the spirochete, Bb.

Mg is needed to make hormones, enzymes and control the enzymes...ESPECIALLY those that put the brakes on the glycolysis pathway and the cholesterol pathway AND those enzymes that are antioxidants.

Mg is needed ...well, most of it is locked onto ATP inside the cells.

To learn all about the many functions of Mg, go here:
http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.htm

Without enough Mg...down the road, we cannot "hold onto" Ca or K. This is bad news.

Mg is needed....along with several other nutrients to make the neurotransmitters.

But most important: it is capable of stimulating DNA REPAIR.

Okay...where does cancer fit in?

Our first line of defense against cancer is our NK cells. They need Mg and Ca....along the way.

Documentation (cut and paste a long time ago):

Antibody Dependent Killer (K) and Natural Killer (NK) cells (ASCC) kill by extracellular cytotoxicity by binding to a target cell and secreting cytolysins which unidirectionally kill the target cell. Once the target is bound by an NKAR and no NKIR is activated, the cytotoxic reaction occurs.

The interaction of cell adhesion molecules between NK and the target cell may tighten the attachment. The first step is a MAGNESIUM DEPENDENT movement of the cytoplasmix organelles (Golgi and granules) of the NK cell to face the target cell.

The secretion of the granule contents into the intercellular space is a CALCIUM DEPENDENT step that results in the preferential insertion of perforin pores into the target cell membrane.
http://www.microimm.mcgill.ca/coursenotes/513NKILL-Note.pdf

The above link does not work anymore. However, since these are ``course notes'', I will assume this is ``common knowledge'' at the college level for those studying microbiology/immunology.

If one nutrient is deficient = problems. If more drop (and they all work together) = big problems.

In his patent titled:"Magnesium for autoimmune", Dr. Valletta cured RA, ulcerative colitis and invasive bowel CANCER in 6 months by using Mg pyrophosphate and sublingual B6.

Cancer follows the glycolysis pathway too. This has been known for a long time. It likely also follows the cholesterol pathway too.

The use of statin drugs, the new research on melatonin and cancer...all point to this.

So, what works, right?

Our own healthy antibodies...

Magnesium to put the brakes on the glycolysis and cholesterol pathways (restore control of the enzymes), Valletta's patent would likely work, but who, in this country, will do it?

Na-Vitamin C protocol. To do the above as well as impacting other things (elastase issues)

Benicar...but this scares me...I am most concerned with the possible permanent kidney damage from the high doses.

O3...perhaps a direct hit. Trivalent substances are used to combat the toxins from botulism.

Rife...a direct hit. Must recognize additional toxins (acids, neg. charges) releases and counter this after sessions.

TNF alpha - no. While it maybe protective, it is not a cure.

Acetylcholine...or phospholipid exchange may indeed help.

What doesn't work?

Antibiotics. They deplete the nutrients needed AND destroy great numbers of the beneficial bacteria which help us to absorb and MAKE nutrients. They alter the body's chosen immune response...and we don't know yet if that is a good thing or a bad thing...longterm. But for sure the first 2 reasons are reasons enough.

Bb is H2O2 "resistant". This has huge implications because this acid...hydrogen peroxide...NORMALLY is able to knock off most pathogens. This is how we normally stay healthy.

This bug PREFERS an acidic environment.

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Eradication of Borrelia burgdorferi infection in primary marginal zone B-cell lymphoma of the skin
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My two favorite search engines for medical stuff are pubmed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

and Google Scholar http://scholar.google.com/

With pubmed sometimes things are listed in whimsical ways so sometimes you have to be flexible in coming up with search terms-

for example today there was a new abstract on Lyme in kids which was new in the pubmed system but if you put in Lyme or borrelia or borreliosis it will NOT appear- only under NEUROborreliosis. You have to be patient when searching there but it is always worth it. SO something on Lyme and cancer may NOT be under lymphoma even if it IS Lyme and lymphoma and openly identified- the search terms are not searched for throughout the abstracts but only entered by people when articles go in- example as above- the input person went, "Oh, this belongs under Neuroborreliosis!!" They could also have, this astounds me sometimes, when I find abstracts on Lyme which are NOT brought up under Lyme or borreliosis or borrelia or neuroborreliosis OR spirochete but some input person will have simply entered as a search term- TICK!!! So be patient when using that system-


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An old LDF brochure connects cancers of the breast, brain, pituitary and bite site with Lyme. New info suggests a connection to Lymphoma.

One problem is that there are so many Lyme symptoms it's hard to know when something more lethal is rearing its ugly head.


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Thank you all!
Oh my, I am reading so much info on lymenet, my husband threatened to put me on lap top restriction!

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