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Ladylee210
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Hello everyone,

In another thread here something was mentioned about "WHEY" I was wondering about it - what it does and what is it for.

Claire answered some for me (thank you) but as she said others may have somethings to offer as well????

Thank you.

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It's derived from milk. It contains proteins from milk. Maybe you can find more at www.answers.com ??

Remember Little Miss Muffet?? She was "eating her curds and whey." [Big Grin]

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Whey is loaded with good minerals that are so necessary for detoxing of anything. If you don't have the minerals, detoxing does not take place.
Minerals contained in foods, such as whey, are readily absorbable. Mineral absorption is a problem - one of the causes of disease.

Take care.

Do a search here - you will find other comments on minerals and whey.

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One of my docs (a neurotherapist)recommended that I start supplementing protein and suggested whey as one possible source. Eclipse makes a good whey protein that is low in calories, sweetened without aspartame or ace-k, and even includes some other amino acids. It actually tastes good too. I think the main sweetener is Splenda, which as far as I know is still safe. Its sold at stores like www.bodybuilding.com for about $25.

Since I ran out of it I've been eating a relatively nasty tasting rice protein from my LLMD's office. I'd be interested to know which is better - whey or rice based protein powders.

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Dr. CHENEY ON UNDENATURED WHEY


Written by Carol Sieverling, this article is based on tapes of her April 1998 and October 2000 visits to Dr. Cheney, and a transcript of presentation he made in Orlando in 1999. He gave permission to share this information, but has not reviewed or edited it.

Many CFS patients are taking Immunocal, ImuPlus, or ImmunePro, based on the recommendation of nationally known CFS specialist Paul Cheney, MD, PhD.

These are all "undenatured" whey products, which are processed at lower temperatures than typical powdered whey protein.

This requires a meticulous filtering process to maintain purity.

The lower temperature preserves the fragile, but powerful, biologically active proteins, lactoferrin, and immunoglobulins in whey.

What are the benefits of undenatured whey? It can address the glutathione deficiency that is virtually universal in CFS patients.

Deficits in glutathione functionality show up as elevated lipid peroxide levels on the Great Smokies Oxidative Stress Test (www.gsdl.com), and also as elevated citrate and alpha ketoglutaric levels on the Great Plains Organic Acids Test, 913-341-8949.

Glutathione deficiency has two major implications: detox failure and viral/microbial activation.

Glutathione plays a major role in detoxification pathways. This deficiency impairs the body's ability to get rid of toxins, whether environmental or by-products of cellular metabolism.

CFS patients slowly become toxic, storing away poisons in fatty tissue, muscles, organs and the brain.

This cellular detox failure can make CFS patients "canaries to their environment".

Detox programs that have been successful in other conditions can actually put some CFS patients in the hospital if their glutathione deficiency is not first addressed.

Glutathione is also a powerful antiviral and anti-microbial weapon.

Glutathione deficiency not only compromises antiviral and anti-microbial defenses, it also has a potent pro-viral effect. While the presence of glutathione inhibits viruses and intracelluar organisms, its absence stimulates them.

Glutathione deficiency actually augments viral replication.

Anthony Falci, the top HIV researcher at the NIH, has shown that HIV growth can be completely stopped by raising glutathione levels in-vitro in cell cultures.

If glutathione levels can be raised, the replication of almost any pathogen inside the cells can be stopped.

Given the widespread reactivation in CFS of viruses like EBV, CMV, and HHV6, and the activation of microbes like myco-plasma, chlamydia pneumoniae and candida, finding a way to raise glutathione levels inside the cells has been a top priority of the Cheney Clinic.

No treatment prior to the whey seemed to successfully address this deficiency.

Supplementation, injections, and other interventions failed to significantly affect the glutathione levels inside the cells, where 90% of the body's glutathione is needed.

Cheney found undenatured whey protein was the best way to increase glutathione levels and function.

The clinic conducted a six-month study of the first patented bioactive whey product (Immunocal), and discovered it significantly improved glutathione function.

Though it was a small study (eight patients), the results were consistent with the feedback from Cheney's patient population as a whole. Seven of the eight study participants finished the study.

They all began by taking two packs a day. At the three-month point, half the group was switched to one pack a day.

One patient had received so much benefit from two packs a day that he refused to take the lower dose and dropped out of the study.

Five of the seven patients who finished the study had positive responses.

The two who felt no benefit were the least ill to begin with. Cheney speculates that their healthier digestive systems might have more fully digested the whey, making it less effective.

It s very important that all whey products be taken on a completely empty stomach so that no acid or digestive enzymes are present to break it down.

Some patients even take an antacid 30 minutes before taking whey to reduce that possibility.

Patients in the study were allowed to choose which tests would be run, since they were paying for them.

Each patient who tested positive for mycoplasma and chlamydia pneumoniae at the beginning of the study tested negative six months after treatment, regardless of whether they finished the study with one or two packs a day.

This suggests one pack a day will wipe out intracellular bacteria.

Three patients were tested for HHV6. Two were positive. The patient who stayed on two packs a day the entire six months was negative at the end of the study.

The patient who dropped to one pack a day remained positive.

This suggests that at least two packs a day are needed to neutralize viruses.

There is a "dose response" issue with both Immunocal and ImuPlus.

Some who did not respond at two packs a day noticed real benefits at three.

A few patients have even gone to five or six to reach maximum benefit.

However, Cheney's recommended starting dose for Immunocal and ImuPlus is two packs a day. Increase the dose only if minimal or no benefit is seen, and give it a six-month trial.

Each packet contains 10 gm, or 1.75 Tbsp.

ImmunePro appeared on the market in late 1999.

It has a different production process than the other two whey products.

Independent testing revealed that it contains two to six times more of each bioactive ingredient.

It appears to be a much more powerful product than the other two undenatured whey proteins, but also more problematic.

Cheney tested ImmunePro on approximately nine patients. Only two or three had positive outcomes. Those who responded well, did so at lower doses than required with Immunocal or ImuPlus.

Five grams twice a day is Cheney's recommended dose. He has seen no added benefit from higher doses.

Some patients need to begin with much smaller doses and gradually work up.

It is speculated that ImmunePros greater potency causes it to mobilize more toxins more quickly - often more toxins than the body can handle. On the other hand, Cheney also believes that it may have benefits the others do not have - if you can tolerate it.

Some patients take a small amount of ImmunePro along with normal doses of one of the other whey products.

Which whey product should you choose, and where can you get it? Immunocal is the best documented, has the original patents, and is the most expensive. It is available at nutritionadvisor.com (1-800-378-1578) and immunesupport.com (1-800-366-6056). A special purchase program called the Numed-Tech Buyers Club is available for those who have no insurance coverage for Immunocal, make less than $25,000 a year, and have not purchased Immunocal from another source in the last six months. The cost is $40 a box with a prescription. (A box contains 30 packets and usually sells for $60 to $100.) Contact pharmacist Charlie Green at 209-948-3174, fax 209-465-1398.

Though Cheney has not officially tested ImuPlus, reportedly it's very similar to Immunocal. It is available from immunesupport.com and needs.com (1-800-634-1380). It's less expensive than Immunocal and contains 60 packets per box.

ImmunePro is certainly the best choice economically. It's more potent, but more problematic for some. A canister of 300 gms (60 servings) is available at immunesupport.com and needs.com .

As with all products, individual responses vary. Ideally you could try each product for several months to see which works best for you. Most lactose intolerant individuals can take Immunocal and ImuPlus, but ImmunePro does contain lactose.

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Splenda is not safe. You might want to do some some research. My choice when it comes to sugar is the real thing and just a little of it: organic cane sugar or organic maple syprup and just a little of it.

Take care.

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Parisa,
Great article, thanks.

I first heard about ImmunoPro at LymeNet.
Somebody's LLMD had recommended it for him/her.
I bought it at iHerb.com, but I see that it's presently not in stock.

I had it on hand for awhile, as I was trying some other supplements.
I started taking it a couple weeks ago.

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=WEL-00100

Wellwisdom, ImmunoPro Rx, 10.6 oz
SRP: $59.95
Our Price: $38.99
Plus an additional discount at the checkout.


LadyLee:
You can do a LymeNet search for glutathione to see past discussions.
I've been taking supplements to try to raise the glutathione level.


Carol

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Ditto... thanks Parisa.

Claire

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And Carol, too. Your post on one of Eric's (Polar Blast's) topic started the musings.
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Ladylee210
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Thanks everyone.

Carol is there a way of knowing if your glutathione level is low?

I'm assuming that everyone is agreeing that this is good to take and it helps?????

Is that because it is the protein, more or less because we need to be on high protein diet?

So this helps a person who is on a high protein diet?

I ask that because I'm on high protein - but sometimes I just feel like I need more - or maybe I"m not getting enough.

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Would a whey protein product be a good choice for a 3 year old child who has numerous allergies, including dairy, but needs protein?
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Clancy,

I have a very strong sensitivity to dairy and so I refused to try whey protein for several years. My daughter also has the same sensitivity.

One day, I purchased a product with whey protein in it by accident, left it on the shelves for a few months more. Finally, I broke down when I couldn't get my rice protein product (out of stock for awhile). Not only does it seem to agree with me, I feel so much more healthier on it, then the rice protein. Same holds true for my daughter. We all seem to be doing much better.

Still, I would proceed with caution, especially if your child has a true allergy vs a sensitivity.

Claire

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Whey Protein powder gives me more energy. It's a protein. It must be be my body is lacking in protein?. I have read you can over do it with protien supps. But if you don't get enogh protein like in the morning ect..

The whey powder from GNC works for me as well as the exspensive powder I used from vitacost.

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HMMM can any of you tell me of the brands that your using and where you get it?

Do they have carbs and sugar in them?

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Ladylee,

The product I use is called Paleomeal and it's made by Designs for Health. It is one of those products that one goes through a practitioner to receive. However, I have seen it sold on the internet. Google "paleomeal."

There is little sugar in it and no carbs that I am aware of (hence the name paleo, which refers to the paleo diet, which frowns on carbs).

If it seems too pricy PM me as I might have some other sources.

5dana8 says that she does well on something from GNC, and Carol lists a product.

Maybe others will have suggestions too. It is good to have a lot of choices.

Claire

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www.bodywise.com


AG Immune - recommended by Dr. E

Whey extract is one of the contents. I've been on it 2 1/2 yrs now (along with the rest of their vitamins). [Smile]

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I know I am allergic to dairy products. Sometimes I can tolerate Goat products "a little." (I don't have as stong as a reaction to a very small amount of say, goat yogurt)

But now I am wondering if it is the Whey or the Casein or BOTH.

The things that make you go hmmm... [confused]

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clarie

Thanks and your right it is good to have a choice of different ones.

I'm extremely sentive to things that have even the smallest amount of sugars and carbs - so that is why I'm asking.

My local pharmacy has GNC brand so I might wonder out later and go take a look see.

As I would like to add more protein to my diet, I did research some of those 'skip a meal' drinks and the one that I found that had the smallest amount of sugar or cards was the slimfast low carb diet one - it had high protein 20 grams. The others had more sugar and less protein go figure.

I tried the slimfast - it didn't agree. It might be a milk product maybe as it looks like a shake.

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Juilie

Hope you caught up with your sleep, and thanks for the info.

I will research it.

Do you by that from Dr E's office?

Remeber to email me [email protected]

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I've been using ImmunPlex for years, I get it from immunesupport.com. I thinks it's the cheaper version of ImmunPro. Long before I ever knew I had lyme this stuff helped clear up my acne. So, I know it's definitely helping me with detoxing. I tried to stop it once or twice and within a couple of weeks the acne would resurface.

https://www.immunesupport.com/shop/product.cfm/product__code/PH143/tab/Description

hth,
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I used to take the Myoplex LITE. I had an issue with it (could have been the Whey) I used Vanilla Cream

But it has 33% less calories than the regular Myoplex

25g Quality protein including Whey

27 vitamins & minerals

total carbs = 20g
sugar = 1g (it is made with Splenda)

It did taste yummy with strawberries [lick]

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My BF uses:

BodyTech - Whey Tech (vanilla)

17g protein
2g sugar (made with Splenda)
3g carbs

AND

Good Health Whey Protein (chocolate)

20g protein
1g sugar (don't think it is Splenda)
6g carbs

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Is Whey protein a weight gainer also? [bonk]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ladylee210:
Is Whey protein a weight gainer also? [bonk]

I don't think it is a weight gainer. I think that it helps build muscle, and some of the shakes have good Amino Acids too.

It is a good kind of protein.

If it is high in carbs then you would probably gain.


I always thought of chicken for protein...

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Undenatured whey is a source of glutathione precursors.

It's not just because it's high in protein.


I found another source for the ImmunePro:

http://www.pureprescriptions.com/products/product_view.asp?ProductsID=287

ImmunoPro by Well Wisdom
$39.95 for one container,
$143.75 for four containers ($35.94 each)
plus shipping...$5.95 for UPS ground.


Pamyla:
Thank you for the info about ImmunePlex as a substitute for the ImmunoPro.
I saved that info.

Carol

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How much ImmunoPro do you all take? How many scoops?
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Does anybody know how Doc Teitelbaum's Fatigued to Fantastic Daily Energy Infusion product might stack up?

It is a whey-based product really packed with amino acids and some other stuff you don't normally get in a supplement.

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With any of these protein drinks or any other foods, be aware of Soy.
It is not what we think it is.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Take care.

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