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Is anyone using Zeolite? I recently ordered some (Destroxin). Do you know the best way to use it? Is it best to take it at night? in the morning? with food...

I recently started taking it. I've been taking one capsule at night every 3 or 4 days. After the first one I woke up looking & feeling awful, congested, headachy, foggy, pale & puffy. By afternoon I felt better.

Same thing happened the next time I took it but not quite as bad. Once the effects wore off I felt great. The pain/buzzing/vibrating in my feet & ankles is gone and I haven't needed podi-patches every night.

I took my 4th or 5th capsule last night. This morning I went into a very deep sleep and could not wake up. I slept 2 or 3 extra hours. Once again I got up looking awful but within a few hours felt great.

I'm wondering if I should be doing anything special to make sure the toxins get removed. I know with Chlorella it is important to time it around meals to remove the toxins. How about with Zeolite.

I feel like I need to go slow with this stuff. I'm amazed how powerful it is. It will be quite a while before I'm up to the recommended 2 capsules twice a day.
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Hi Hats,

I tried it too. Within a week, my swelling and joint pain was returning pretty rapidly. I had it muscle tested and it did not test well for me.

Simultaneously (and the reason why I tried it) I have had to stop receiving the glut/lipo IV pushes from my doctor. This is due to our business growing to the point I can't get away until we find help and my doctor is 2 1/2 hrs away.

I am steadily losing ground and am now limping around with a swollen knee.

Obviously the glutathione/lipostabil injections are my magic bullet. My doctor had told me earlier I would have to do them into infinity. He has chosen not to straight out chelate me as he feels my body could not take it. The glut/lipo aid the liver in detoxifying the body.

I believe I was dumping too much toxin for my liver to process and I have backed up like a clogged drain.

Anyway, that is my Destroxin experience.

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Hi,
This morning I woke up extremely achy and tired. I had taken my second dose of Super-Z- Lite (Activated Zeolite, Fulvic acid, Plant and ocean cased minerals)last evening.

I had a similar reaction to the first dose which I took on Monday night. Tuesday I had some tremors and difficulty finding the correct words when speaking. Wednesday the symptoms cleared and I felt more focused and clear.

I spoke to my doctor last week, he had recently found this product and was excited as it he thought it would clear up heavy metlas and microbes. It comes in liquid and capsule formulas, which are to be taken together. He thought I would be able to tolerate 6-8 drops and 1-2 capsules every second or third day. The recommended dosage is 40 drops and 2 capsules every day.

A friend who had severe candida and MCS for many years is now tolerating the full dose and just feeling better every day.

I muscle tested for only 5 drops and 2 capsules every other day. My doctor would like to add Lipophos EDTA and DMSA to chelate the heavy metals. I will wait until I see him next week as I will be travelling to Arizonia on the weekend. He thought it was fine to start the Zeolite without the DMSA.

Otherwise, I have increased SL gluatathione, restarated glutathione enemas, and continue chlorella and spirulina. I also take Parsely Detox from nutramedix and Detox Forumala from Energy Tools (alternate days) and was told to increase the doses with the Super-Z-Lite.

Yes, I was also told to take the supplements after dinner and have a few glasses of water afterwards to help flush out the toxins before going to bed.

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I came back to say that I feel pretty good. It's hard to believe that this could work so fast.

Nice to have immediate gratification.
Much in treatment is gradual.

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Hats, it's good you're asking.

I started on Destroxin about 10 days ago. First day, 4 capsules. It seemed to have cleared my brain (I got foggy for about 2 days due to excess of toxins, funghi killing).

In the last days, I decreased to 2 to save a bit until the next batch arrives (this time, I bought the powder Zeolith, and will probably add the B12 and calcium by myself). But I feel the difference (I do need 4 for the moment).

It does seem powerful. I have been 'chelating' since April last year with chlorella + NDF + Phospholipid + Cillantro (low doses), but more or less continuously (when my liver can take the metal detox stuff). I don't sufffer tremendously with any of the chelators above anymore, different from the beginning (let's say first 8 months of chelation were tough).

That's why I think I can take 4 a day without problems now. I would add two things if I were you: sulphur (I'm on bear garlic 4 times a day, 15 drops of tincture but you can take MSM or anything else with garlic for example) and chlorella (3-4 times a day, a dose that's good for you, at least, stools should come green).

Sulphur would help on detoxing and avoiding that your body reabsorbs the free metals, if I understood well. The increase of my sulphur dose really made a lot of difference. Urine stinks more than usual, but that's good as I feel detoxing.

Omega 3 in higher doses should help with detox symptoms a bit as well as good enzymes (I'm back to Rechtsregulat, as this is the most potent, now I feel the difference to another brand I was taking). Enzymes help with everything in our body, also to help detoxing. I guess Vit E is another supplement to take while metal detoxing.

So when I took this Destroxin was my 10th month of metal detox. I felt something really going on, but as others said, difficult to say exactly what. I'll continue on it for longer, as I feel that in the end, the result was positive.

I was also muscle tested (ART) for 4 capsules a day. I wonder how much would that be in powder. Anyone knows? Like about a teaspoon or so?

Is anyone taking Zeolith for very long time? Would that be okay long term?

The reason I'm asking is that I can't take stuff like goat whey, nor any milk products. I use a mineral powder, but it's not very absorbable to our bodies like goat whey. I wonder if I could just use such Zeolith instead as a mineral punch for long term as it looks a good product and not too expensive for long term use.

I'd appreciate any info!

Selma

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Last night I tried taking the Destroxin earlier. I took it around 9 pm and felt kinda strange for a few hours before going to bed. I slept really well & woke up feeling OK. Much better than after the first few doses I took at bed time.

I think I can ramp up to 1 capsule every other day now. One night when I'm staying in I'll try taking it with dinner. I read it helps with nutrient absorption when taken with meals. I'm trying to work my way up to 2-4 capsules/day.

Right now I don't think I could function if I took it in the morning.

This article: http://www.naturalmatters.net/article.asp?article=1102&cat=146
says the zeolite fully binds the toxins for excretion. Is it OK for me to just take the Destroxin by itself? Eventually I'll try Chlorella but I only want to do one new thing at a time.

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Fast answer. I find destroxin harder than chlorella. Chlorella makes my intoxication symptoms reduced if taken in the good amounts (usually loads at once).

Destroxin first increase my intoxication symptoms, only after you feel better.

but it's acting so well, I feel, that I'll continue with it for long. I'm doing my own capsules from powder zeolite, much cheaper than destroxin.

Selma

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Hardynaka, Where do you get the powdered zeolite and how much do you put in each capsule? Do you need a special capsule? The Zeolite capsules are thick & white.

How much Chlorella did you need to take to get a result. Did you take enzymes with it. Take with food...

I'm new to this heavy metal removal stuff and appreciate your help.

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Hats,

I got powder from:

http://www.cutcat.com/page18k.html

It's a bit hard to do the capsules, but I'm managing. It's difficult to take it with water, because it doesn't dissolve well. I'm doing the 00 size capsules, but it would be possibly better to start with the 0 size capsules (smaller) as this stuff is strong (specially if you had never detoxed metals before).

Chlorella, well, nope, no enzymes for me. I guess I would buy only a brand, the dr. K's brand. I hate to advertise, but so far, that's the most efficient for me. I never got GI problems with it. I tried about 8 brands before, with no good results... Tummy ache was first symptom.

I took again other brands as my chlorella finished and I had open bottles. They didn't cause me tummy ache anymore though. So I wonder if at the time I started with chlorella, if I was not taking the right dose. That's the main problem with chlorella. You take too little, your intoxication symptoms will raise. You take more or enough, if you can digest the stuff, your intoxication symptoms only fall.

I needed LOADS of chlorella to get only the good results with it. About 60 small capsules a day. I used this amount for ages. When I'm metal detoxing, I use about 90 a day. Only recently, I started using 40 a day. But I guess everyone is different.

It's an expensive supplement too, so I understand many people don't want to take it.

Nope, I take chlorella without food, before main meals and with my herbs, minimum 4 times a day. Some people take only twice a day. I tried enzymes before, when I thought I couldn't digest it, but it didn't help much either (I don't know now if it was the brand or the fact that I was not taking enough of it at a time...).

I guess after you stay with destroxin for a while, a few weeks or months, you could try chlorella (or together, if you have the budget). For me, chlorella was always a saviour. Only very recently, it stopped to be so important as it was for many months.

The naturopath I see doesn't use zeolite as main metal detoxifier. She uses it as a supportive. The main products she uses are NDF/ NDF-Plus and Phospholipid Exchange, possibly some cilantro ticnture too. And chlorella, of course.

I'm still on 4 capsules of Zeolite a day. Now I'm fine! Just the morning dose is harder, maybe because I spent the whole night without detoxing?

Are you getting used to the stuff? Do you feel it is helping you?

Selma

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Thanks for all the good info Selma. The website you listed has lower prices than the manufacturer!

No more whole capsules for me any time soon. I've had a hellish post destroxin morning. I took my antibiotics later than usual last night & then waited 2 hours before taking one destroxin capsule at midnight. I slept fine.

I woke up feeling like I was getting the flu (but I knew I wasn't since the destroxin did this before). My head hurt, I was congested, runny nose, ears stuffy. I was somewhat nauseated and freezing cold. Then I was burning up. I kept switching between hot, cold & nauseated. I peed a lot and durung the course of the morning had 3 bowel movements.

Now after 3 hours I'm returning to normal, actually feeling quite clearheaded.

This is too much to go through every time I take the stuff. Clearly it is doing something and overall I feel better since I started using Zeolite.

My new plan is to pour out half of each capsule (into an empty one or perhaps into water). I'll try 1/2 capsule every other night taken at least a few hours before bed.

After that I'll need to decide whether to start taking it every day or to go back up to a full capsule every other day. Any suggestions?

I'm reading up on Chlorella too. Scott's website betterhealthguy.com had handy links to LOTS of information. Thanks Scott.

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Hats, sorry for your tough Zeolite 'herx'!
But if you feel improvement, it must be doing some good.

Yes, I would add chlorella a few times a day, specially before your intake of Zeolite. I gave zeolite to my husband, who doesn't have lyme, but I suspect heavy metals, and he started feeling dizzy and tired soon after. I added about 15 small chlorella, it seemed to have lowered his discomfort too.

As I told you before, if you can digest chlorella, (get vulgaris, much more digestable), I would certainly add it to help mopping up the 'flyinig' metals. Add lots of chlorella, not little, at each intake and see how you would react.

Chlorella usually doensn't do this rise of intoxication symptoms if you add in larger amounts, like zeolite did to me too. If you add just 2-3 pills of chlorella, you may have the same effect as zeolite as it'll just stir metals without binding to them.

That's my experience with chlorella. Hope you can digest it. I had troubles digesting it in the beginning (or it was just because I took lower amounts or bad brands, who knows?).

I'm really enjoying this product. It feels less harsh as NDF I was taking, and I feel it's pulling metals from certain joints (I feel the pull, it's a specific type of light pain that comes as 'herx' then goes, like a herx). I hope it won't mess with my liver...

Keep us posted, I'm very interested about your reults with this product!
Selma

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Another thing I forgot to tell you, I think. Do you get any sort of sulphur?

I find my metal and other intoxication symptoms get much better if I take sulphur a few times a day (4 is best). I use bear garlic tincture, about 15 drops each time, but I'm pretty sure you can find some other product rich in sulphur like garlic pills or so...

If I remember right, it helps protecting cells from toxins too. I also took sulphur homeopathic (very cost efficient), in different potencies, it also did a wonderful job in the past. Husband has taken homeopathic sulphur for his eczema for a few years, with good results too (when he's getting a flare).

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Recommend getting the booklet that Zeolite puts out. I posted about it here a few weeks ago. It tells you all there is to know about Destroxin and Zeolite.

It's great stuff - but you need to do some mobilizing of metals with more direct agents that your doctor should be familiar with - then add the Destroxin - it is a great mopup agent. But you have got to knock things loose first. Then the Zeolite can grab it. In a similar way as Chlorella does.

Don't think you can detox your mercury or any other neurotoxins with that alone. It does not work that way. You got to get at the intracellular areas to mobilize the metals also. Don't do it alone - get

If you don't test for it energetically now - does not mean you will never test well for it. You just are not ready for it at this point. Detoxing anything is a slow and step-by-step process. Get help to do it.

Take care.

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Welcome back Gigi!

I recently finshed a course of heavy metal detox
with DMSA, Chlorella, Lipophos EDTA (from Allergy Research Group) and Cilantro Tincture.

Yesterday I saw my doctor and he found gold and lead, for which he recommended a course of Zeolite (Super-Z-Lite), DMSA, and Chlorella. Based on energetic testing, I did not need or test well for Cilantro Tinture or Lipophos EDTA. I will see my doctor again on March 21 and then recheck the supplements.

My concern is that without the Cilantro and Liphos, metals from the brain will not be mobilized and chealated.

Hope you stop by and share your experience and thought.

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Gigi, great to see you around.

Is this the link you said?

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050568

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Seren, Cilantro is one of the only natural substances that gets neurotoxins out of the brain. It works intracellularly. Drink it (drops), rub it ink, etc., but make sure you have the mop-ups on board.

If you are heavy metal toxic, it's not done in a few months. Think a couple of years - you will be happier with the outcome!

Take care.

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Selma, yes, that's the link.

I will be over in your neck of the woods shortly.
Spitting distance to Konstanz! And will probably learn a lot more about galactose and myoreflextherapy at the place where the latter originated (www.myoreflex.de)

Take care.

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Gigi, you're always surprising me.
Konstanz is where I'm learning German, only a 20 minute ride from home.

I saw the courses, one on TCM, the other on neurological diseases in a few days from now?

I didn't know there was this center in Oberelaube street!!!

I'm going to be in Belgium from Friday on, unfortunately not around! I'll send you an email in case you dont' read this...
Selma

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Hi Gigi,

It is good to have you back on this board!

I have been doing heavy metal detox for over a year now, and will be continuing.

I added the cilantro a few months ago after reading your posts. Seems that five or six months will not be enough. How long did you take cilantro?

I will go back and search some of your posts.
Take care
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Edit: My doctor just called and he gave me permission to take the cilantro tincture along with the DMSA. On energetic testing, the heavy metals were concentrated in my appendix and brain stem. So it seems prudent to continue the cilantro. Thanks.

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