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Annxyz
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I am VERY impressed with the testimonies of rife users here . Some, who relapsed always after stopping ABX have totally recovered . Others seem to post that they are improving , and just about everyone states emphatically that
rife is DEFINITELY EFFECTIVE .

My question: Is it less effective for those lyme sufferers who have been ill a long time ?
Are the results less impressive for folks who have had lyme for several years ?

Your feedback will help me and other readers , and I thank you for your insight .
Ann

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quote:
Originally posted by Annxyz:

My question: Is it less effective for those lyme sufferers who have been ill a long time ?
Are the results less impressive for folks who have had lyme for several years ?

I think it works for everyone. I was treated for 4+ yrs on abx, then followed that with Rife to remain off abx.

It's working thus far after 1 1/2 yrs. Been off abx 2 1/2 yrs+.

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Lymetoo,
Were you close to being fully recovered when you started rife? What made you decide to try rife ?

How long did you use rife before you began seeing that you were getting better?

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I am stepping up my Rife so that I can get off the ABX soon. I feel optimistic. It is a nice insurance policy when one finally stops ABX treatment. Take care

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Rifle and meds

Can you just use a rifle machine and not use and medications at all?

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In 8 years of facilitating a TBD support group I have NEVER seen Rife cure anyone. I have seen it "help" people who had already been treated for years with abx, but never ever cure OR GREATLY improve anyone. I HAVE seen longterm abx cure people and greatly improve people.

When people buy Rife machines in my experience very soon after they come to the group talk about how much it helped and WHO would like to buy it and take it off their hands and darn they would like to get full price to get the money back!!!
No one locally I know has found it to be of of real benefit!!! Seriously.

I do hear people I have never met who pop up on online groups raving about how wonderful it is.
NOT YOU LYMETOO_ I know you are a real Lyme patient and I always note when you mention Rife that you had been on abx for 4 years previously.
But I always suspect those "people" of being Rife sales pumper-uppers!!! Because in real life I just haven't met htose people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I hope those people know how irresponsisble it is to offer that to people who may be soon to developing "multiple sclerosis" when they may have avoided that through longterm abx!!!!!!!!!

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Rife machine corrected my low body temp?
Sick for over 12 years, and low body temp showed up the 1st day in 1994(immediate onset). After using the rife just one time, the temp rose from fluctuating between 96.5 and 97.5 to a virtually constant 98.0 for 2 past 2 weeks. Other symptoms, including knee pain, were also beginning to improve.

This was a miraculous event in my estimation. Has anyone else experienced a normalization of body temp after 1 treatment?

The rough odds of this happening in 1 day are about 4380 to 1 (12 years X 365 days = 4380).

Had to discontinue because the herxing inflamed gallbladder/gallstones which needs to be removed. Will continue after surgery.

No dog in hunt. Paid full retail price for the EMEM3 2 tube model. Might sell for 10 times the price I paid, but only if I could buy another at the original price.

I know this sounds like an advertisement, but it is not. I would like to know if others have experienced similar results after 1 treatment.

Thanks for the great wealth of information and encouragement.

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Just to clarify, I was NOT treated with ABX or anything else (excluding pain/anti-inflammatories) prior to using the rife.

Thanks again.

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Rife machines are capable of healing many other illnesses besides lyme. It's not just a lyme machine. It might even help someone with MS sx.

Lyme disease would be less complicated if that was the ONLY bacteria in our body that is making us so ill. But this illness is not that simple and... there are viruses, parasites, protoza or fungus, toxins, etc that invaded the body with that tick, mosquito, spider, etc. They will leave you with some of everything or anything that a part of them. Can you image where that biting fly landed and was feeding on before you?

I'm not selling anything. I just happen to be one of the ten of thousands of people that did the abx (every combo & IV) for 3+ years and all I became was disabled and even more ill. Was treated with heavy doses of abx within 10 days of onset of illness from hell.

The rife machine didn't cure my lyme. It helped doing rife lyme freqencies for a year and dropped abx. I was still very ill. Then I started doing rife sessions for strep, staph, Parkison, e-coli, rickettsia, malaria, etc.

Then improvement started and it continues. I still don't use the cured word. I personally don't feel comfortable saying it yet.

Difference between 3+ yrs abx vs 3 yrs+ rife. Priceless!!!!

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I HAVE personally met people who told me they were MUCH BETTER following Rife treatments.

I was sitting in an alternative medicine office and ran into a couple from Venice, Fl. who traveled up to Sarasota to use a high powered (read: computer driven, argon light, $6,000.00 unit) Rife machine. They told me that Rife did indeed help them TREMENDOUSLY and they were in the process of purchasing their own unit to save the commuting time.

I was in the office to try it for myself. I do not have lyme, but was very curious about it and had done a LOT of research to begin to understand HOW it could be possible. I read a LOT of books, websites and purchased videos PRIOR to trying Rife.

And yes...knocking out co-infections as well as hitting "old" vaccines is important.

There is a "general" program that should be run FIRST...so that "dormant" infections do not emerge.

Using frequencies (sound waves) to heal? I was skeptical too...until I began to understand how and why it just might be possible.

I believe the most powerful units are the most effective. I believe we need to send the frequencies thru that argon light as well as pulse and SCAN the frequencies (to hit mutations).

I think the "power" of these expensive units "jumpstarts" the healing, then using less expensive machines can keep one on the healing path.

However...and this is a "biggie"...persons who have gotten well have ALSO figured out they need to "clean up their act" and get out in the fresh air, exercise as able, eat and drink ONLY healthy things, etc. ALSO. And many use a lot of supplements to slowly restore their depleted nutrient levels.

It takes TIME.

In order to divide, all bacteria oscillate (sway to and fro). I suspect Rife disrupts this as well as impacting the lipoproteins in the outer cell wall.

Frequencies ARE a tiny part of the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

So is radiation...but of course, MUCH stronger.

The "electromagnetic spectrum" is indeed being utilized as a healing tool.

Lasers, those "blue lights" to harden new tooth fillings, microwave ovens to "heat" food and destroy pathogens works on FREQUENCIES - sound waves!, frequencies aimed to shatter kidney stones (very hard calcium deposits),etc.

These are all part of the "electromagnetic" spectrum.

We ARE "electromagnetic" and so are the pathogens. They need specific electrolytes and other nutrients and utilize OURS. The are all "parasites".

Electrolytes...the "spark of life"...

We are just really beginning to harness the power of the electromagnetic spectrum to help us to heal.

No exposure to sunLIGHT and all of the "colors" within light (esp. blue) = SAD = seasonal effective disorder. Melatonin doesn't convert to serotonin without light exposure. Too little serotonin and bingo...depressed.

Frequencies are a PART of this spectrum as is "light". Believe it or not...sound waves DO impact us. WE KNOW specific blending of sound waves (Mozart) actually increase dopamine levels. This has been PROVEN (major university).

Which is why "Baby Mozart"...

Sound wave length + frequencies can be beneficial or harmful. A LOT of loud sound and what happens to your hearing...damages, right?

Rife does NOT come without dangers. Too much too fast can kill you. It CAN shut down your kidneys which are stuggling to keep your blood pH within a narrow range.

Need to restore minerals after treatments.

After Chernobyl (the ultimate exposure to the electromagnetic spectrum)...look closely at what they gave the children.

Spirulina, for one.

Purity is an issue. Gotta be very careful of the source.

Chorella likely safer.

If I had lyme, would I fork over six grand?

In a heartbeat.

I, unlike California, have NOT met anyone cured of lyme (who had high load levels and/or those who harbor multiple co-infections) using strictly longterm abx....including all the "big guns" (IV Rocephin) and hitting babesia and co-infections too via "traditional" meds.

I HAVE met 2 people who got a tick bite and who immediately were given Doxy and did recover completely. One of the 2 also likes to "drink" (which may play a part as alcohol dries out proteins and Bb's cell wall IS proteins).

I am NOT promoting alcohol!

California...8 years facilitating a TBD group (so you should be very knowledgeable) and only 2 years here on this board to share that knowledge? In those 8 YEARS...(I assume you also have lyme)...has abx. CURED you?

What I HAVE seen is the devestation due to steroids and the development of "autoimmune" as a result of steroids and abx.

I HAVE seen the near loss of vision, the need to have knee joints replaced, lymphadema, depression, hair loss (significant), osteoarthritis and within merely 2 years very, very crippled hands...

What I have also seen (limited) is that lyme group "heads" are very pro abx. and very much into "they did this to us" i.e. blaming others for this deadly pathogen.

IMO...that wastes precious time.

Focus on the "latest" research...it is changing FAST. We know a LOT more in the past few years than we EVER did about this particular pathogen.

You CAN get well but it takes a LOT and TIME.

For whatever reason, it looks to take 2 years.

I wish I knew why this amt. of time. It is very odd.

[ 22. March 2007, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Marnie ]

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I feel grateful for EACH response , positive and negative. I do believe that each of you are sincerely sharing the experiences that you have encountered , and EACH IS VALID .

Map , what type of rife machine do you have ?
How long did you use it before seeeing some signs of improvement ? Are you taking any supplements to fight the lyme now ? Do you
feel significantly better , and are you able to function normally ? I really value your feedback.

Marnie , I also wonder about the benefit of loads of ABX. I have met folk s who have taken
soooooo many for years , and yet are still struggling . You have to wonder why the results are not better .

I wish I could afford or have access to a high priced machine, but that is not a possibility now.

California lyme, thanks for sharing the encounters you have witnesssed . Are you personally seeing many people being cured with ABX protocols ? I have heard that it happens, but I do not know anyone personally with longterm lyme who has been cured with ABX .
I will add that I only know a few people with the disease however.

I would like to keep this bumped for a while , if possible.

Thank you for taking the time to share !

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Annxyz,

Are you researching to write a book or article of some kind?

Like many here I have gone through long periods of ABX treatment with mixed results.

The antibiotic therapy was very helpful in that it mostly arrested the arthritic deterioration of joints and other damaging effects of the disease. I was able to earn a living and continue with my life, whereas not treating it had me on a fast track to being a crippled up homeless person.

Unfortunately, they do not seem to eliminate the infection entirely. If you go off the antibiotics or no longer have access to them, you feel great for a little while, and then you start rolling back down the hill you struggled for months or years to climb.

In a perfect world, your Dr. would probably keep you on something for maintenance, like they do if you have something really serious... like ACNE!

The problem, under the current situation is that we cannot get any medical help at all anymore in Texas... Thanks to the brilliant strategy of our keepers of treating diseases by forbidding their diagnosis.

Or... if it has already been diagnosed and given some treatment... Just declare it cured with great authority and deny further treatment. Patients who object may be threatened with being labeled 'psychotic' to thwart further attempts to get treatment.

(I understand there are maybe still a couple of brave, overworked individuals trying to help people in Texas somewhere.)

I think antibiotic therapy can be very helpful if you can get it. Aside from treating Lyme, there is a good chance it will take care of an undiagnosed co-infection or two, which will help you get better.

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About Rife machines...

The Rife Machine concept seems to work on this illness. Results from the different things you can buy today that are called "Rife Machines" may vary.

None are very similar to the machines that the man Rife built in the 1930's... Which I think would have worked very well on Lyme.

Note that there are several different types of these machines that operate in totally different ways, each with advantages and disadvantages.

That said, even some of the crummier offerings seem to help people. It has been noted any such electrical stimulation has a stimulating effect on the immune system.

The experimental machines using large vacuum tubes that I have built seem to totally eliminate the pain and crippling brain fog with regular use. I was never able to get to that point with antibiotics.

It is not a cure though. A few weeks away from it on vacation and the pain starts coming back. First in the feet and knees, and then it just seems to spread. Back to regular use and the pain starts to subside right away, but then I have to go through some brain fog for a while as things get back under control.

I think most of the potential of the Rife concept is not being realized with what is for sale today. Even so, I think they are still very useful tools to get this illness under control and people back on their feet.

This is especially so now that so many are being denied medical care for this condition.

Some of the vendors are good, honest people who are marketing their devices in a very hostile environment. We need to cut them a little slack for that. There are also quack predators.

It is worth pushing the ever present quacks aside and looking at the subject on its own merit.

For any who are interested in some history and background on the subject, alot of it can be found at http://www.rife.org/

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Hmmm, I don't understand. Is this is the same thing as bioresonance? If you can't afford one, does somebody do these treatments or something?

Has anyone ever bought one and "shared" it with others? That's assuming there's a bunch of lymies that live near each other...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Annxyz:

Were you close to being fully recovered when you started rife?
yes

What made you decide to try rife ?
I wanted to STAY off abx.

How long did you use rife before you began seeing that you were getting better?

hard to say since I was already feeling pretty good....I don't herx very hard anymore when I rife, so I assume my bacterial load is lower now.

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Marnie, or anyone else, I'd love to know more about
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a high powered (read: computer driven, argon light, $6,000.00 unit) Rife machine.
How to find one of these? What's their brand names?
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Resonant Light Perl is one - the one that I am using.

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One unscientific way to determine if Rife machines are effective or not is to just try to buy a used one. Look on E-bay. You can probably find three or four used ones for sale at any given time. In the whole U.S. on the biggest online auction service in the world there is only three or four available at any given time.

Now which would seem to be the most logical reason for this phenomena.

A) They do not work so people buy them new and hang onto them because they are a great conversation piece?

B) They work for the people that buy them so they are reluctant to sell them?

You be the judge.

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Hi,

My opinions and experiences are well documented here. For me, it was the best choice I ever made, in addition to learning how to detox properly.

I do not sell any product and wouldn't sell my machines for any amount eventhough I have been well for a while now. I wouldn't used cured either but who knows.

California, if you ever get up to the Philly area, I'd be happy to treat you to a cheese steak ( I know, not the best food choice) so you could meet someone who isn't selling any machine but has had huge benefits from using one.

I have met quite a few who have had long term benefits but it almost always takes a combination of treatments.

All My Best,
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No need to spend $6,000 for one. Mine cost $440 and it's NOT for sale! [Razz]

randi.....I think this has links to the lyme/rife email list where you can get a lot info:

www.lymebook.com/resources

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Marnie, excellent, excellent post. As always, you come through for us.


California Lyme stated:

"In 8 years of facilitating a TBD support group I have NEVER seen Rife cure anyone. I have seen it "help" people who had already been treated for years with abx, but never ever cure OR GREATLY improve anyone. I HAVE seen longterm abx cure people and greatly improve people."


Chronic Lymies already know our Lyme disease is...well..."chronic", therefore, we are trying to maintain our new normal comfortably, and for me, and for many others, using a rife machine does that for us when we've had enough abx or have a lot lesser load to deal with.

Long-term abx can take a toll on our digestive system, not to mention the body as a whole, and gives us almost chronic, unbearable yeast infections. That being said, we all know abx are needed to "get the load down", so that alternative therapies can work to maintain our quality of life.

When I asked my LLMD how he felt about rife machines, he said, and I quote: "All I can say is that my patients who bought rife machines are the patients I don't see any more."

I maintain my "quality of life" by rifing and have been off abx for several years now. No, I don't consider it a cure, but long-term, it's cheaper, easier, and a lot more pleasant.

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I am currently rifing using an EMEM machaine. It gives evil herxes, but long term benefits.

I don't sell the machines either, but I do encourage their use. It's helped me so much! I would probably be dead right now without it.

Let me know if you have questions!

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I too was thinking of using a Rife machine for my son until I read some posts by GiGi and Scott who recommend the KMT24 instead (I think they use the older KMT23 model).

They were concerned with future ramifications of exposure to electricity (cancer causing?) from using Rife. The KMT24 is said to stimulate the immune system and allow the dispersion of medicines where they need to go into all the tissues. It uses a 9-volt battery, not housecurrent.

Would someone address this issue (Marnie?)? IMO, I think it's very important to know potential dangers before "fixing" one thing and "ruining" another! Thanks.

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I think we had that same very long and emotionally heated discussion about the evils of cell phones here a few weeks ago.

There are tort attorneys who have been trying for decades to establish a link between various widespread electrical sources like power grids and cancer. It would be a class action gold mine.

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I can not thank each of you enough for your input .

James, If I could just not fell "FLUEY" 24/7
I would think life is pretty good . There is never a day that I get a break from the fluey
feeling , even after over a year of ABX.

Lymetoo , thank you for answering . I wondered if your health had improved a lot with ABX BEFORE you started with rife.

I am in a quandry because I have had only a year of ABX , and no docs here will prescribe ABX , plus my overpriced useless health insurance will not cover treatment . I would prefer to stay on ABX another year , but getting them is not easy at all .

I was trying to gauge how useful rife would be for someone who had NOT had years of ABX .
It does seem like most of the folks using rife
have regained a large measure of health before stopping the drugs, from looking at old posts .

Missextreme AND secondtimearound , Are either of you on ABX now ? Were you feeling well when you started the rife ? I am glad to hear that
the EMEM gives evil herxes , because it is about all I could afford to invest in.

Bergy , your logic is practical. If the machines were frequently found to have no benefit , they would probably be as plentiful
as the car lots around here with the endless supply of big gas guzzling oversized pickup trucks. I know your wife has felt it has turned her around .

Miss Extreme , who did you buy your machine from? I need to find a supplier who is honest and not selling a bogus product .

Thanks to each of you again !

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An adventurous person can buy a used square wave generator on eBay for under $50 and use it as a direct contact type machine... with the inconvenience of having to manually set each frequency.

That is the heart of the machines with metal pipes or plates to hang on to... a square wave audio generator with an adjustable output of 10 volts or so. The GB4000 is the top of that category in my opinion and can also put out some RF frequencies.

None of them can put out much more than that because the electric shock sensations would be too uncomfortable. The direct contact ones are not my personal favorite type for that reason.

And... a square wave is a square wave, no matter how much they charge for the device that makes it. The test instruments you can find are sometimes of very high quality compared to little plastic Rife devices you can buy. Many are laboratory instruments that cost thousands new.

The downside is that you usually have to turn a knob and set each frequency you want.

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Thank you James . That will probably help someone , but unfortunately I graduated from the Wilma Flintstone School of Tecnology .

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Bravo James H!...well said(your 1st post on this thread).

For me, antibiotics were driving me into the poor house, I tried rife out of desperation. Didn't have a clue if it would work.

Well, it has turned out to be the MOST effective way of controlling symptoms I know of. I now work full time in a stressful job nine hrs a day. I feel so good, I climbed Mt Kilimanjaro in Africa (19,300') over the Christmas break with my family.

Rife is just one part of my wellness program. Please see my earlier posts if you want more info.

BOTTOM LINE.....RIFE WORKS!

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I just need to find a machine now . Thank you soooo much . It feels good to think there are some options !

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Ann, I typed a response to your thread yesterday afternoon and lymenet locked up on me and pooof it was gone.

The first 6-8 months of rife treatments caused horrible herx reactions. There was little to no improvement then one day.....I had a good few hours. Down again, up again and then longer periods. My LLMD said I should be seeing great improvement with rife treatments by this 5th month. I kept after it and finally could see light.

Yes I did a ton of supplements and other alternative treatments. The short list is colonics, lymph drainage, cranial-sacral, body massages, cleanses, parasite treatments, muscle testing etc. And more supplements.

My machine is a Beam Ray with that large price tag mentioned earlier. That was the machine that I was lead to spiritually and I wasn't going to ask for something cheaper. lol It is the computer with argon light type.

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Ann,

I have been off of full time antibiotics for almost 2 years now. I stopped them when I bought my machine. This is an individual choice.

I did add them in a couple of times but never for more than a week. Probably three weeks worth over the last 2 years. I just followed the outline in Bryan's book.

I was really sick when I started and it was a long 6-8 months before I really started to believe in it. I wanted to quit many times but wife noticed a pattern and I stuck it out. It was tough in the beginning but did get better when I learned how to detox properly.

I used an emem3d from rifelabs. www.rifelabs.com and I also have a desk top doug from www.coilmachines.com but I rarely used that one.

I bought it after I went back to work just in case. Both guys are great guys to talk to. They do sell for a profit but in my opinion there prices were very fair. Give them a call they would be happy to talk to you wheter you bought their machine or not.

If you want my number send me a pm, I'd be happy to help if I can.

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Hi Annxyz,

I have had lyme for 20 years & yes, I am chronic. Prior to rife I did have 3 years of heavy duty abx treaments. Almost 9 months now with my rife only( EMEM3D machine from rife labs)
no abx at all.

When I first heard of rife I thought the whole idea was ridiculous. But then my stomach & GI tract gave out & had to turn to rife.

I read everything I could & have to say there are quite a few people that I respect personally that swear by it. I don't go by the science of rife but by how many people it has helped.

I don't go by the science because I can't logically come to terms with sitting in front of an electric bulb to get better.

But I do herx and I do herx badly. After being on abx for 12 years now I do know the real herx when I have one. And a die off is a die off wheather on abx or rife or any other medication I have taken.

So far in the 9 months I have been doing rife I woulds say it had been holding my progress. I took a trip to CA in January & started to take a dive.

Have upped my sessions with the rife to 2 times a week now. It will be interesting to see if it can pull me back from the relapse abyss I am facing. I am hopeful. But like abx, rife is a long term commitment and just like abx you don't feel instant releif. It takes time.

I guess only time will tell. But I would rather have a die off from my rife machine than surrender to the progression of unchecked lyme. These are my options now as I still can't stomach abx anymore & am allergic to the injectables. And the herbs make me puke as well.

I think some people try rife for 6 months & then when they are not better give up too soon & sell their machine. This goes the same for some on abx. If they are not well within a certain time frame they give up & say...well abx didn't work for me. I waited 3 years before I noticed major improvements on abx treatments.

I read a quote by Doug who made the doug coil machine...that said went something like this: that within the first year expect not to feel a whole lot better & expect to herx alot. Be patient & do lots of detox stuff and then after one years exspect a very a gradual improvement.

sorry for the long post.

Hope this helps
Blessings [Smile]
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QUOTE from Marnie which sounded really insulting:

California...8 years facilitating a TBD group (so you should be very knowledgeable) and only 2 years here on this board to share that knowledge? In those 8 YEARS...(I assume you also have lyme)...has abx. CURED you?

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Actually I have been on this board for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS more thaN 2 years. I was here when TinCup came. I was here when the FIRST Beverly was here, COUntryGirl, who died. When DOnna Herrell was still around, and Geri Fosseen- and Art Doherty!!!
ANd Brite- aka Deb- and everyone else!!!

I was here before THIS new format of LymeNet. on the OLD board!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When Maddog was here all the time...

I used to post under the addy AramSarah and SarahWeiss- my names on the old boards- but ARam and I got DIVORCED so it didn't seem good to keep using his names. ANd CALyme-

I have only been absent when having a new baby and when my computer was broken.

My 10 year old is CURED- i n full remission thanks to abx- and so are many people I know.

Do you facilitate a support group? You CAN'T!! Otherwise you WOULD k now lots of people cured by abx!!! I do, and I take calls EVERY DAY AT ANY HOUR at my home # and am listed in Denise Langs book even as a resource for people to call. I have been listed as a support group/hotline for EIGHT years.

I take phone calls EVERY DAY at ANY TIME.

And I speak the truth of my experience.

As far as putting me down for supposedly NOT being here (when I was!) that is plain silly.
No one is required to be here. But I have been and continue to be.

What's more, I *AM* the MOST active Lyme activist person in my county, bar none!!!

I have flown back East 3 times to go to Lyme protests.

I met with Herb DOrken and a few other activists to help draft the California Lyme Legislation that we passed.

I drive local patients to their doctors if they can't drive.

I began The Lyme DIsease Memorial Page 7 years ago at http://www.angelfire.com/planet/lymedisease/Lyme/Memorial.html

I have drafted a SC County specific Lyme pamphlet and am applying for a grant to get it distributed.

I have organized lectures by Lyme MDs in town and had it covered by media as well as writing articles on Lyme for local media and getting my Lyme story written in local media.

Lastly, if you had ever read a single post of mine relating my personal experience you would know that most certainly am a Lyme patient who has ONE-3 minutes a month of a left knee flare pre-menstrually left- that's all!

See, that is one of the things that sucks about Lymeland.

No respect*)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVERY single day of my life I try and be of service to Lymed people. Every single day for 8 years- EVEN when I was in the hosoital giving birth to my 2 year old!!! A nurse with a friend with Lyme came and asked me questions for 2 hours in recovery!!! ANd THEN ANOTHER!!! And you know what>? I wouldn't have it any other way.

Except the insults.

YES, I am from the old LymeNet board. This is the NEW board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just here 2 years>? *sigh*

Bob>? Phyllis>? Someone who knows me>?

Oh well... that's okay. I know who I am*)!*)!!

And even if I get insulted by Rife-lovers (eeek!)
I will still be here.

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Are you trying to begin to understand the electromagnetic spectrum?

Okay...I'll try...

Different kinds of electromagnetic waves can be classified by their wavelenghts. They are classified into sections called bands.


The electromagnetic spectrum is the collection of these bands.

The following types of waves make up the electromagnetic spectrum:

gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet rays, visible light, infrared waves, and radio waves.

The length of these waves ranges from 10-12 metres to 102 metres long; this is known as the wavelength.

Go here to see a graphic of this (makes it easier to understand):

http://www.satellites.spacesim.org/english/glossary/emspect.html

As you know...all life would end without light.

See the things BELOW (left of) light...and how we utilize those bands.

See the things above light and how we use those too...remember too much x-ray exposure is very dangerous...we start getting into trouble...

Now about photons - teeny tiny packages of energy..


Photon: a discrete amount of electromagnetic energy, the smallest indivisible amount possible. Photons can behave like both particles and waves.

The energy of a photon is inversely proportional to its wavelength.

X-ray: the region of the electromagnetic spectrum beyond ultraviolet, where photons possess greater energy.

Gamma ray: region of the electromagnetic spectrum beyond X-ray, where photons possess the greatest energies.

Infrared: region of the electromagnetic spectrum just past the red side of visible, where lower energy photons radiate.

UV: region of the electromagnetic spectrum just past the blue side of visible, where higher energy photons radiate.

Electromagnetic radiation, or light, can be considered to be composed of particles (photons) or waves.

Its properties depend on its wavelength: longer waves are less energetic than shorter waves - photons with long wavelength have less energy than short-wavelength photons.

Electromagnetic radiation is usually described as bands of radiation of similar wavelength, e.g., infrared, radio waves, microwaves, gamma rays, X-rays...

(These bands of radiation roughly correspond to the range of wavelengths which can be detected by different instruments.)

Only a small fraction of the entire range of electromagnetic radiation can be detected by the human eye: visible light, or what in everyday-life is referred to simply as light.

The human eye cannot detect wavelengths longer than those of the visible light, such as those of infrared light, microwaves (wavelengths of centimetres), or radio waves (wavelengths of metres).

Wavelengths shorter than visible light cannot be seen either: ultraviolet light, X-rays, gamma rays (the most energetic).

Electromagnetic radiation can be described in terms of wavelength (L), measured in metres (m), or frequency (f), measured in hertz (Hz). The relationship between these two is given by: f = L/c where c= speed of light.

All electromagnetic radiation moves in a wave-like motion. Electromagnetic radiations are distinguished by the frequency and size of
the waves.

The speed of the waves remains constant at the speed of light.

If the wavelength is decreased, the frequency is decreased accordingly to keep the speed constant.

Electromagnetic radiation can be described in terms of a stream of photons, which are massless particles each traveling in a wave-like pattern and moving at the speed of light.

Each photon contains a certain amount (or bundle) of energy,

and all electromagnetic radiation consists of these photons.

The only difference between the various types of electromagnetic radiation is the amount of energy found in the photons .

Radio waves have photons with low energies, microwaves have a little more energy than radio waves, infrared has still more, then visible, ultraviolet, X-rays, and ... the most energetic of all ... gamma-rays.

When an electron (negative charge) is accelerated, electromagnetic (EM) radiation is released.

This radiation can be interpreted as either wave-like (an oscillating disturbance in the EM field) - or particle like (a massless particle called the photon) moving outward at the speed of light.

Good simplified website, but still a lot to absorb:

http://www.livescience.com/othernews/070226_about_light.html

Moreover, because photons are emitted and absorbed by charged particles, they act
as transporters of energy .

As a photon is absorbed by an atom, it excites an electron, elevating it to a higher energy level.

If the energy is great enough, so that the electron jumps to a high enough energy level, it may escape the positive pull of the nucleus and be liberated from the atom in a process called photoionisation.

Conversely, an electron that descends to a lower energy level in an atom emits a photon of light equal to the energy difference. Since the energy levels of electrons in atoms are discrete, each element emits and absorbs its own characteristic frequencies.

Together, these effects explain the absorption spectra of light.

The dark bands in the spectrum are due to the atoms in the intervening medium
absorbing different frequencies of the light.

Taking this to a very ``practical'' application...dark foods might have higher energy potential as it looks to me like they ABSORBED more photons.

Take blueberries, for instance...

Energy transfer...this is what it is about... in 2 words.

How anyone figured this all out is waaaaaaay beyond me.

The more I learn, the more I realize I am really NOT SMART at all!

Randi...you asked a good question. When something "resonates" it bounces off...

That is how ultrasound works. And how dolphins "talk" to one another. And how bats "see".

Bouncing sound waves.

Now...sound waves can be absorbed too...

Think about how dogs' ears are effected by very high pitches...beyond our hearing range. Their ear RECEPTORS are impacted.

Loud sounds - too much too often - damages the cells in our ears and we can go deaf.

Want to play a short game...developed for a high school class? Only 4 questions?

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/try_l2/emspectrum.html

I passed! All of my GUESSES were correct.

BTW...

"Researchers at Purdue University have new evidence supporting earlier findings by other scientists who designed an inexpensive "tabletop" device that uses

sound waves to produce nuclear fusion reactions.

The technology, in theory, could lead to a new source of clean energy..."

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2005/050712.Xu.fusion.html

Above for more info...interesting!

Once again...we CAN use the power of sound waves.
There will be in the future, many applications. We are in our "infancy" of figuring this out.

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California, I asked a question...

"has abx CURED you?"

I think that was/is an honest question.

And you interpreted that question as "insulting".

Why?

I suppose I should have asked first,

Do you have lyme? If so, how long?

If not, is your interest in this disease solely because your daughter once had lyme?

I suspect you do have lyme, given your reaction, the number of !!!!!!! and typos.

As far as your time on this board, I simply clicked on your profile which indicated you have only been on this board 2 years.

That is all I had to go by.

I had no way of knowing you were here under FOUR different alias at different times.

I am happy your YOUNG daughter was cured of lyme.

Children have many, many "advantages" re: their ability to get well. There are very specific nutrients and protein levels that are much higher which do indeed help them a LOT.

It is harder to CURE this disease if we contract lyme when we are older.

While I am aware that antibiotics can help to lower co-infection loads especially and do indeed alter our immune response (documented, multiple places) and one FEELS better on them, I am very concerned about the "side effects" of nonstop abx. esp. impacting the health of our digestive system .

If you can't absorb nutrients, you can't MAKE neurotransmitters, antibodies, enzymes and a multitude of proteins, hormones, etc.

Healing STARTS IN THE GUT.

Throw off the beneficial bacteria levels and we are in more trouble.

California, you said:

"And I hope those people know how irresponsisble it is to offer that to people who may be soon to developing "multiple sclerosis" when they may have avoided that through longterm abx!!!!!!!!! "

Longterm abx. (no Rife, he won't try it) did NOT stop one on this board from developing MS.

"Irresponsible" to suggest Rife therapy?

Not in my book. Remember One-Speed-Greg, if you were here long ago? He is a flight attendant and at the time lived in Maryland.

He did abx. then he did Rife (high powered unit in Sarasota...eventually bought his own "cheaper" version) and he is well today.

But...he also was very good about eating healthy, exercising, and the like also.

I suspect those you know who were willing to sell their Rife units likely

1. Bought cheap versions
2. DID NOT KNOW HOW TO USE THEM PROPERLY - which frequencies, for how long, how often...

Our goal is one in the same...to CURE this disease.

You have chosen one path (abx), I would chose (if I had lyme) another (alternative - supplements, Rife, Ozone sauna, Far-infrared sauna).

I do NOT disrespect YOUR path, even if I disagree with it.

I ask the same from you.

United we stand.

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I started rifing because antibiotics were no longer helping me. I have been off antibiotics for about 2+ years. I recently did a very short course of full-dose Flagyl because we wanted to see what kind of herxing I would experience. I turned out to tolerate the herxing fine. The rifing significantly has reduced my BB load.

I was not feeling well when I started rifing. It has helped me, but the road is long, full of lots of herxing. Depending on how much Lyme you have in your body, it will take you longer or shorter to get better.

Detoxing helps a ton in the process. I took Detox Max in the middle of my treatment and got rid of my Mercury toxicity and heavy metal poisoning. I also do far infared sauna, which is great.

Rifing is a fabulous alternative to antibiotics. If antibiotics have not cured you, try it. What is the worst that could happen? You definitely spend less in the long run! It's a very cheap treatment when you look at long-term costs.

Let me know if you have more questions

Charis


issextreme AND secondtimearound , Are either of you on ABX now ? Were you feeling well when you started the rife ? I am glad to hear that
the EMEM gives evil herxes , because it is about

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As I stated, after one Rife treatment, my body temperature has stabilized for about 2 weeks at 98.0 +/- 0.2 degrees. This is a miracle in itself since my body temperature has been abnormally low for 12+ years fluctuating for the most part between 96.5 and 97.5, usually below 97.0 and never exceeding 97.5 unless an infection was active. It's possible I have a low grade fever but it's not likely since the temperature has not only been higher but also very stable compared to before.

Pardon me for asking again, but has anyone else with low body temperature experienced a significant and stable rise in body temperature after using Rife?

I think this is significant to know since body temperature is an objective, black-and-white medical measurement which is not influenced by the placebo effect (which the Drs. love to use almost as much as "it's all in your head").

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No, Marnie, obviously it was not asking if I was cured that was insulting- it was this which I opened with as a quote from you:

California...8 years facilitating a TBD group (so you should be very knowledgeable) and only 2 years here on this board to share that knowledge?

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You seriously mean to say that was not intended as a put-down>? If that's any kind of "respect" we have different definitions of the word. How was that intended? As a compliment>? I would call it an insult, thus the word insulting.

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Well as far as abx goes they did work for me and I know Sara for over seven years she has been on the east coast several times for rally and protests. She is very nice and because of her and a few others I am here today to talk and breath. I think you have to stop slamming people. People that don't have this disease shouldn't attack others that do.
Even the other side idsa uses abx and when you go to your regular doc for a cold or flu abx is the first thing they give you and they do work for some but not all.

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ANywayz, I am not going *here* anymore, I won't keep posting on this thread-

1. SOrry people who wanted to read about Rife. My feelinsg were hurt by what she said and I felt like I had to defend myself because I am *not* a newbie here nor someone who is apolitical.

2. Marnie I have always enjoyed your posts and will consider this a mistake.

3. RoadRunner, you ROCK and made my day just to see you on here*)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheered me up because boy I was feeling like everyone from the old days is gone or doesn't give a darn*)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we agree to disagree on Rife.

ANd you stand corrected re my tenure here Marnie and *I* did not know you did *not* have Lyme so I learned something new too.

Have a good Friday and weekends everybody- Rifers, go Rife yourselves crazy- and I *do* pray you don't get cancer! I just worry about you!
Seriously. I worry about Rife.

And Marnie, I love the majority of your posts, I think that is why it hurt my feelinsg *so* much!

And Jimmy, you did your good deed of the day for making a fellow Lymie not feel like the last years have been invisible-

I won't post again on this thread so please don't post anything mean-

Best wishes
to all
including Rifers,
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As I see it, this isn't a case where we should put one treatment method up against another one in some type of a competition. We need all that are in any way helpful.
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I agree - both treatments can work.

Antibiotics cured my Mom from Lyme. They did not cure me, so I went to an alternative.

It would be nice if people didn't fight so much here on Lymenet. It can be kind of ridiculous.

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I can also vouch for Sarah. She was here when I came 6 1/2 yrs ago!

I know she's a Lyme Warrior!

Sarah [kiss]

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Sara's inital post and her last comment,

"And I hope those people know how irresponsisble it is to offer that to people who may be soon to developing "multiple sclerosis" when they may have avoided that through longterm abx!!!!!!!!!"

Her statement: "Irresponsible to offer that (Rife)"...

made my blood boil.

As it does when she suggests Rife therapy will lead to cancer.

Rife therapy was used to stop cancer many years ago.

IF I had said, and I did NOT , "I hope "those people" know how irresponsible it is to offer

nonstop longterm antibiotics..."

You ALL would have chewed my head off.

Once again, a matter of which path one choses to take in order to TRY to CURE this disease.

This is not a matter of someone who is not ill "picking on" someone who is.

It IS a matter of being informed of all the choices available.

Sara...

"Study Shows Link Between Antibiotic Use and Increased Risk of Breast Cancer"

http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/AntibioticsQandA

I am trying very hard to find a way to prevent lyme from progressing to other diseases.

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I just dropped in to this thread and would like to offer some thoughts about the dialog process...
I'm only an expert in trying to make amends when my words came across wrong, not in always saying things right. [Smile]

It is so hard to be fully understood from written forums. And sometimes the 'tone of voice' the reader hears isn't the same as the writer intended.

We can never work too hard at speaking/writing in a way that gives honor to others.

Being part of a forum is an experiment in building community. Some days we are better at it than others.

Asking for clarification before reacting can help.

Smiling alot too. [Smile]

Our common passion for recovery is greater than our differences about the route.

Our concerns for others who seem to be in danger of falling into a treatment 'ditch' must be voiced too. We need each other.

May we all pursue honor for each other.

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Every time someone on this board tries to help others with alternative treatments someone has to chase them away.

Alternative users are people just like you--lyme illness or a lyme-like illness and desparate to find a way out of this he*&.

Some of us are just a little alternative, others have gone to the ends of the earth to find something that is worth using ti help them.

I've been signing on this site for 6 years. It took me a long time to start posting anything. Anti-social was a sx for me. I still don't find it easy to post here sometimes.

But I keep trying every once in a while to share what I learned for myself. All I know is MY story and what path I had to take to dig myself out of the hole I was in. I was not blessed numerous times in the last 4 years for just me, it's to help others.

Then I see one or more alternative thinking persons getting blasted and ridiculed on here and I shrink back into being a non-poster again.

From now on I will share my God given blessings and ignore any negativity.

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California Lyme: Personally I am inclined to try rife because of so many honest folks here who swear by it . BUT , you are not the only person here ( I read another post ) who did NOT THINK it worked for them .

I do thank you for sharing and believe that you represented honestly the experience of others you have seen struggle with this disease who did not have success with it .

I do not think there will ever be a one size fits all cure for any disease .

Thank you for sharing your thoughts . It sounds like you are a person who has invested large amounts of time trying to lift others out of their misery .
Best of luck to you !

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I am not convinced by either side, so I am going to build one and try it out.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave6002:
I am not convinced by either side, so I am going to build one and try it out.

Dave,

That's what I did, right after we lost our LLMD because of constant medical board harrassment.

It was either give up, try to live like an outlaw on meds from Mexico or even livestock meds, or find something to at least help enough to buy some time. It has done more than buy time.

Mine is quite different than any of the ones for sale, so I can't say comparatively how well those would work. They are apples and oranges.

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quote:
Mine is quite different than any of the ones for sale
James, thanks.

It would be interesting to know what kind of Rife you have, contact or none contact or plasma one?

I am trying to understand how Rife kill pathogens in our bodies.


Best wishes.

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If rife were totally a bogus idea , I do not think we would have so many highly intelligent folks post emphatically ( like Ernie ) that it helped them .

I am convinced that it can work . Does that mean that it will work for me ? That is a SEPARATE issue . Just because something does not help me in particular does not indicate that
the therapy can not be effective in some cases .

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Ernie , Which rife machine did you start with ? Which machine do you think helped you most ? I think I read that you have used more then one ?

Missextreme, which machine are you using that causes the nasty herxes ? It sounds pretty powerful .

I really value the input given here .

Didn't Tailz buy a rife machine ? How is she doing with it ?

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Hey - I'm Highly Intelligent too! Just don't ask my wife to confirm it!

All My Best,
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quote:
Originally posted by map1131:
From now on I will share my God given blessings and ignore any negativity.

Pam

You got it, Pam!!

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I am a newbie here at Lyme Net but not to Lyme or rifing. I started Rifing in 1998 after years of roller coaster of IV and oral antibiotics. I have an EMEM 2 and was able to get off of antibiotics in 6 months and improved over the next 2 years to the point of thinking I was done with Lyme. I was not symptom free but 95% better most days. Due to bad diet, extreme work stress and getting lax with rife, in Dec of 2005 I relapsed but not to the extent of before Rife. I began having Herxs to rifing which I hadn't had in the recent past. I did do antibiotics or at least tried 3 different times with horrible herxes and side affects to the antibiotics. I improved my diet, restarted suppliments, more acupuncture, sauna and looked for other therapies. I found Bryan Rosner's book Lyme and Rife and realized I had focused too much on certain frequencies and needed to detox as well. Recently I added Salt and C. I also want to get an additional Rife machine or two. In the last week I have greatly improved. A good spot to look for more info on Rife and Lyme is the Yahoo group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme-and-rife/

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quote:
Originally posted by Dave6002:


It would be interesting to know what kind of Rife you have, contact or none contact or plasma one?

Mine would definitely be classified 'non-contact'. [Big Grin]

The first thing I noticed was that there are several totally different 'types' of Rife machine, and all are quite different than Rife's Rife machines.

Unfortunately, there are huge gaps in our understanding of Rife's devices of the 30's. There are many brilliant minds in electronics today, but unfortunately there are few alive that have any comprehension of the components and devices of the 1920's and 1930's.

To try and fill some of those gaps, I began buying electronics of that era that I could find, any that I thought Rife's might have been familiar with and found useful.

Also old medical texts of the time, especially the ones dealing with any kind of electrotherapy.

Tremendous research was done on all aspects of the subject at that time. More than any who would glibbly type 'won't it cause cancer?' could possibly imagine. Believe it or not, safety is not a totally new concept.

The military has compiled and preserved some of this knowledge, as well as adding some of their own 'discoveries' that you probably don't even want to know about.

Much of it though, only exist in rare books sitting in a box of 'grandpa's stuff' in somebody's garage. Chances are it will be thrown in the garbage someday to make room for a new jet ski.

A big stand out of the time was Shortwave Diathermy. From its invention a few years earlier and 1937, when a textbook I have was written, there were over 750 studies published on that sub-field alone. Safety issues, various techniques, as well as what it was and was not good for were the focus of most.

At one point I bought a dusty old physical therapy diathermy from probably the 1940's, and restored it to a safe operating condition. Mainly just to get a sense of how the large vacuum tube designs Rife would have been familiar with operated.

At the time I had horrible lower back pain, and lesser pain in my knees and feet. Despite long courses on antibiotics prescribed by an LLMD that I was still on.

I found that the diathermy machine all by itself drastically reduced the pain in by joints.

Rife was focused on cancer, not Lyme Disease. So rather than trying to duplicate his work exactly, I decided to use the physical therapy type of diathermy as a delivery mechanism for frequencies of a Rife device... since it had this wonderful pain and inflamation relieving effect.

The device ended up as essentially a 27.12mhz physical therapy diathermy that can be pulsed on and off at a rate that is variable from about 100hz to well over 1,000,000hz. 380,000 to 420,000 has seemed to be a useful range for me.

I am using diathermy type insulated condenser pads to get the theraputic effect of the diathermy. The pulsing reduces the power output to about 1/2, but there is still enough of the effect to create a pleasant gentle warmth.

There are many decades of safety related data for both short wave diathermy and pulsed short wave diathermy. Modern versions of the same machines are being manufactured and used even today.

That long history is a good basis for determining the safety, in my opinion. It is more than we have for most of the meds we use and take for granted.

That is what I am doing anyway. I am sure somebody can come up with something easier to build that maybe even works better

I haven't tried a plasma bulb arrangement with this yet. That would be similar to the 'Rife/Bare' machines.

As I mentioned, one can use just about any square wave generator as a pad machine with minimal cost. That type is the least effective in my opinion.

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I am trying to understand how Rife kill pathogens in our bodies.

From what I have seen, the direct contact machines work by stimulating neutrophils into activating and gobbling up pathogens they encounter. Lyme tends to make these sluggish, so that can help. I have not seen evidence of any MEANINGFUL pathogens being killed outright by these.

I have seen nearly direct evidence that the spherical 'L' forms forms of Bb can be inactivated in such a way that they stick together in large motionless clumps that the immune system. This though at higher power levels and using RF energy.

I don't know if it is actually killing anything, or just enabling antibodies to detect them and do their work. I suspect the latter.

Doug McClean, of 'Doug Coil' fame, used strong audio frequency magnetic fields to disrupt Bb spirochete forms from a culture. Unfortunately, they usually are found in the alternate forms inside the human body, which are much harder to destroy. Thus the common belief that antibiotics at the same time is counterproductive.

If the cyst forms could be targeted on the other hand, the two would work together.

Rife's lab notes had machine settings for treating a number of common pathogens, but from his writings he was still searching for ways to deal with some others.

I suspect that not all pathogenic organisms are susceptible to his approach, and some that are but would require a totally different set of conditions.

Some have succeded in killing poor little paramecia, but that is a far cry from anything that makes us sick. They are little aquatic critters that are (barely) visible to the naked eye. A neet trick, but not that medically useful.

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Marcy , Thanks for sharing your story . I wish you great success in regaining your health
ASAP !

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James ,
Your description of the way rife works makes sense . I had wondered if it killed bacteria .
From what I have read we do have sluggish white cells ( and maybe not enough - "quantity" .)

To me , the whole idea seemed nutty at first ,
but like someone else here said , the testimonies from intelligent people who can honestly say they are feeling better over time, are convincing .

Maybe it should be called " neutrophil therapy " .

I have to admit though that the technical stuff is not something my unscientific mind can wrap itself around , but I am sure there are some folks who can fathom diathermy technology . They will appreciate your details .

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I think Dr. Rife's machine actually killed or deactivated (as in made unable to reproduce) the target pathogen.

That is alot more difficult, and remains elusive.

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I find it confusing that people use Rife or Rife-like machines of varying strenghts, at different frequencies, for different amounts of time per session, over various lenghts of months and years, and improve, or get well. Some say Rife blows up the bacteria, others that it stimulates the immune fuction, but there is little consistency to the picture painted, in terms of exactly how to replicate the results.
And anyone who doesn't question the wisdom of running electromagnetic energy through their body hasn't heard of the electic chair.
As to treatment safety, in many cases only long term studies of reasonable nummbers of people can demonstrate safety or danger. That's a problem for both conventional and alternative therapies.

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Yes, electricity can be used to kill people too, as can medications.

Unfortunately there has been much research into that subject too over the past century. In fact, that seems to be a subject that is studied more fervently.

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When I was at death's door at the beginning of my lyme treatment 4 years ago Sarah was right there for me. I called her multiple times and she always generously and kindly helped me with valuable information and emotional support. I was a complete stranger calling out of the blue and yet, even though a very very busy person herself, she spent time with me EVERY TIME I called!

Abx saved my life. I personally know people who feel they have been cured by longterm abx. I am still in treatment and now that I'm better I use an integrative approach that includes frequency devices. Before going on abx however, nothing worked FOR ME. I did try alternatives and only got worse (I had always relied on natural/alternative methods before being disabled by lyme). Out of complete desperation I went on abx and within weeks of starting I made significant and sustained progress.

This is not an easy journey. I can't wait to be off abx but I am very very grateful for them. My life is enjoyable and full again. I thank Sarah, Lymetoo and Gigi for caring and helping me along the way as well. Ya'll are the very best!

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I'm personally all in favor of antibiotic therapy as the first line of treatment if there is any way of obtaining it. It is unfortunate that obtaining adequate treatment is becoming so difficult in many areas.

For one reason, even if the ABX do no more than slow down the Lyme, they can get rid of some of the co-infections. They also help you get back the upper hand if you are too weak and sick to fight the infection.

I personally know people who know they have this and are suffering, but won't do anything about it but take stuff they find at a health food store, or try to 'balance their energy flows' with crystals and such. (No offense intended to anyone.)

In any case none of it is any kind of a real intervention with the possibility of turning things around.

These are the people who won't take antibiotics because... "Well, Duh! 'Antibiotic' literally means 'anti-life'!" (That is the stupidest reasoning I have ever heard, and it really annoys me... but no offense to anyone.)

They aren't likely to use something like a Rife machine either, because... "Well Duh! Won't the [cell phone, TV, Rife machine, TENS unit, toaster oven, other] cause cancer?" (Never mind that there is over a century of study behind some of these things, so the real risks and benefits can be quantified.)

Meanwhile an out of control infection is ravaging their body unchallenged.

The REAL RISK is what this will do to you if you don't do whatever it takes to get it under control.

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In talking about how Rife machines work I can't help but I can tell you of one side effect I had initially. I was on IV antibiotics at the time with weekly blood work. If I used my machine the night before blood work my white count dropped significantly. But If I had the blood work done before the next time I used my machine my white count was back up. This freaked out my LLMD and he was afraid it was destroying bone marrow. But when he saw the count come back up he wondered if I had spiroketes in my white blood cells and the machine was killing those spiroketes. And since the count came back up he felt my bone marrow was making new white blood cells. I never heard of anyone with similar experiences but not too many people would be getting weekly blood work to notice this.

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That is truly a unique experience that I have never heard before Marcy. It sure would be interesting and useful to know for sure if the white blood cells were in fact occupied by the spirochete.

Thanks for sharing that information.

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Interesting!

I'm reading a medical textbook from 1937, and it mentions a study where unexpected fluctions in WBC counts were noted right after treatment with shortwave diathermy.

I know a diathermy treatment is alot different than your rife machine, but they have the common factor of an electrical stimulation. There may be some parallel.

What they found was that the WBC's would migrate from the blood into the tissue in the treated area, with the result being increased phagocytosis in that area. The counts in the blood would return to normal fairly quickly.

The big controversy back then was whether this was just the effect of heat or if other factors were involved.

I think Rife may have chosen to use a plasma bulb instead of other available techniques partly just to distance himself from that squabble. His plasma tube would not have introduced heat into the equation.

That was an interesting observation.

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Once more...

Our neutrophils, most abundant WBC, bind zinc via a protein called calprotectin.

And Bb has...

"zinc fingers".

At the base of the ``finger'' are two cysteine and two histidine amino acids which bind with a single zinc ion to hold the structure together.

Now...if you are paying close attention...

Histidine...

Breaks down to histamine.

And histamine is released into the synapses is broken down by acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, the same enzyme used in the processing of alcohol.

So...you wonder why histamine levels go up and you have an "allergic reaction"? Not enough acetaldehyde dehydrogenase 'cause it is "busy" breaking down the alcohol/ethanol that is coming from Bb fermenting sugar.

Not enough Mg to counter. Mg is an anti-inflammatory and is ANTI HISTAMINE.

In IV doses it is given to halt status asthmaticus. A near death asthma attack.

Getting back to our neutrophils:

Our neutrophils, according to what I have read, are destroyed and new ones made about every 3 weeks.

Different cells of the body have different "life spans". For example, because our stomach is so acidic, the cells that line our stomach are replace every DAY.

High powered TARGETED frequencies are used to shatter kidney stones. The person is put in a large tub of water and the frequencies are directed at the stones...most are calcium.

Do you know how much energy it takes to shatter calcium stones?

A LOT! Think of how long our bones (which are mostly, but not entirely, calcium) last.

Unfortunately, in the news within the past year, researchers have found out that persons who had kidney stones blasted apart this way (instead of surgery to remove them), develop diabetes and high blood pressure.

I have a close friend this happened to! HONEST.

Okay...so what does that tell me?

Frequencies, a negative charge, impact more than just calcium levels. They impact OTHER minerals too.

Driving them down.

Soooooooooo. It is vital to restore the minerals after treatments.

Especially Mg.

Since Mg is attached to ATP as Mg-ATP...our energy carrier.

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Marnie , I appreciate the explanation and reminder of the need to replenish minerals .

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James, thanks for the info from the 1937 textbook. That is very interesting that they noticed an effect on white blood cells. Too bad that research didn't continue.

Marnie,
thanks for the reminder about minerals. I am trying to get my magnesium intake up.


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More information.

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