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csperanza
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Hi. I think I mentioned in a different post that after being treated for Lyme, my LLMD is also treating me for babs. One of the things I had meant to ask him about before he brought up babs was bruising very easily and occasionally getting petechiae (pinpoint red dots, not a rash, but broken blood vessel kind of thing). In fact about a month ago, I bumped my leg against the car trying to get something that fell under the seat and I got the nastiest bruise I'd ever seen. Bigger than a grapefruit, and 3 wks later, still turning all sorts of colors but fading very slowly.

3 days after starting malarone, the bruise is completely, totally gone.

am i totally deluding myself by thinking this is a good sign?

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I think brusing can be a symptom of Lyme. I had some ughly nasty bruises before and while taking Mepron. Mepron is a lot like Malarone.
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Don't know the answer to that -- 3 days sounds a bit quick to see a difference in any major symptom. However, it is possible! Certainly many people respond to antibiotics for lyme within hours of taking it (by herxing).

I get alot of black & blues too, easily, and some petechiae (is that what they are called?). Started malarone about 45 days ago and have not noticed too much of a difference in this; possibly less petechiae.

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Vermont Lymie, how are you tolerating the malarone? I am finding it very powerful. It's making me super fatigued and a bit nauseous. Although I'm not a big herxer -- I haven't had any major ones in the past, I do feel like this is causing me to feel worse temporarily, whether it's herxing or just getting used to the medication.
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I am on half a dose of Malarone a day and I like it so much more then Mepron. I hope I never have to take Mepron ever again because it made me feel depressed tired and just plan yucky along with having overly frequent urination issues too. Even when I was taking a full dose of Malarone I still prefer it to Mepron. 4 months on Mepron did not get rid of my Babesia so after it returned I started Malarone.
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Malarone hit me pretty hard. I can tolerate alot of abx, but malarone has been tough.

You can do a search under malarone and find a few threads about several of us herxing/feeling awful with malarone! My earlier thread was called -- Help! Herxing or Relapse!

But it did get easier after the first four weeks. The first month on malarone kicked my butt, and I did not sleep well, felt awful in many ways -- chills, sweats, cognitive crash, dizzy, anxious, etc. Fatigue too.

A couple of weeks ago I started some new supplements that may have helped me. That or I am getting acclimated to malarone. Buhner's recommendations: Eleuthero; Sarsaparilla root, and Chitosan (before bed). I feel much better after starting these three supplements; Buhner's book describes in detail how Sarsaparilla binds endotoxins, and Chitosan is a binder and detoxer as well.

The Eleuthero has given me much more energy, no doubt about that.

Ginger tea or ginger root, or ginger supplement helps alot with nausea.

Take it easy and see if you can reduce activities for the first month. Hope you feel better.

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Bruising is comon with Babesiosis because it causes anemia and can cause hemolytic anemia-

I had my blood hemolyze when herxing with Mepron-
I went to have blood drawn & they had to draw it 3 times (the person was so glad I was still lying down I have a vagus nerve Lyme thing where I pass out when blood is drawn so I have to lie down and rise slowly over 15-20 minutes after) and my red and white cells kept slushing together!!!

the phlebotmist redid it and then said, "i just don't understand it!! The only time this happens is in REALLY rare diseases-"

I got worried because I didn't know about this- did I have something else too>? some other rare thing?

"Like?" I asked fearfully/

She goes looks it up in something, "Beeb-Baaab-?"

"Babesiosis?"

"YES!!! How did you know that?"

"because that's what I have!!!"

It was funny. Had to be there!!!

Anyway, the red blood cell walls can weaken and break and then that can spread like Dominoes/
I was really bad with bruises that way but you don't sound bad at all because they aren't happening without outside cause. If they begin to happen spontaneously get wrose & worse for over 2 weeks then worry, otherwise I wouldn't!

My LLMD said it was common with babs esp Babs HERXES and that it should resolve within a week-

and since mepron- no inside bruises!!!

I called them that because I would feel this weird zinging pain and then within a minute there would be a spreading black bruise- largest was 4 by 6 inches- that had me almost going to hospital- even if it gets ultra bad there is tx for it- plasmapharesis (same as for GB Syndrome)- nasty tx though but very rare to get that bad!!!

Bruising can also happen with Ehrlichiosis which can also cause vascular collapse!!!!

It is associated mainly with BABESIOSIS or ANAPLASMOSIS (Ehrlichiosis) not really so much with Lyme proper although not unheard of-
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Sarah

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Thanks for this info Sarah I am now reaching for the ferrum phos.
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My neighbor also had significant bruising from ehrlichia (sp?).

Very low platelet counts associated as well with this co-infection.

Hugs,

Geneal

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