LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Bacteria requires IRON for growth?!!?

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Bacteria requires IRON for growth?!!?
KauaiGoddess
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 11782

Icon 1 posted      Profile for KauaiGoddess     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Aloha,

Has anyone ever heard that you shouldn't take IRON supplements if you have a bacterial infection??

My book 'Prescription for Nutritional Healing' by Phyllis Balch (great book by the way)

says:

" do not take iron supplements if you have an infection. Because bacteria require iron for

growth, the body "hides" iron in the liver and other storage sites when an infection is

present. Taking extra iron at such times encourages the proliferation of bacterias in the body"

Hmmm....


I have low Ferritin levels and one of my Dr.'s put me on Iron (liquid- Floradex).

I had my Iron levels checked 3 months later and they dropped in half.

So maybe, the extra Iron I was taking wasn't being absorb and explains why I got worse while taking it- I was feeding the bacteria.....hmmm???


Anyone have smilar expierences? Or ever heard of this Iron/Bacteria relationship??

What can I do for to treat anemia??? I guess that would be to treat Lymes first ....the culprit ......

Mahalos~

Fawne

--------------------
Energy flows where attention goes~

Posts: 302 | From Kauai | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
HEATHERKISS
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6789

Icon 9 posted      Profile for HEATHERKISS     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My mother has the same iron deffiecency problem as you. She goes to the top optemologist in huntington beach.

She gets IV infussions. She is mostly with chemo patients but she does not get chemo or have cancer.

???????? I don't know? Hopefully some one who knows will come along.

I grew up on Kauai. Went to Holy cross School in Kalaheo. The school is no longer there. so sad. Those filipino nuns were crazy!!!!!

--------------------
HEATHER

 -

Posts: 1974 | From ABERDEEN, NJ 07747 | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
KauaiGoddess
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 11782

Icon 1 posted      Profile for KauaiGoddess     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks Heather~

Yeah I grew up over in Kilauea area.

I know this isn't the place to ask, but I have you here,

so I was wondering if you knew of any good LLMD's in California???? Seems you are in that area...I'm still looking....

Mahalos~

Fawne

--------------------
Energy flows where attention goes~

Posts: 302 | From Kauai | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Vanilla
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
A good form of iron because it goes right into your system when it melts under your tongue is Hyland's ferrum phos in a 6x dose (this is a low dose but might be good for you.

Many LD patients have babesia as well which makes them low on iron and LD makes you low on magnesium. I would also take Hylands Mag Phos in a 6 x too.

I have no connection with Hylands I just love their minerals/cell salts. I am not a doctor I just play one on TV.

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Cass A
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11134

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Cass A     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If you're trying to kill off Babesia, iron is important to take, or you can become very deficient, according to Dr. Schaller.

Best,

Cass A

Posts: 1243 | From Thousand Oaks, CA | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
wrthster
Member
Member # 11126

Icon 1 posted      Profile for wrthster     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I was told once by a Nurse Practioner of an Aids Immunologist not to take Iron. She never said why though. I think I am anemic and found that strange. After seeing your post I am sure that is probably the reason, to much bacteria because the doctor at that time wanted to put me on five antibiotics. Hope this helps.
Posts: 21 | From Tampa, Fl | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Beverly
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 1271

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Beverly     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
From my own experience, every time I took an Iron supplemnet I got a headache and TMJ. So I took it on and off, more off though. (I couldn't take the pain)

Now that I have been treated for Babesia my Amenia is finally getting better, without the iron supplments.

Posts: 6620 | From Michigan | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Aniek
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 5374

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Aniek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I have been on and off anemic my whole life. I starting taking iron a few months ago when a blood test showed anemia. My energy really did increase substantially.

If you are sick, being anemic won't help you get better.

--------------------
"When there is pain, there are no words." - Toni Morrison

Posts: 4711 | From Washington, DC | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
KauaiGoddess
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 11782

Icon 1 posted      Profile for KauaiGoddess     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks everyone, I love all the input.

Vanilla-
I'll check out Hyland products.. Thanks!

"Many LD patients have babesia as well which makes them low on iron and LD makes you low on magnesium."

This is really helpful, about 9 months ago (while on the search for what was wrong with my health) I discovered I was SUPER SUPER low in Mag. --and my Ferritin was low too....

Doctors didn't know why....I started taking 800mg of Mag a day...I still feel like this isn't enough...

How much Mag. do you all take??? Isn't it when you get the runs you've had to much?? This hasn't happened.....hmmmm

Yeah, still not sure if I should be taking iron. I don't have blood work from IGeneX yet, so not sure what I'm up against....

I hope something shows, it'd make things a lot easier....

Mahalos~

Fawne

--------------------
Energy flows where attention goes~

Posts: 302 | From Kauai | Registered: May 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Aniek
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 5374

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Aniek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My LLMD told me to take between 900 mg to 1100 mg of mag a day.

Another doctor told me Malic Acid is the best form of magnesium for lymies to take. He said it is easy to handle and good with muscle pain.

--------------------
"When there is pain, there are no words." - Toni Morrison

Posts: 4711 | From Washington, DC | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
micul
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6314

Icon 1 posted      Profile for micul     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Malic acid is not magnesium. Some say that it can help you to absorb mag better.

"Malic acid, an alpha-hydroxy organic acid, is sometimes referred to as a fruit acid. This is because malic acid is found in apples and other fruits. It is also found in plants and animals, including humans. In fact, malic acid, in the form of its anion malate, is a key intermediate in the major biochemical energy-producing cycle in cells known as the citric acid or Krebs cycle located in the cells' mitochondria.

Malic acid, also known as apple acid, hydroxybutanedioic acid and hydroxysuccinic acid, is a chiral molecule. The naturally occurring stereoisomer is the L-form. The L-form is also the biologically active one. There is some preliminary evidence that malic acid, in combination with magnesium, may be helpful for some with fibromyalgia. Malic acid sold as a supplement is mainly derived from apples and, therefore, is the L-form. L-malic acid has the following chemical structure:"

--------------------
You're only a failure when you stop trying.

Posts: 945 | From U.S | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
gambler
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 8441

Icon 1 posted      Profile for gambler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This is why I don't take iron even though I am anemic.


In an effort to track down potential anti-biofilm substances, the UI team focused on lactoferrin, a component of the body's antibacterial defense system. The researchers found that bacteria grown in the presence of small amounts of lactoferrin were unable to develop into biofilms. As a consequence, these bacteria remained vulnerable to antibiotics and other antimicrobial substances.

"Lactoferrin is present in lung secretions, tears, saliva, breast milk, and other body fluids that come in contact with bacteria," Singh said. "Everywhere this defense is needed, lactoferrin is present in large quantities."

Using time-lapse microscopy to monitor the motion of bacteria, the UI researchers discovered that lactoferrin causes P. aeruginosa bacteria to roam incessantly across a surface instead of forming cell groups or colonies, the first step in biofilm development. Lactoferrin traps iron, making it unavailable to the bacteria. Iron is a critical nutrient for bacteria and is difficult to acquire from the environment. The UI team discovered that low iron concentrations stimulate a specialized form of bacterial surface motion that causes the bacteria to continually move around as individuals, rather than aggregating in groups.

"From the perspective of the host, this may be a fail-safe defense mechanism. If our laboratory studies reflect what happens on human surfaces, this defense may keep bacteria that survive initial killing from forming biofilms," Singh said.

http://www.biofilmsonline.com/cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/00114.html

Posts: 243 | From chicago | Registered: Dec 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
treepatrol
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 4117

Icon 1 posted      Profile for treepatrol     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Borrelia do not even need iron but most all other bacteria do.

--------------------
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Remember Iam not a Doctor Just someone struggling like you with Tick Borne Diseases.

Newbie Links

Posts: 10564 | From PA Where the Creeks are Red | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Aniek
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 5374

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Aniek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Micul,

Thanks for pointing that out. I take Magnesium in the form of Magnesium Malate with malic acid.

--------------------
"When there is pain, there are no words." - Toni Morrison

Posts: 4711 | From Washington, DC | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.