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There has been some confusion in the past as to what role homeopathy can play in the removal of heavy metals. Because of the confusion, I thought I would post about it here on a separate thread.

The fact of the matter is that heavy metals can and will be removed during the full course of treatment with a trained, experienced homeopath.

I have done quite a bit of research on this over the past year, and the above statement comes not from me but from homeopaths themselves, in excerpts from various books and homeopathic forums.

At this point, most people on this forum recognize that heavy metals can be a major factor in any chronic disease process. The confusion comes when determining what to do about it from a homeopathic standpoint.

Homeopathy is a system of medicine based on The Law of Similars, or ``like cures like''. People often misinterpret this to mean that ``same cures same'', but that is a different principal entirely! In the system of homeopathy, medicines - or remedies - are matched to ``people'' based on their symptoms. The remedies ARE NOT matched to the disease itself.

Isopathy is a system which undertakes to cure a disease by means of using the identical disease agent for treatment, or ``same cures same''. Therefore, this system focuses on the disease itself, and not on the person with the disease. This is vastly different from homeopathy and in the sense that the disease is the target, it is somewhat similar to conventional medicine.

Early homeopaths experimented extensively with isopathy in hopes it was a simpler answer to curing disease. But what they found was that isopathy never cured anyone, although it was often very helpful as an adjunctive therapy during the course of homeopathic treatment. And as such, isopathy has been a part of homeopathy almost since the beginning.

So, what does this all mean?

It means that you can't run out and take homeopathic Mercury and hope to remove mercury from your body. Likewise, you can't take homeopathic aluminum (Alumina) in order to chelate aluminum, etc.

In fact, you can actually make your heavy metal problem worse by doing this, as Gigi can attest to personally.

What happens is this: When you take an inappropriate homeopathic remedy - one that does not match well with your overall symptoms at the moment - and you take it for an extended period of time, chances are very good that you will acquire the ``symptom picture'' of that remedy!

That is because you are actually introducing a new ``disease state'' into the picture that was not there before. Not only can your existing symptoms get worse, but new ones are often added that were never part of your ``disease'' before. And the worst news is that the very thing you were trying to treat will now be more difficult to ``remove'' since it has been ``reinforced'' with inappropriate homeopathic treatment.

I recently discovered that I now have a similar situation in my own case from the inappropriate use of Ledum. I posted about this on page 3 of the ``In Defense of Homeopathy'' thread so I won't repeat it here since it is not a heavy metal issue.

Homeopathic remedies are powerful medicines and as such, they can have powerful consequences when used improperly. That is why you should never try to treat yourself with homeopathics (remedies) for a chronic disease.

Below, I have recreated a conversation from another thread here on LymeNet, which includes excerpts of what some homeopaths have to say about the heavy metal issue.

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(Gigi - original post):
Homeopathics for heavy metal detox per se is not recommended.

The subject among the knowledgable doctors is no longer for discussion. Hasn't been for years. It does not work and/or effects are bad.

(Gigi - later post):
I first learned from Dr. K. in 1998 that homeopathic treatment for mercury does not work, because I was using it!!!!!! on my own before I learned more. He told me that the community of doctors who are practicing on a daily basis in this field have finally reached a consensus that it does not work, especially for mercury. I know that the discussions went on for several years until finally agreed that homeopathic mercury does not remove mercury from the brain. I have only heard repetitions of the same thing since then. I came to him with the brainfog of all brainfogs after trying homeopathic mercury on my own or as recommended by others. It took me a l o n g time to get rid of it.

(Tracy):
Well, of course it won't work!! There's the basic problem: This is NOT homeopathy.

Dr. K. - and presumably his fellow docs who came to these conclusions - are trying to practice ``isopathy'', not homeopathy. You cannot state that ``homeopathy does not work'' for something-or-other if you insist on using it in an isopathic manner.

If the patient's symptoms do not match the ``remedy picture'' of Mercury, taking homeopathic Mercury will do nothing to help get rid of the metal.

The same goes for the use of nosodes. They can be very helpful when properly used, but unless your symptoms match the symptom picture of a healthy person who takes that same nosode, it will not affect a healing or a permanent cure of a chronic problem.

If you get exposed to poison ivy, you don't automatically reach for a remedy made from poison ivy (Rhus-tox.) There are actually much better remedies out there to completely eliminate the effects of the poison ivy.

Let me give some examples of what experienced homeopaths have stated on other threads when asked specifically about heavy metal detox. (And these homeopaths have studied under some of the best - Robin Murphy, Luc DeSchepper, S.K. Banerjea, Alan Schmukler.):

``Correct the pH balance of the human blood by giving proper diet and use homeopathy to treat the presenting individual symptoms and the disease or problem goes away.''

``The best homeopathic approach is complete case taking and then selecting the similar remedy.''

``The homeopathic remedy chosen according to the symptom profile will produce detox.''

And here's what my own homeopath has said to the same type of question:

``To think we should go one by one and take homeopathic remedies-- mercury, for example-- on an assumption about the inevitable presence of mercury in the body, rather than on the presence of actual symptoms of mercury, would be a foolish use of homeopathy.''

``But, here's an actual case for you. A man came to a homeopath, my friend Alan, with all the symptoms of Argent-nit. , which is homeopathic Silver Nitrate. Alan asked him about his job. It turns out that part of his work consisted of using silver nitrate. This man was "proving" silver nitrate, he had all the symptoms: anxiety, agoraphobia and so on. Needless to say, he was cured by the very thing that caused his problem.''


As further evidence, I've found some specific remedies used in heavy metal problems by practicing homeopaths, and in no case was the remedy the same as the metal being detoxed. That's because homeopathy treats the person, not the ``disease'':

Cadmium-ox. - Aluminum detox
Hepar-sulph. - Mercury detox
Arsenicum-alb. - Lead detox

(Tracy - later post):
One other thought on the homeopathic detoxification of heavy metals:

Gigi has told us many times about not only the importance of removing heavy metals, but that it is crucial that it be done at the right time and in the right manner to avoid some potentially-serious problems.

This actually fits perfectly with classical homeopathy.

I read somewhere about a homeopathic case where the patient had a serious disorder - something like MS or Lupus or Hepatitis C - something that mainstream medicine had done little to help. It was determined early on that this patient had high Mercury levels.

The patient went through a number of remedies, slowly peeling away the layers of ``trauma'', in reverse order of their appearance, and lo and behold, eventually the patient exhibited most of the symptoms of..... Mercury!

To me, this shows how classical homeopathic treatment leads the practitioner to remove the recent obstacles that are in the way of arriving at the underlying ``etiology'' of the patient's suffering, without forcing the patient's body to try to do something it cannot yet handle.

I hope this post has been of help. [Smile]

Tracy

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This post is of great help, Tracy. I am impressed with the knowledge you are gaining in this area. It sounds like you are researching even beyond the book of homeopathy.

Thank you so much for sharing.

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Help me understand...
My naturopath has me taking two tsp of "detoxisode"--(a clear liquid of weird sounding things/frequencies) per day.

I have chronic lyme and I am sure heavy metals...is this homeopathic remedy harmful?

Thanks,
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Thanks much, Luvs. Yes, I've been studying this for well over a year now.

Kim, I really don't want to discourage anyone from using ``combination remedies'' prescribed by their NDs or other practitioners. There are some fascinating and innovative treatments being done using combinations, or adding homeopathic remedies directly during chelation, for example.

Really, all I can tell you is that these combinations fall outside the realm of ``Classical Homeopathy'', which is the administration of one, single remedy at a time. In certain circumstances, a person may take more than one remedy in a day, but at different times and never together.

It sounds like you have a ``combination remedy'', or possibly a homachord - several potencies or strengths of the same remedy combined into one. So, let's just call it a ``combination remedy''.

Combination remedies were introduced in about 1911, and the controversy surrounding them has been going on ever since.

Single remedies are ``proved'' by giving them to healthy people and observing what symptoms they develop. If nobody knows what symptoms a certain combination would create in a healthy person, then how do we know what symptoms it will treat in someone who is ill?

Most combination remedies have no ``provings'' - no homeopathic `trials' done to know what they would do to a healthy person. Therefore, it is pure speculation that your body will use what it needs from the remedy and discard the rest. We just don't know if that is how combinations work or not, unless actual ``provings'' have been done.

When we combine remedies (and sometimes different potencies or ``strengths'' of the same remedy), do we get ``homeopathic mud'', has a whole new remedy been created, or does the potential action of each individual remedy come through and retain its individuality? And if the latter, then what does the body do with those remedies it doesn't need over an extended period of time?

Therefore, personally speaking, I would not take something like this long-term. Homeopathic remedies are designed to ``fix'' problems, and prolonged use is never encouraged (unless you are terminal and the remedies help ease pain, anxiety, etc.).

Talk to your ND about this. Perhaps he has some evidence that provings have been done on this remedy, or some other evidence of it's effectiveness and safety for long-term use.

Sometimes we have to trust that our practitioners know what they are doing, and that they have some evidence of that. I don't think it is too much to ask for them to share their information with us. (I Googled `detoxisode' and could not even find ingredients listed anywhere.)

Tracy

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Humanbeing, I've done detoxisode with a muscle testing doc a couple times. Didn't find it harmful for me. Is your naturopath muscle testing you?


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Tracy, thanks for having posted all that.

I wrote a long post and it got lost....

I'll come back again another day as it's late.

Thanks again, this is really good info.
Selma

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Trust that you are familiar with Laser Energetic Detoxification involving certain forms of homeopathics covering many aspects of toxicity.
There is much evidence that it works well. I have had some of it myself with great benefit.
I have posted about it several times.

Maybe you can find my post on Quantum Photonic Detoxifcation of Heavy Metals by William Lee Cowden, M.D. and other posts by me on this subject.

It's a treatment modality developed over the last few years, and if anyone has the Explore article of last year on the "Laser Energetic Detoxification: Rapid Detoxification with lasting Results" by Eve Greenberg/Staff Reporter, you might find that interesting. I have the article, but do not have time to copy it right now. And I am not sure I want to.

Energy harmonics that the body wants from a homeochord delivered by laser! It's most exciting and now being taught here and in other countries.


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Gigi, to be honest with you, if I saw your post about LED I'm sure I didn't read it.

You see, homeopathy is so unlike any other system of medicine on the planet that, for my purposes, I need to acquire a clear understanding of conventional or ``Classical Homeopathy'' before I can hope to understand, evaluate, or employ any of the other `homeopathic offshoot therapies'.

In some ways, it seems that many of these innovative therapies are simply trying to ``build a better mousetrap'' when it comes to the use of homeopathy. While that is a good thing in terms of promoting ongoing research, it will be many years before the long-term benefits can be assessed.

In other words, has there really been an advancement compared to traditional methods, or has the new therapy just re-arranged treatment priorities and no steps have really been eliminated in the process?

Since many of these therapies are so new, it must be understood by the patient that this is `experimental' and not to be confused with a proven therapy as far as long-term evaluation is concerned.

Besides that, I have to remember the old saying:

``If it ain't broke, don't fix it.''

I'm still learning, Gigi (and hopefully always will be). [Wink]

Tracy

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Truthfinder,

"........if I saw your post about LED I'm sure I didn't read it."

That's too bad. You are missing learning about a wonderful combination of "sciences". Even Hahnemann would have taken a peek.

Take care.

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Just peeping here again!

I guess Tracy is not a believer on ART or muscle tests?

ART IS powerful, when done by a knowledgeable practioner.

It's true that new treatments can't 'compare' to older treatments that have proven experience, I also agree with Tracy. But with diseases like lyme that involve so many different aspects and healing, I do support innovative approaches because this is an overwhelming disease for both patient and practioner...

Just to tell one of my experiences with , homeopathy and ART here.....

I am also a long term patient of a classic homeopath who is a doctor, he did wonderful things to me and my whole family, slow but steady improvments during the years for us all.

But he couldn't help me much when I felt sick with lyme, I tried his approach but lyme is so multifactorial that he just couldn't do his trial/ error with classic homeopathy, he couldn't follow my health going downwards to hell. He was not a lyme specialist either. I got some relief, but it didn't mean any real improvement, far from it. It was more on the level of symptom reliever. In the long run, he was going to find something, I'm sure, but it would take time as my symtpoms were just overwhelming, and ever changing.

When I told him I found someone to treat me, someone with experience with lyme patients, he just said 'this is great, I'm happy for you'. He truly was.

Well, having said that, I was mostly on herbs and chelation under this naturopath. But sometimes, I got stuck (mostly my detox paths were blocked, I think).

Then I was seeing another doctor in between who does ART too, but he uses MAINLY homeopathy to treat lyme (he only takes lyme patients). He combined the yin theory of dr. K, using ART to see which substance to balance each of our organs, and man, that has been the MOST amazing experience I have been having with homeopathy in the last year.

It acts like a thunder, so strong it hits. The effect is amazing. It's purely homeopathy, what he gives me, no mixed potencies, and for about 2 weeks on them, I'm amazed on the deep effect they have in my whole body. Then they start to loose potency by the 3rd week, and I have to be ART re-tested, etc.

This doctor is a classic homeopath doctor by formation. But he uses ART to his patients as another tool. He's the one using LM potencies.

In the last time I saw him, he chose two homeopathic substances that he had never used in any of his patients before, because they tested good in ART and 'corresponded' to my problem, through literature.

He's seeing so many patients, he can't accept many more (he opens from time to time though), but he's certainly seems to be getting results with other people than me.

I wonder if my classic homoepath were a lyme specialist, what treatments was he going to prescribe me... But I wouldn't abandon this ART-mixed homeopathic treatment I'm doing, as it's very powerful. When no herb/ cleanser/ massage helped anymore, only this ART based homeopathy helped. It's truly amazing.

Like when we find the rigth substance + potency in classic homeopathy, and we feel improvement from inside, it's as wonderful as this!

So I'm quite open minded to new approaches! Even though they are not yet much proven!

My classic homeopath doctor wouldn't believe what I've been taking in homeopathy either !! [Big Grin]

Selma

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Tracy - I have to take a multifaceted approach to this disease as well. I couldn't get a resolution with classical homeopathy only. My experience was similar to Selma's in that we experienced significant improvement early on, but then plateaued, so to speak. Perhaps if we stayed with it and/or switched homeopaths, we would have seen better results. I admittedly don't have a lot of patience when it comes to lyme. Using different means has allowed the healing process to continue, uninterrupted, for the most part.

I have enormous respect for classical homeopathy in and of itself, and because it has provided the foundation upon which many other useful therapies have sprung. Holistic health by its' definition encompasses or should encompass the whole of experience. All may be considered -- pharmaceutical, herbal, classical and modern homeopathy, etc.

Also, there is the individual factor!! What works for one person, may not work for another. I used to be very negative towards NAET, and I still would not recommend it for lyme per se, but I see real improvement for my daughter. Until more is known, I think it is important how we report our experiences and not necessarily assume that our positive or negative experiences apply to all.

That is why, as always, I will continue to watch your posts with great interest, and not just to see your progress, but for the rich information and subsequent discussions they provide.

Claire

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Selma, you write:

"Then I was seeing another doctor in between who does ART too, but he uses MAINLY homeopathy to treat lyme (he only takes lyme patients). He combined the yin theory of dr. K, using ART to see which substance to balance each of our organs, and man, that has been the MOST amazing experience I have been having with homeopathy in the last year.

It acts like a thunder, so strong it hits. The effect is amazing. It's purely homeopathy, what he gives me, no mixed potencies, and for about 2 weeks on them, I'm amazed on the deep effect they have in my whole body. Then they start to loose potency by the 3rd week, and I have to be ART re-tested, etc.

This doctor is a classic homeopath doctor by formation. But he uses ART to his patients as another tool. He's the one using LM potencies."

This is interesting because it reminds me of the process I've just begun.

He uses muscle testing, ie ART--he uses the feet while you are lying down because he believes that is the purest way (he thinks practitioners and patients can influence, for instance, the arm, especially if they're both watching it). He uses very high potencies. They are mainly tissues sarcodes though he also has nosodes and antibiotics in homeopathic dilutions (to detox you) etc. He is convinced the high potency sarcodes help the organs shed toxins and metals on their own.

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Gigi - I'll get around to learning more about some of the new, innovative therapies eventually. I just need a little time to better understand the therapy I'm already on. Besides that, at this point, there is little benefit in learning much about a therapy that I have no access to. I have to put my energy where it will do the most good for me. And if I knew as much as Samuel Hahnemann, I would take a peek at LED, too. [Big Grin]

The posts here are one of the reasons that I appreciate so many of the people on this board. You give me real-life, first-person accounts of your past experiences with different therapies, which is really invaluable.

I know how things are supposed to work, but that's only half the story. I also need to learn as much as I can about the various techniques used when things go haywire. And with diseases like Lyme, there's so much that can happen during treatment. In fact, I would say that it is a matter of `when' they will happen, not `if' they will happen.

Selma, I AM a believer in ART, even though I have no experience with it. I've read enough here to convince me that ART is a powerful tool. Kinesiology (muscle testing), VEGA-type machines, and other body-feedback systems hold promise, depending on the practitioner.

I'm a little envious of you Selma, Gigi, Claire, and Oxygenbabe - you all have access to some truly interesting therapies and practitioners. It would appear that most of these are definite `giant steps in the right direction'. I look forward to hearing more experiences!

All too often I hear stories that classical homeopathy was not enough to eradicate Lyme or some other complicated disease. In fact, most of the leading homeopaths are concerned about this because it means that SOMETHING is not being taught or understood by new homeopaths (and old ones, too). And one of the key elements here seems to be BLOCKAGES. Truly, even many experienced homeopaths do not know how to deal with these, and as we can all attest, blockages are going to part of the treatment picture with Lyme.

And I'll tell you something else: The ignorance about Lyme Disease in the homeopathic community can be truly astonishing.

I recently had a discussion with an experienced and `learned' homeopath from the U.K. He stated flatly that ``Lyme Disease is not something which is even universally accepted as having a basis in contagion...''!!! I told him that he was misinformed and that the ``contagion'' that causes Lyme Disease is available from many labs as a homeopathic nosode. He said that he has seen no evidence of this, and that ``I have spoken to a few Homoeopathic friends over the last week or so, and as far as 'THEY' are aware, the only 'Lyme Nosodes' available are those taken from the patients own blood.'' (!!!) [bonk]

When I referred him to his own Health Protection Agency in the U.K. (sort of like our CDC), and showed him two homeopathic labs in the U.K. that carried the Borrelia b. nosode (plus a couple of other references), he never posted again.

So clearly, no matter what treatment protocol you choose, the practitioner is a crucial element in recovery. (I shudder to think of the Lyme patients who encounter someone like this homeopath or his ``homeopathic friends''. Eeek.)

I consider most of you guys as `pioneers' - venturing out into new territory - willing to take some risks with the hope of great rewards. And I believe that for the most part, your hope is well-grounded in evidence. I love the fact that you are all willing to do this because there are many who would not. [Smile]

I'm sort of stuck here with what I have, and yet that sounds like I am unhappy with my treatment. I'm not. In fact, I'm incredibly grateful for what I have found. And thanks to feedback from good folks on this board, I am now more aware of what to watch for and prepare myself for the inevitable zigs and zags, stops and starts, and inevitable `plateau' where nothing seems to be happening.

Keep up the good work, all of you. [kiss]

Tracy

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I just ran across this when reading over on Luc De Shepper's forum. Dr. Luc is a homeopath I generally have a great deal of respect for. He is also an M.D. and an ITCM doctor (Traditional Chinese Medicine) and has some kind of degree in Psychology.

What he says in this excerpt reinforces what I've learned and posted here in this thread and elsewhere:

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.....Also keep in mind that a nosode never will cure but clears the way for the VF [Vital Force] to throw more symptoms up to prescribe the indicated remedy. When you tell me that besides this nosode, you prescribe a sycotic drain combo (what is that?) and Staph another alarm bell goes on.

You imitate French homeopaths who love to give drainage remedies + the similimum [the most similar remedy corresponding to a case]. You should know that the simillimum does all the drainage the patient needs. Using a combo (a dirty word in homeopathy and linked to allopathy) will make your further management decisions more complex. If the patient improves (cure or suppression) what did what?.....

Now, please don't interpret this to mean that I think all combos are bad or that the use of homeopathy in conjunction with other therapies in new ways is something to avoid. As I've stated before, I encourage everyone to follow ANY path to wellness that they find. I hope I've made that clear elsewhere.

My only point is that when done right, classical homeopathy is all that is needed. And for those like me who have few or no other options available, this should be of some comfort, as well as be of interest

Tracy

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Hi everybody, sorry for delay in answering, I've been out of the world these last days, too many things happened, dental infection (serious), another tick bite...

OXYGENBABE: I never used these tissues sarcodes. It looks interesting. What my ART doctor uses are normal classic homoepathy symtpom-based substances. He tests them then through ART, and don't ask me how, he gets what he thinks I need to balance my organs (no tissues sarcodes so far...).

Hope you'll come here later to tell your experience!

TRACY, I'm glad you keep thinking! My classic homeopath is not a believer on over the counter homeopathy, but he believes on nosodes (I mean,he prescribes nosodes). Quite like you then.

I'm going to see my ART doctor next Monday. I need fast cleansing, as I must be totally acidic after this heavy dental infection. Lymph nodes are awfully congested, I'm doing manual lymph drainage the whole day...

I can swear you that these mixed homeopathic substances (about 5-6 different ones each time, I take them leaving about 2-3 minutes interval 1x or 2x day), they do a profound change in my 'system' (like rebooting it)! I tap (MFT) my body for better intake, I feel it works.

The effect is very strong in the beginning, then it looses effectiveness in the following weeks. But maybe it's just me?? I don't know if my body gets confused, I would have to try just one at a time to see, but I always felt it was amazingly effective (for the first weeks).

You know, now that I did my tick broth homeopathic remedy you recommended (with the tick that bit me last Saturday), I keep wondering, if there's something there in this water at 30C dilution?

Homeopathy does look unbelieavable in itself! I'm sure there are a lot more mysteries around it to be disclosed!

Another question of different nature from this thread: can I keep the tick homeopathic remedy in the refrigerator?? Or better not? I'm afraid it won't keep for so long (I intend to take it for about 2 1/2 months, diminish the frequency of course). Or maybe I could just increase the potency and use clean water again?

Thanks again,
Selma

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Selma, try getting rose geranium essential oil. Mix it half and half with water in a spray bottle and spritz it on your clothes, skin etc, when in a tick infested area. Can also douse a bandanna and tie that gently around your neck.

Don't get bit by more ticks!

I saw my doctor again today and have a new batch of remedies. Since I stopped halfway through last time because I was so unprepared for the flu-like potency, he said, to wit, "This time you must follow the directions. We are letting the tigers out of the cage and we want to chase them out entirely. You opened the cage and then said, Let me take a break, and you tigers can hang around. If you do that, they will eat you!" Funny. Basically he is removing mercury and toxins from a certain place (such as, this time, supposedly my large intestine) but he is also giving sarcodes for vulnerable organs where it could redeposit.

I am not looking forward to it as it is not fun. Strangely, though. He asked about my sleep. I had taken four naps (crash out in never never land like a bad flu) during the remedies. Last night I had a headache and I also took a nap. It was hard to believe I could take a nap. We'll see. Naps are very elusive since acquiring lyme.

Also, odd, but a few weeks ago I swallowed a fishbone while eating snapper and it scratched my throat. It hurt quite a bit for a few days. And off and on since then it's been irritating though sometimes not at all. I had gone to the ENT but there wasn't much to do. Last night after I woke up after my nap, I thought, "staphysagria." I went to google it as a homeopathic remedy and it turns out to be for lacerations, coughing, tickle in the larynx etc. So I asked my doc if he had it and could he test me. He did and gave me 6c and 30c. If 6c doesn't work i'm to try 30c in a few days.

Life is getting very strange. Its quite possible I read about this remedy somewhere but I think its quite unlikely I knew it was for lacerations, like a fishbone scratching your esophagus. And to pop into my head like that. And to turn out to likely be a correct remedy.

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Tracy -- singulars, combination homeopathics, isopathics, they have all helped at different times along the way.

Selma -- Sorry to hear you were bitten again, also. Please keep us posted.

Who would have ever thought a group of women would be riveted by a tick soup recipe?

Claire [Smile]

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O-babe, I was thinking about your experience with the fish bone. It does look you have either a very good memory or a very good intuition! [Big Grin] Or both! Hope the remedy is working.

You are very right concerning new tick bites. This new infection was powerful too. Fortunately, I think I could erradicate the local source (skin) around the tick bite as the bite practically disappeared. But there were pathogens inside my blood for sure.

I'm having numbness in left arm and left leg. [Frown] I'm also on drenching night sweats again for quite a few days.... Oh oh, hoping this is not babesia back.

I'm still not much worried, but I may become after my visit tomorrow to the doctor....

Thanks Claire for your concern!

Selma

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Gee, somehow I missed these more recent posts.....! (?)

Selma, I think I answered your refrigerator question in a PM or in another post somewhere.....

If you want to raise the potency of the existing Tick Remedy that you made, you simply ``plus'' your bottle. Meaning that you dump out 99% of the ORIGINAL amount you started with, then add back new water to that same level. You just raised the potency 1 degree, or from a 12C to a 13C. (I recommend saving a bit of the original remedy - such as the 12C - just in case you make a mistake or drop the whole bottle or something. Then you can at least start back with the 12C. Hey, stuff happens, believe me.)

Another tip: Never talk on the phone while making a remedy. I tried that once. I had to start over because I dumped out the wrong bottle of stuff. [cussing]

Oxygenbabe, I saw someone post about the Rose Geranium oil as a tick repellant over on a homeopathy thread so I think you must be on to something with that.

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Since I stopped halfway through last time.... he [practitioner] said, to wit, "This time you must follow the directions. We are letting the tigers out of the cage...... You opened the cage and then said, Let me take a break, and your tigers can hang around.
To some degree, this is true even in more traditional homeopathic approaches.

Very interesting story about the Staphysagria and the fish bone.......!

Good one, Claire -
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Who would have ever thought a group of women would be riveted by a tick soup recipe?

Isn't this sort of like `sharing recipes', though? [Big Grin]

Selma, I think you are doing nearly everything you can to avoid reinfection. Well, certainly putting forth more effort than most people would, that's for certain. I think you should be very proud of that.

Tracy [Smile]

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Tracy, no, not very proud... I'm having more babesia symtpoms. Fatigue is finally coming slowly, but increasing, even my brain seems to start to be forgetful again.

Today I was about to ask about aurum arsenicosum C200 in a pharmacy, then just got a blank... Only after hours, the name popped up again (and it's a name I should remember by now....).

I spent quite some time with headache too (also babesia, according to ART) and I hate night sweats after feeling chilly every night...

My doctor didn't give me a proper babesia treatment (he's thinking the doxy approach would do it), but I'm skeptical, as I tested good for artemisinin.

Hubby tested me again tonight, both PC-Noni and artemisinin tested positive, so I'm going for that if I continue having night sweats tonight.

I already start to feel my ears, just hoping not to have tinnitus back again... It's amazing how babs knocks one down.

I will do what you suggest (that's my idea in the begining, to increase one potency). And I know what you mean by being interrupted... I'm not very sure my tick broth is 30C or AROUND 30C to tell you the truth, because I kept forgetting to either write down or I wrote it twice (?). [Big Grin]

My dentist will do a homeopathic tooth broth with my canal roots too, with the teeth he'll be pulling off. [Wink] He will inject the liquid in me in the day I take my teeth off, and give the rest for me, to ingest after.

At least, I'm not alone on these homeopathic recipies!

Selma

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Selma I hope you write to Peter Alex and get to see him. I like my homeopath who is very unusual but if I were in Europe I'd definitely go to Peter Alex. That way you can shift your entire terrain and not be vulnerable anymore.
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Oxygenbabe, I still didn't buy the book, so I didn't contact Alex...

I'm much better today. Yesterday I just couldn't stand these headaches and decided to go on 200mg artemisinin. So I'm on 400 mg a day. My night was better, I got a few 'explosions' in my head, dizziness, but the overall feeling was better. Yes, that was babesia.

Today I had an almost normal day, again with energy, just light headache still... But I think I got quite a few of them.

Thank you all,
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Selma, you are our official 'Resident Lab Rat' at the moment. [Big Grin] Sorry you are in that position, but I appreciate the feedback you are givng us regarding your preventative treatments.

Maybe for future updates, you could start a new topic or find Luvs2ride's old thread.... since this thread is about homeopathy and heavy metals, I'm afraid not many will see your posts.

Tracy

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Selma, Peter Alex is in Wildschuetz, Germany. Did you say that is a long way from you?

He's also a veterinarian, so maybe he'd have some new ideas for your poor cat!

Gigi would be (well, might be ) so proud of me.... I actually read an article on Laser Energetic Detoxification theory that was in an old homeopathic journal issue....

It had so many $300 words in it that I was bankrupt by the end of the second paragraph. [dizzy]

I'm hoping that LED will be discussed in a later issue of this homeopathic journal.... they are currently publishing a number of articles on the more innovative therapies that implement homeopathic remedies - totally 'non-classical' stuff. And I think it's a great idea.... homeopaths will get a better idea of what is out there in the entire homeopathic community, not just in their small realm of practice.

Tracy

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Truthfinder, would love to read that article. Can you post it or mail me a copy? How old is the article - years or months?

Effective Laser Energetic Detoxification has been done for about 6-7 years, but has been refined, updated, during the last 3 years. More is learned every day.

It works pretty darn good as it's practiced and taught at the moment. The LED procedure developed by Dr. Lee Cowden was well explained in Explore magazine Volume 15, Number 6, 2006.

Take care.

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Gigi, I was mistaken.... I don't know why I said LED ......this was on the order of biophotonics, but it never really got into any treatment applications......The actual name of the article is below plus the link. It appeared in the December 2006 online Hpathy journal but there is no actual date on the article:

Let me know if this is even related to what you have posted about. Like I said, I got totally lost in the article.


Homeopathy and Biophotonics (II)

THE ``VITAL FORCE''

EXPLANATORY CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE "BIOLOGICAL LASERS'' THEORY

-- Prof. Dr. Traian D. Stanciulescu

http://www.hpathy.com/research/stanciulescu-biophotonic-explanations3.asp

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Tracy, yes LED works on this basis. In LED, information is carried into the cells of the body via photons (light; using a laser) very similar to the biophotons that are produced by each human cell.

The German Fritz-Albert Popp, PhD (mentioned in the link you posted, Tracy) and others have proven that the biophotons produced by human cells are responsible for information transfer between cells and tissues that then regulates cell growth, cell differentiation and biochemical activities, such as cellular detoxification.

The "information" is represented by certain homeopathic substances. Light and homeopathics (frequencies) - that's all.

Take care.

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Thanks, Gigi. What is needed is an article about how to apply the new techniques based on these theories/ideas. (Apparently Part 1 of the article was published in the journal a month or two prior to the one I read, but I didn't realize that.)

Gigi, if you know any practitioners who might wish to submit an article to the Hpathy journal regarding LED therapy, please contact them. Now is the time, when the journal is `opening its doors' and letting some of these newer ideas be shared. The circulation is up to 16,500 and most of those are practitioners.

And the same goes for any good ART practitioners - I would love to see an article in the journal about using ART with homeopathy!

As I said before, the Hpathy online journal has been dedicating part of its presentation to some of the ``non-classical'' homeopathic therapies, and/or methods of case-taking and remedy determination.

For instance, December 2006 we see ``Finding the Simillimum [indicated remedy] Using Facial Analysis'' (and a similar article in the March 2007 journal by the same author - quite interesting); January 2007 we see ``Fingernails and What They Reveal''; in the April 2007 journal we have ``Using the Second Simillimum for Treating Chronic Diseases'' by Peter Chappell (his remedies are based on disease - not symptoms - and he isn't saying WHAT goes into his remedies), and also ``Homeopathy and Radiaesthesia'' by Gina Tyler (interesting history on this, by the way, for treating crops without using pesticides......);

....... this month in the journal we have articles on Homeopathy and Pendulums and Homeopathy & VEGA machines.... (haven't read any of these yet)........ Here's a link to an index of the monthly homeopathic online journals and what's inside each journal.

http://www.hpathy.com/ezine/

I hope this is a good indication of perhaps some `accommodation' on the part of classical homeopaths, at least a collective open mind to the possibility of other worthwhile applications of homeopathy, case-taking, or remedy selection that previously were condemned without much thought or investigation.

Tracy

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Thanks for all your wisdom, Tracy.
I feel dejected as I can't start my next batch of remedies until June 7 or June 8.
They are so strong, flu in a bottle, and I had a job interview for an at-home 1 day a week editing gig, last Monday, then they called me back on Tuesday, another interview, hired me, then they want me to have lunch with the publisher on June 7. And I have my yearly lunch with my book editor on June 4. I can't be taking these remedies and going to lunch--I will be too out of it. And my prescriptions for my sarcodes this next batch will take 2 weeks In addition my doc is in Europe giving a course. I feel as if I have lost the gains (this is diff. than classical homeopathy) I made. You are supposed to go every 3 weeks or so, get re-tested an dget new remedies. You could wait a week in between but not 3-4 as I'm having to do now. It is really hard to navigate work commitments and wanting to just lay back and do these remedies. In a sense I have not really 'begun' treatment therefore because I interrupted it initially, and now these other commitments came swimming in.

But I will say it's gotten me very interested in homeopathy. I was sitting there yesterday puzzling over how one person could take months and years of high dose multiple antibiotics and antimalarials and get 'well'; and another person could do homeopathy. It stretches my brain to even think the two routes are both valid.

There was a very interesting anecdote on the FCT board where a patient did the FCT sarcodes for a while, improved, but had a persistent urethritis. They tested classical remedies on him, and the body 'picked' one, and that cleared up the urethritis. So these methods can be combined.

I tried to read that article you cited but it is confusingly technical or badly written or something. It is impossible for me to follow. Perhaps English is not his native language, or his own ideas are not that clear. Good science is usually simple to understand! [Smile]

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Hey, 02babe - it never fails. Just when you start on a commitment to something, there will be one thing or another that comes up to interfere with the plan. Murphy's Law, I guess. It happens with strictly classical homeopathic treatment, too. [cussing]

Why do you think you have lost the gains you have made - something physical telling you this or because of the time/interruption issue?

Even if your practitioner determines that you have to start over again, it still isn't the end of the world. And perhaps because of previous treatment, your reactions will be less than before (?)

I've often tried to understand the `healing' differences between allopathic and homeopathic medicine - both appear to work in many cases - when the approaches are so different.

The current analogy in my mind is perhaps similar to methods of dealing with radical Muslim extremists, whose only purpose in life seems to be to kill everything out there that isn't `them'. They are bent on death and destruction in any form.

The allopathic way of eliminating the problem (abx and anti-malarials) is to seek them out wherever they hide and kill them outright.

The homeopathic way of dealing with the problem is to call a gathering of the radicals, convince them to lay down their weapons of destruction, send them all to Anger Management classes, and teach them the important truths behind Islam, which are peace, harmony and love of God. Hence, no more destruction. [Big Grin]

Too bad we can't do that with real human beings. [Smile]

As you may recall from Peter Alex's book, some of his Lyme patients got re-tested for Lyme after they were well from their homeopathic treatment. In all cases but one, their titers dropped to `normal'. What this shows is that the immune system was no longer mounting an offense against the enemy. Does this mean that the bugs were dead? Not necessarily. Because we can only assume that the tests used were for antibodies, not the actual bugs. So, we don't really know what happens to the bugs during homeopathic treatment.

The article I posted was difficult for me, too. Perhaps Part 1 would have been more `basic' (I haven't checked it out).
http://www.hpathy.com/research/stanciulescu-biophotonic-explanations.asp

There are more `scientific research' articles about homeopathy here:
http://www.hpathy.com/research/

The anecdote you cited from the FTC board does not surprise me - all the layers of disease have to be dealt with in some form or another.

You know, I'm drawing a complete blank here..... what the heck does FTC stand for? Sheesh, all these anachronisms - I can't keep them all straight.

Whatever FTC stands for, this would be another great emerging homeopathic therapy I would love to see written about in the Hpathy online journal. So, if your practitioner has a handy explanatory article he would like to submit the Journal, please encourage him to do so!

Of course, I have no influence on what gets published in the Journal, but nothing will get published if no one submits any information. [Smile]

Tracy

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