randibear
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what is the best otc yeast treatment if your doc won't give you diflucan or nystatin?
i went to the primary (my last visit) and i told him about the burning mouth, lots of white goop which i spit out in the morning, red fingers, etc. he just ignored me when i asked about yeast and never did address my question.
i did the spit test in the glass -- lots and lots of stringy stuff. how accurate is that test anyway?
yep, am taking theralac but does it TREAT yeast and eliminate it?
yep, trying diet.
but what can you buy at the store that will help? there's lots of stuff advertised candex, candigone, etc, but i don't know which one works.
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5dana8
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HI Randi
Diet is key. The best way to prevent yeast is no sugar in any form & very low carbs. If you happen to get yeast problems anyway the following is what I have tried:
In the natural realm Tee Tree Oil for thrush can help.
DONOT swallow any of it. Just brush your tongue & mouth area with it ~swish it around & then rinsh rinsh rinsh...a little goes a long way.
Be careful of the "swish & Swallow nystatin rinse" ... I believe they contain sugar, which to me sounds counter productive.
for more systemic yeast I have tried diflucan & sporanox. Sporanox is a broader spectrum anti-fungal & more heavy duty anti-fungal. You need you liver checked while on this. Same with diflucan if you are on it more than short time.
I have read some people have been helped with nizoral too. But for my personal lyme body, nizoral would not be my first choice.
Nystatin I have found is good for killing the yeast in my gut. Although when all heck breaks loose I fall back on the above mentioned anti-fungal.
Hope this helps Dana
RE: Theralac ~ for me theralac is a good preventive, adding more good flora. But isn't so good for me when I get full blown yeast.
ppss: Be careful on the anti-fungal for yeast die off's. The herx's for me can be pretty intense
none of the baove is medical advise...just my 2 cents. make sure to talk over everything first with your LLMD
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lymeHerx001
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I have terrible herxes from yeast die off and currentlly I am dealing with this. Its been very tough. When I take Nystatin my feet begin to burn and I have to lay down. I then pass out and have terrible night terrors and wake up 2 hours later not knowing where I am and feeling suicidal.
So watch out!
Im doing mega doses of probiotics now which I actually herx from but not as bad. Other things that I have herxed from are.
Caprylic acid Pau'd'arco bark GSE
I take psyllium, olive oil and senna daily to try and srub the crap out.
The yeast is NO JOKE
Doc wants me to do stool and parisite test which means I need to collect my stools for 3 days.
Problem is I have to be off probiotics this whole time. When I dont take probiotics, I dont poop.
There ya go. Good luck
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bejoy
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My favorite OYC for yeast is fresh garlic. Cheap, easy to find, and also kills lyme.
I swallow a whole clove or piece of a clove before meals twice a day.
Capsules are also good.
It is very systemic, and will even clear fungal skin infections.
Again, the herx is pretty intense.
It can cause the runs and feelings like you want to jump out of your skin, along with cravings for sugar and carbs.
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Sometimes upping my doses of probiotics helps me. On a normal basis I use Jarro Dophilus, 8 tablets a day - either 1 hour before or two hours after any antibiotic (when my yeast starts to flare, I go 1 hour before AND 2 hours after).
It doesn't always work, which is why I am on Diflucan, but that doesn't help you much. Wonder why your primary would ignore you like that, as yeast can be quite serious. (Nevermind, doctors ignore us, because we didn't go to med school.)
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Try to find another dr. or naturopath to help. Drs. are in denial about Candida in immunocompetent (all Lyme patients are immunocompetent) patient population. Some new studies came out about 3-4 years ago. But the medical community is notoriously S-L-O-W to adopt new ideas.
Check with your LLMD. He may prescribe 1 diflucan per day. You can load up on Diflucan for the first day and take more-check with LLMD and then go to a regular dose.
Sporanox, Diflucan, Nizoral (older drug), Terbinafine (Lamisil) & Vfend--big gun, are all script anti-fungals. You mentioned red fingers. I would think the Lamisil might be a very good choice. It is most commonly used for fungus of the nails and reaches very difficult locations that Diflucan and Sporanox don't. My dr. stopped prescirbing Sporanox because it almost trashed his own liver while on it.
Diflucan is often used in preemies and with no liver damage. it is very safe. But still get regular liver checks.
Liver checks are very important with Nizoral, Sporanox & Vfend. I'm not sure about Lamisil.
Natural Antifungals found online, in Healthfood Stores & some grocery stores: Shredded Coconut, Caproyl, Caprylic Acid, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Oil of Oregano--be careful.
You can also get a stool analysis done at Doctor's Data in Chicago, IL. Genova Diagnostics is another good lab for this test. One of the tests they will do along with the analysis is a "sensitivity test". If they can culture the yeast, this test will determine which substance, natural or script the yeast you have in you body is most susceptible. In other words, which one is best at killing the yeast.
Keep up with plenty of acidophilus. Also, Primal Defense has worked extremely well for me. I heard some don't like it, but I do. When Diflucan stopped working for me, Primal Defense did the trick. I was started taking 1-2 capsules per day gradually working up totaking 9-12 per day. I stayed at the 9-12 capsulets for one month and gradually tapered down to 3 per day.
Recently a friend told me about Candex. She said it works by digesting the yeast cell wall. Apparently there is no herxing because the enzymes gobble everything up and your body doesn't have to do the work. I haven't tried it personally. But, based on my friend's recommendation, I bought a bottle to give it a try.
This is not medical advice. I'm only sharing things I've experienced or heard about.
HTH, Kayda
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sixgoofykids
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Randi, a lot of your symptoms could be due to yeast if you have it that bad.
Diet is key. Especially be scrupulous about avoiding sugar. You would do well to avoid all starchy carbs, too. Eat meat, eggs and veggies. Also avoid yeast and moldy foods (cheese, mushrooms, etc.)
You WILL feel bad as you start the die-off. If you feel you need to ease the rate of die-off, I would eat a piece of fruit rather than a starchy carb or sugar. Sugar and carb cravings will be bad.
Eat lots of coconut oil.
VSL#3 is a stronger probiotic than Theralac. For my dysbiosis I take VSL#3 AND Theralac.;
Drink lots of water.
Caprylic Acid and garlic are good.
Good luck with it. Maybe some of your GI issues are due to the yeast.
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Tosho, I'm not sure, but it's probably best to take it away from antibiotics just to make sure. Thanks for the note.
Kayda
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Vermont_Lymie
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Daily freeze-dried garlic capsules after dinner are amazingly effective in keeping yeast at bay for me, along with eating a bit of coconut oil every day.
If you can stick to the yeast-free diet, and stay away from sugars and carbs while using garlic and coconut oil regularly, that could do it. I also use Pau D'arco tea sometimes. Hope that helps!
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bejoy
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Artemicin is a very good yeast killer. I think I remember that you had a bad reaction to a combination with artemicin. Possibly a massive candida die-off.
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I have had great luck with Cumanda. You have to buy it online, unless your doctor carries it. You buy it from www.nutramedix.com
If you do try cumanda, start with just one drop, and build up. It can cause a major herx, especially because it also goes after the Lyme.
My doctor has me take 20 drops twice a day. But as I said, I started with 1 drop, and each time increased by 1 drop.
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"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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Geneal
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I've taken Candida Clear and had some good results with that.
I thought that garlic can lower your blood pressure.
I may be wrong though.
Personally, I do think I would have made it without diflucan.
Many of the antibiotics I've been on including rifampin,
Just lead to massive overgrowth of yeast. That given a really good diet.
Hugs,
Geneal
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