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h8lyme
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I have been doing a lot of research on mycoplasma after reading some of the symptoms. I worked closely with a Gulf War Vet, and remember him having some resp issues and not feeling well. He was also telling me about how he never felt he had any energy.

After doing the research, I feel that I may have mycoplasma or "Gulf War Syndrome".

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/gwv_ill.htm

What do you guys think?

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well,

gulf war syndroms= mycoplasmas

so, if you have mycoplasmas, then you have gulf war syndrome, and vice versa... [Smile]

but, as you know, the testing is NOT difinitive, so, if you are worried about the possability of myco being a part of your illness, id ask your llmd to give you a trial run of meds designed to hit myco.

i think cipro is one of them? im not sure, there are other on here more well versed with myco.

i DO know tho, that dr b has mentioned many times that his "troublesome" patients or patients that have have relapsing or unresolved symptoms are mostly MYCOPLASMA sero positive [Smile]

so, its definitley worth looking into.

also, an alternative route could be an herbal abx.

rain tree has a formula, i think its called myco complex or something similar to that, you can find it on the web.

good luck, happy holidays

humbly

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h8lyme
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thanks for the input derek.

I am just grasping at straws as to why I am not getting better. Its been 6 months on abx and I feel a little better, but not a whole lot better.

Gotta keep searching for something that will make me better.

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I think many of us have more than just borrelia. Babesia, bartonella, erlichia and many other tick borne illness

and there are many other chronic infections, viruses like epstein barr, cytomegalovirus, herpes, human herpes 6 (HHV6) hepatitis C

my opinion? I think its like AIDS, our immune systems are just bombarded with all these infections and break down.

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Ive wondered about it. My ex fiance was in the gulf war, and I wasn't sick, until I was with him for about 15 months.

Oddly enough, I didnt have the lyme rash- HE DID, and ALOT of them.

By the way, he is sick now. He has all the symptoms I had originally and has fallen off the face of the planet, even though I tried to help him.

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There are tests for mycoplasmas.

You can get tested & find out if that is an issue before you start taking a bunch of drugs, blindly.

There are also tests for other chronic infections, viruses like epstein barr, cytomegalovirus, herpes, human herpes 6 (HHV6) hepatitis C, etc.

Antibiotics are powerful drugs.

I don't think it's a good idea to just take them not knowing what is really wrong.

Many people used to do that in the gay community for sexually transmitted diseases.

They took abx prophylactically.

It probably makes matters worse in the long run in regards to creating drug resistant illnesses.

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There are reports of people getting sick from simply being around the *clothes* of Gulf War vets, so anyone who has had close contact with a vet and is sick should definitely get it checked out (lots of reports of pets of vets being sick as well). Look up Garth Nicolson -- www.immed.org
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Another factor in the Gulf War and the Iraq war is DEPLETED URANIUM. The munitions used have depleted uranium warheads, and the uranium vaporizes at the velocity of the bullets, bombs, etc. The vapor condenses quickly and is breathed in as dust particles. The area is contaminated with the equivalent of hundreds of H-bombs due to the use of depleted uranium in practically all bullets, etc. These are the "armor-piercing" bullets and "bunker-buster" bombs.

Many vets, especially from Iraq and also the first Gulf War actually have URANIUM POISIONING.

This can be transmitted in semen, and can cause reproductive tract problems in their sexual partners and birth defects in their kids.

You can look this up on the net--it was covered in projectcesored a couple of years back. Leuren Moret wrote several articles about this, and was actively lobbying to expose this.

I have done work on legislation regarding veterans here in California, and had to research this situation, as the usual solution is to put them on destructive psychiatric drugs if they have any "unusual" problems. Leuren Moret reveals that MDs were told to label the vets with psych problems to prevent anyone looking into this situation.

Not pretty at all.

Cass A

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Nicolson and MDL Labs have found that 60% of Lyme patients also have mycoplasmas...the most common one being mycoplasma fermentens incognitus. It is thought by some to be genetically engineered by the Army.

They do have a patent for it. Doxy seems to work well for this mycoplasma despite Dr. Donta's Gulf War/mycoplasma study which says doxy does not work. Nicolson would heartily disagree with that finding.

For 8 years I thought I had CFS but when the news first came out about Gulf war Illness, it listed the symptoms on TV. My jaw dropped and I said...I have Gulf war Illness!! There is some connection. Some have thought that there may be a closer relation between the mycoplasma and borrelia.

One mycoplasma expert (Harold Clark) said to me that it is possible that mycoplasma fermentens could be another form of Bb but then Nicolson said no. It's also possible that they both have genes from say brucelloisis, inserted into each of them. Some speculate that CFS , lyme , etc , are forms or parts of the HIV problem.

I met a new friend who is a molecular biologist and has become very ill from working with stem cells and making missles to put into these genetic packages . These missles can be used for good or bad. They can be used for making the stem cells sick....for the purpose of finding cures or they can be used for biowarfare.

This person is speaking out to the fact that the stem cell/ genetic research is mostly unregulated.

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I believe it's the other way around. They have been infected by the same toxins that we have.
Whether it is vaccine induced? Low lying in them prior to this event? Stress induced? Many of us seem to have had a major stress in life set off something laying low before?

Aren't they sometimes given low dosages of abx while at war?

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sparkle and others-

imho, there are NO accurate tests for the above listed infections. either TBD OR viruses such as EBV or HHV-6, what have you.

the problem is with igg and igm testing.

-igm recent reactivated

-igg prior infection

the problem arises when you have neither, and still are symptomatic. OR, you are igg positive (which means the dr thinks you HAD prior antibodies but no longer do because your body won that little battle, which, can be false)
if your body is in a state of chronic infection, you can test false negatively, and sometimes positively, either igg or igm.

i do agree that we should not just "blindly" treat any disease we "might" think we have.
but, there are some of us, a lot of us, without much indicitive testing AND tons of unresolves symptoms. until more accurate testing becomes readily available (and by readily i do NOT mean 1-2 grand through igenex [Smile] some patients are forced to systematically treat any or all suspected diseases they may suspect themselves affclicted with until improvement is seen.

this is why most llmds will START people on 90 days of rocephin, and then wait for patient response. if the patient does not respond, then obviously there are other factors, such as other TBDs or viruses that are inhibiting the immune system from functioning at an acceptable rate.

thanks for listening. the point is get out there, and get your treatment. if one dr will not treat you w/o a "positive" test (which i think we all agree is not possible) then find a different dr who will.

there are a few renegade lyme drs left, treating on an as needed patient basis, and they are saving lives.

tests be damned, the medical system be damned, we need to get well.

best of love and hope to you all, merry christmas!

humbly,

derek

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=061007

Check out 2nd article posted also on this thread

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Well, I only did/ do energetic testing for co-infections as nothing anyway came up in my first bite (except for confirmed borrelia infection).

I didn't show mycoplasma in my first infection, but my daughter showed it after tick bite here in Switzerland (ART tested). She got clearly sick after first day I found the infected tick on her last year.

This year, I got reinfected. I had arthritic pain back in about 48 hours after tick bite (very light, but clear). Night sweats started day 2, too (babesia). The tick stayed attached for about 9 hours.

I'm still finding the infections this single tick infected me... So far, it infected me with:

- borrelia (I'm pretty sure, due to arthritis)
- bartonella (pretty sure, due to bart flares)
- babesia (very sure, due to daily night sweats and all other babs symptoms)
- mycoplasma (light lung symptoms)
- ehrlichia (?)
- rickettsia (heart symptoms)
- GI candida (my guess, as I got that immediately after tick bite and didn't have it before; as I don't take antibiotics, that's my only explanation, that the tick infected me with it).

OK, this was only ART tested, but as I got symptoms from each of them and responded to treatment, I believe the tests were somehow accurate.

It looks UNBELIEVABLE!! One single bite and at least, 7 pathogens!! No wonder people that fall sick and don't improve. Each pathogen needs different treatments.

I also believe my cat got infected with mycoplasma. He's got chronic coughs since I know him, very small. He responded to MY mycoplasma treatment. His more-than-6-year-old chronic cough vanished in few months of treatment. It makes me wonder, really.

He got zillions of tick bites, but never presented any borrelia symptom (I guess, he's immune to it). But mycoplasma, as it's artificially produced, his body probably couln't fight it. More than 6 years of chronic cough attacks gone. It really makes me wonder.

Selma

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Clindamycin worked very well in treating my Lyme infection for six months. I looked it up and it turns out it also treats mycoplasma.
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http://www.layinstitute.org/flv/video.asp?vitem=Bio

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=061007

fixed the link to thread posted earlier

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My understanding is that ticks don't infect us with candida, per se -- candida lives in the body normally, but is kept in balance by the immune system, as well as by beneficial bacteria. When the immune system is compromised, it can take over.

For years, pre diagnosis, I got recurrent yeast infections -- doctors kept telling me I had either diabetes or HIV, because those depress the immune system. Turns out it was Lyme, though...

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Also, for the record -- most mycoplasma species do occur in nature.. it does appear that some of them (fermentans incognitus in particular) may have been modified, however....

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Minimonkey, I thought so too (about GI candida).

My doctor didn't say it came from the tick. But it was a coincidence both for me and daughter, we both got GI candida after getting bitten by ticks and before we had nothing. Our GI tract was working very well, both me and daughter. To get sudden GI symptoms is strange.

My daughter's MAIN symptoms were GI related problems, since day 1 after I took the tick off her head. Of course, it could be borrelia in the intestines too.

I remember some other people here in lymenet saying too, they thought they got GI candida after a tick bite. The conclusion it came from the tick bite was mine, not my doctor's.

How can I get GI candida a week after bite without being on abx?

With treatment, it went out very fast (different from other candida I had, specially on my skin). It shows to me it was a 'new' infection.

My little daughter never had any other Candida infection in her life, except after tick bite and 3 weeks of amoxy (it could be amoxy though, even though she was on probiotics and light anti-candida diet since starting point...).

Because of these things and what I read here in lymenet with other people, I start to 'suspect' some GI candida are inside ticks' tummies. But it's just a suspicion, of course.

Mycoplasma: both my doctor and I believe they're transmitted by ticks FOR SURE. He tests that consistently with his patients, and finds too many of them have it.

Maybe there are other vectors, but again, it was a big coincidence to have got this stuff immediately after tick bite (me and daughter). We both didn't have it chronic, the 'proof' is that it went out easily with initial treatment for both of us. So everything points that, yes, mycoplasma came with the same infected tick that infected us with borrelia and bartonella.

My cat, it took much longer, few months, to get healthier though, as his mycoplasma (I believe) was very spread. But his cough is gone now.

It's awful to have so many doubts about co-infections...

Selma

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quote:
It's awful to have so many doubts about co-infections...
I totally agree Selma! [confused]

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