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Topic: Is insomnia a symptom of lyme, co's or other??

gemofnj
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Just wondering why many lymies symptoms change from severe fatigue and needing many hours of sleep to the exact opposite: insomnia.

Is this change because the lyme is suppressed and co's immerge? What would cause this sudden switch?

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CherylSue
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Lyme Disease. I suspect those spirochetes are active at night. Lots of anxiety, too. Full moon, they love to activate.

IMO,
CherylSue

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bettyg
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wish i knew the answer too!!!

my nights/days have been screwed up for 2-3 years now; just awful. [cussing]

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tailz
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That's what happened to me. I went from sleeping entire weekends away and falling asleep after dinner to not being able to sleep more than maybe 2 hours at a shot - ever. Then it switched.

Now I wake up multiple times during the night and never reach deep stage sleep.

This morning I was dreaming and actually opened my eyes during the dream, looked at the clock, and realized I was dreaming.

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Hoosiers51
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I have heard it can be a symptom of Bartonella.

Though I'm sure it could be Lyme also. Good luck!

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bejoy
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Insomnia with lyme is often caused by high cortisol levels at night.

Cortisol can get high from your body working so hard to deal with the stress of fighting infection. Cortisol is supposed to be high in the morning and low at night, but with lymies, sometimes it gets switched around.

You can read up on adrenal fatigue to learn about which supplements help regulate the adrenals and cortisol levels.

Soy lecithin is supposed to be especially good for lowering cortisol levels. If you try it and it works well for you, please let us know.

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groovy2
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Hi All

personally I think Babs is the cause -
I have no proof of this tho -
but as my Babs symptoms lessen I am able to
sleep more hours aday -

I am up to a Whopping 5 hours a night
but I am starting to dream again and
feel much more rested--Jay--

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Angelica
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Co-infrections are a clinical diagnosis due to the unreliable testing.

I personally think it is a bart symptom.

This is a re post from Fuzzy Slippers that lists poor sleep as a bart symptom. I tend to agree with that statement.

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Bartonella/Babesia Symptom Questionnaire

Bartonellosis

Common symptoms of bartonellosis include:

___Fatigue (often with agitation, unlike Lyme disease, which is more exhaustion)

___Low grade fevers, especially morning and/or late afternoon, often associated with feelings of "coming down with the flu or a virus"

___Sweats, often morning or late afternoon (sometimes at night) - often described as "thick" or "sticky" in nature

___Headaches, especially frontal (often confused with sinus) or on top of head

___Eye symptoms including episodes of blurred vision, red eyes, dry eyes

___Ringing in the ears (tinnitus) and sometimes hearing problems (decreased or even increased sensitivity - so-called hyperacusis)

___Sore throats (recurring)

___Swollen glands, especially neck and under arms

___Anxiety and worry attacks; others perceive as "very anxious"

___Episodes of confusion and disorientation that are usually transient (and very scary); often can be seizure-like in nature

___Poor sleep (especially difficulty falling asleep); poor sleep quality

___Joint pain and stiffness (often both Left and Right sides as opposed to Lyme which is often on one side only with pain and stiffness that changes locations)

___Muscle pains especially the calves; may be twitching and cramping also

___Foot pain, more in the morning involving the heels or soles of the feet (sometimes misdiagnosed as plantar fasciitis)

___Nerve irritation symptoms which can be described as burning, vibrating, numb, shooting, etc.

___Tremors and/or muscle twitching

___Heart palpitations and strange chest pains

___Episodes of breathlessness

___Strange rashes recurring on the body often, red stretch marks, and peculiar tender lumps and nodules along the sides of the legs or arms, spider veins

___Gastrointestinal symptoms, abdominal pain and acid reflux

___Shin bone pain and tenderness

Bartonella is a bacterium that causes illness, the most commonly known of which is a disease called "Cat Scratch Fever." Thousands of known cases of Bartonella occur in the U.S. each Year, with the vast majority of known cases due to bites from fleas that infest cats or infected dogs (may also occur directly from bites and scratches from infected dogs or cats). Bartonella can also be transmitted by ticks that transmit Lyme Disease. In fact, in a study published recently, deer ticks from New Jersey had a higher prevalence of Bartonella organisms than of Lyme organisms.

It is unclear whether the organism that we see transmitted along with Lyme disease is actually a Bartonella species (such as B. henselae or B. quintana) or is "Bartonella-Like Organism" (BLO) that is yet to be fully identified. While BLO has features similar to organisms in the Bartonella family, it also has features slimiar to the Mycoplasma and the Francisella (causes tularemia) families.

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Babesiosis

As with other co-infections, there is a lot of overlap of symptoms between Lyme disease and Babesiosis. An accumulation of the following signs and symptoms probably warrant testing and/or treatment of Babesiosis:

___Chills

___Fatigue and often excessive sleepiness

___High fever at onset of illness

___Night sweats that are often drenching and profuse

___Severe muscle pains, especially the large muscles of the legs (quads, buttocks, etc.)

___Neurological symptoms often described as "dizzy, tipsy, and spaciness," similar to a sensation of "floating" or "walking off the top of a mountain onto a cloud"

___Depression

___Episodes of breathlessness, "air hunger", and/or cough

___Decreased appetite and/or nausea

___Spleen and/or liver enlargement

___Abnormal labs (low white blood count, low platelet counts, mild elevation of liver enzymes, and elevated sed rate)

___Headaches (migraine-like, persistent, and especially involving the back of the head and upper neck areas)

___Joint pain (more common with Lyme and Bartonella)

___anxiety/panic (more common with Bartonella)

___Lymph gland swelling (more common with Bartonella and Lyme)

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tickbattler
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My husband had terrible insomnia and it took about 7 months of abx treatment, but it is gone. He still has some brain fog and headaches but it is slowly getting better.

I believe his insomnia was caused by his bartonella, but he also has babs and lyme.

tickbattler

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Vermont_Lymie
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Member # 9780

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It's a good question. My sleeping has become much better after treating lyme for over one year. Have not treated babs successfully yet, or bart fully, so it was probably the lyme in my case that caused insomnia.

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