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herbalfrog
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I have had difficulty during the last ten years to receive any direct instructions from an LLMD or MD for that matter in regards to a diet which would be benefial. I have been hospitalized twice now due to toxic overload, and again I was in the ER from 10PM till 5 AM to get stabilized.
I have been given diets which are low carb- but at the same time, I am being told to use Mangosteen or Nano juice and grapepeels for their detoxyfying properties.(which of course are high carb.

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Borreliosis diet is strictly protein diet, low in carbohydrates and low in lipids.
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Check out the 2005 guidelines

http://tinyurl.com/5md2e6

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I strongly disagree with the high protein/low carb diet, especially if you are trying to detoxify.

Antioxidants come from fruits and vegetables. Not meats. Inflammation is flamed by red meat.

Read the attached article about glutathione and its role as detoxifier in our bodies.

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST&ProdID=1181&qid=&zTYPE=2

Notice the paragraph of foods that increase the glutathione in your body.

Google glutathione.

Google health benefits of fruits and vegetables.

In addition to antioxidants, raw fruit and vegetables gives us enzymes needed to digest food and clean up the body. So try to eat something raw every day. Cooking kills the enzymes in your food as does irradiating vegetables. Irradiation has been approved by the FDA and is practiced by grocery stores. They tell us it is done to kill bacteria, but don't you believe it. It is done to kill enzymes in the raw fruits and vegetables so their shelflife will be extended substantially. Enzymes break down the food before we eat it just as it does after we eat it. An irradiated apple will sit on your counter for weeks without rotting. It will also sit in your gut without digesting and pass through unabsorbed.

Eat organic or local (local farmers are not irradiating nor do they use as heavily concentrated pesticides and they do not ship their produce long distances) as much as possible.

Eating a mostly vegetarian diet alone reduced my inflammation and thereby my pain by an estimated 50%.

IVs of glutathione put me back on the road to recovery. Currently, my doctor has me using glutathione suppositories which are working very well.

I continue to eat a diet of mostly fruits and veggies. I do eat meat but more like a side dish and not at every meal.

I avoid preservatives, dyes, etc as these contain excitotoxins which induce inflammation.

Try a vegan diet for two weeks (no animal products of any kind including butter, cheese and eggs). Two weeks is long enough to see significant benefits if this kind of diet is going to work for you. If you do not see improvement, then try high protein/low carb diet. Different body types do require different nutrition. But if you are fighting inflammation, a high meat diet is probably a bad idea.

I emphatically state that diet alone has had and continues to have significant impact on my health and state of wellness I enjoy today.

While I do have to work hard to stay healthy, I am very very well and enjoying all aspects of my life as I did before lyme struck.

Diet plays an important role in maintaining my health.

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Thank you all for your responses as all the information on this site as well as your input have thrown me a life-line! You are all so very special and I am so thankful and proud to be one of you.
I think knowledge is power and after ten years of Lyme's, Babs, Bart,etc.I am finally getting to the source of many of my problems.
Due to 3 trips to the ER in the last two weeks , where I was hydrated and given IV Tigan, Reglan and Zofran for extreme nausea, I was released and told to stay on clear liquids and follow Brats diet once I could tolerate the liquids. However, after I drank 2-3 glasses of tea, broth or water, I became nauseated and then could not hold down sips of water, resulting in another trip to the ER. I truly believe that it has to be toxic overload!
I just read the entry about Leaky Gut Syndrome, S&S,testing,diet recos,etc. and it all makes sense to me,( having diverticulitis, E.Pylori, Fibromyalgia, Inflammation, etc.) and since foods seem to interfere with my healing process, that I have to detox my body in order to be able to efficiently treat my Lyme's.
Having been raised in Europe and at that time, everything came fresh to your door and shopping trips to grocery stores were few and far between. We had wood floors, cleaned carpets and windows with vinegar and water, while the laundry got done outside the house. Since I immigrated to America at the age of 24, I have gotten used to convenience of packaged and canned foods, the antibiotic treated meats and poultry, as well as the many comforts of refrigeration, washer and dryer, TV, indoor carpeting, etc. We treated the lawn, the flowers; we put out a candle or air freshener and sprayed perfume on our delicate bodies. We bought a car, inhaled the fumes and loved the good life! This certainly is a far cry from where I came from. I don't say that this may be the only cause, but it certainly deserves consideration.
Once diagnosed with Lyme's, I was on a low carb/high protein/low fat diet, but somehow I kept running into trouble and my symptoms got worse.
I guess I am really going on a tantrum, but I wanted to share my thoughts and experiences, while expressing my appreciation for all you are giving to me.
Have a great day...I know I will have one!

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You need to be sure your blood sugar does not get too low - or too high. Many here need some complex carbs but still do better being gluten-free. It is impossible trying to starve lyme without starving our bodies of the naturals sugars required by our brain and other organs.


Most importantly, for me, though is avoiding gluten. Are you Gluten-free? Gluten alone can cause many serious problems.


If you do poorly on a low carb diet, excess porphyrins may be part of the problem. More about that in the link below. My hands are in terrible pain so I can't go into detail now.


Low carbs do not mean NO carbs if that poses a problem.

You might trying eat 1/2 cup or so of gluten-free carbs in the form of:

Quinoa (keen-wa) as that has a great amino acid composition.

Millet - but not too much as it can be starchy.

Wild rice - not a rice, but a grass, really.

Buckwheat - not wheat, but a legume

Brown and Black Rices - there are dozens of varieities (again,though a modest amount with LOTS of veggies can go a long way).

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I mention porphryia as, if this is a problem, glucose is essential.
Many people with porphryia have multiple chemicial sensitivities.

And, for those with genetic porphyria, meats are VERY hard to digest.

It is very complex, but explained at the link below.

good luck figuring out what works.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=071168

Topic: PORPHYRIA LINKS - Re: Cytochrome P-450 liver detox pathway


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this book has great suggestions for nutritional choices -


This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, has a lot of good information:


http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it and see customer reviews.


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Antioxidants - dark colored vegetables in fruits are fabulous to help detox.


Protein helps in another way - as protein helps our bodies make glutathione and that helps the liver detox . . . protein's amino acids help our brain, our hearts, our muscles, etc., etc., etc.,

Taurine, from muscle meats, is vital, too - or supplement.

While many say soy is bad, the jury is out on that. Tofu can be a great source of protein if it works for you.


Eggs, too, are great. If you eat read meat, grass-feed, free range sources are the best but still, not huge quantities.


Remember NUTS - great for protein and good fats.

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http://tinyurl.com/3fd9mz - - 20 pages


THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .


Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India


129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148. Review Article.


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Please let me clarify one statement in my post above.

I don't mean that diet change is all I have done to get well. I have done more than that including abx. What I meant was that I tried diet change before I found a doctor and the diet change alone made my pain and inflammation improve by at least 50%.

Just wanted to clarify. Keebler has a good point about gluten too. It turns out I am not allergic to gluten but I still eat it very sparingly because you can develop an allergy to it at any time and I think we sickies develop it pretty quickly.

I love Quinoa. If you haven't tried it, do so. It is as easy to cook as rice and just has a great flavor and texture.

Best of luck! What part of Europe did you come from? It sounds heavenly.

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/

From The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson)


http://tinyurl.com/357ubf

Special Diets for Illness


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http://tinyurl.com/2habfg

Nutr Metab (Lond). 2008 Feb 20;5(1):6 [Epub ahead of print]
Links


Eggs modulate the inflammatory response to carbohydrate restricted diets in overweight men.


Ratliff JC, Mutungi G, Puglisi MJ, Volek JS, Fernandez ML.

Excerpts:

Here, as a follow up of our previous study, we examined the effects of eggs (a source of both dietary cholesterol and lutein) on adiponectin, a marker of insulin sensitivity, and on inflammatory markers in the context of a CRD. [low carb diet]

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These findings indicate that eggs make a significant contribution to the anti-inflammatory effects of CRD, possibly due to the presence of cholesterol, which increases HDL-C and to the antioxidant lutein which modulates certain inflammatory responses.


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herbalfrog,


Yes, Luvs has great info.

My links are meant to complement her work and are just part of what will help in your personal research.

I could only read your first post, not your second, but I hope you find good help with all the replies.


I forgot to add when I first wrote the post about about porphyria, that for those with most types a genetic porphyria, protein, especially red meat is VERY hard to digest.

Supplementing with B-12, taurine and L-cartinine, then, may be good as well as glutathione.


Best of luck to you.


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Luvs,

Another big quinoa fan, good cereal and a good option to brown rice. I buy ancient harvest quinoa. I'm also a big millet fan as well.

Get brazil nuts in shells and eat one or two a day. Brazil nuts are very high in selenium.

Make a dandelion green pesto to go over your quinoa, include a few cashews (loads of magnesium and protien or walnuts omega 3s) add some dried cranberries. And you didn't have to cook anything. A nice dish, a hybrid of raw and cooked food.

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Anybody get papitas or pumkin seeds? I grind them in a herb grinder you could use a coffee grinder and keep them in jar. Adding it to salads, soups, use it in homemade dressings, talk about under utilized food that is pretty cheap:

"World's Healthiest Foods Rating "
Pumpkin seeds, raw
0.25 cup
34.50 grams
186.65 calories

Nutrient Amount DV
manganese 1.04 mg 52.0
magnesium 184.58 mg 46.1
phosphorus 405.03 mg 40.5
tryptophan 0.11 g 34.4
iron 5.16 mg 28.7
copper 0.48 mg 24.0
vitamin K 17.73 mcg 22.2
zinc 2.57 mg 17.1
protein 8.47 g 16.9

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About quinoa.

You can buy the light colored. It requires - word loss -- running it under water before cooking --


the RED quinoa (by Ancient Harvest) can be put right into boiling water.


As I'm a fan of one-pot meals, you can add in 1/4 cup dry red quinoa to lentils as they finish - or to chicken soup as it's nearly done.

Another 10-15 minutes and you have a casserole sort of meal - or a thick soup, depending upon how much water you use.

Works for me.


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