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Does this BIONIC 880 thing actually work, or is it some pipe dream? Anyone know where I can read about it more besides there own site? Anyone have a actually testimonial? If it works so well, why don't we all just buy one?
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FreakShow the machines are $10,000. and people are buying the machines and bringing them back.
They seem to be helping some people and if they do it will be wonderful for the rest of us who are waiting to hear more about the treatment with an open mind.
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If you want testimonials, cal the doctor and he can give you some of the 2000 phone numbers with names whom you can call, if he gives you the okay. I did, and every one of them I called, is perfectly healthy today.
My husband still carried Lyme which he had for some 10-1l years, and all of the nasty little creatures including all co-infections are now gone. We are very very happy with the results.
And nothing is better than finally have gotten rid of all - it took us exactly 3-1/2 weeks and after 8 treatments Lyme was eradicated.
The doctor who developed this treatment with the Bionic 880 is lecturing and teaching the method several times a year to doctors in Germany and other Europeans. The instrument is already finding its way into other European countries.
Look at the list of therapists - some 200 medical doctors and practitioners are using the instrument in Germany. Lyme is rampant in Europe as it is here. I had originall heard of it this May from a personal family friend who had suffered badly from Lyme and was cured with the Bionic 880 protocol in 3 weeks. She also had battled it for a number of years. All the others I called, who were strangers to me, told me their story and the results were identical. Well now, completely.
Several people from this group are in Germany now for treatment and others are following over the next months.
www.biophotons.de - take a look at the List of Therapists. We bought the instrument and brought it back and are using it for all the different purposes and hopefully never for another tickbite or insect bite!
I had a severe case of Lyme - I am totally well by other means, but received some of the photon treatments also in order to wipe out any possible pathogens. It has an immense effect on the body's ability to finally release heavy metals. Metals that were a struggle to get out before are now leaving readily.
All I can say is - look into it.
Take care.
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Wow, what are we all suffering for then? Why not get this, well all share it? Please I am down to buy this tomorrow.
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Since this concept is so new to us in this country, I realize the whole thing sounds odd and like some pipe dream. GiGi found out in May, then went over to have her husband treated.
Steelbone and I are going in October. As GiGi said, there are others there now. I have spoken to someone in Germany receiving the treatment with good results.
I have also been communicating with the person there now. She had her first treatment yesterday.
I have nothing to lose by going over there and will be keeping a blog (I will announce where when I start posting) so that my treatment experience can be documented without discussion.
Of course, discussion will be welcome here, and I will participate as I can.
This is new. I have an open mind. I have the means. So, I have nothing to lose.
In the meantime, I recommend ILADS as the best treatment we have.
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quote:Originally posted by steelbone: I'll be there with her...i will try and share my experciences through her blog...If she lets
Yep, that will work out just fine and that will save you from having to type, LOL.
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I am reading these threads and am very hopeful as well. I would love to get my husband treated and cured. He has been on abx for a year and is better than last year at this time, but still has symptoms.
I do remember reading when Gigi first came back and said her husband still had symptoms. Does anyone know how long after returning that the symptoms disappeared? I remember hearing about someone else too who had finished treatment and still had symptoms right after treatment. I guess it takes awhile after treatment for them to go away?
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Sixgoofykids, Wow, that is exciting! So you are staying there the whole time to get treated? I've been searching for alternative medicines and this seems very promising.
I will certainly look forward to your blog.
If it's effective, I would certainly think about buying one and then reselling it. I should check to see if anyone it reselling a used one now!
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I just wanted to add that I've been following the news on Bionic 880 very closely and am hopeful as well. As someone who can no longer take antibiotics, it is a sliver of hope for me.
Six goofy--I wish you and steelbone a safe trip and a wonderful outcome. I wish I could go too, but I will be thinking of you. I look forward to your blog. Thanks for sharing with us.
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i am anxiously awaiting to hear the results as well. i am in need of a hip (maybe both) surgery(ies) asap and cannot get it done till i rid myself of the lyme and coinfections.
six, you and i see the same llmd...i told him about the bionic 880 2 or so months ago, and he blew it off as ridiculous as he said that there are so many light machines out there that don't work (he was assuming the bionic is just another one that doesn't work, and of course has no time to research it himself). i will be very, very excited if you kill the bugs in germany and come back to influence one of the most respected llmds in the country with your success, not to mention, of course, to know you are all better!
i am about ready to go there myself, but have no $$. i am friends with two doctors from munich that are on their way here in november. perhaps i can convince them to ship a machine over to where they are staying in the states, and i can pick it up from them when i see them?? a long shot but you never know!
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Gigi...I cannot find the list of therapists on the website www.biophotons.de ...do you have a list you could possibly PM me? Thanks!
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This topic kind of saddens me.
I mean, I'm hopeful about what this is being able to do for people and 'cure' them and whatnot, but what about those of us who cannot afford a trip to Germany (that and are much too busy) and who cannot afford to pay for treatments with Bionic??? It's just kind of sad to me...
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D not sure if this would work for u...But if me and six come back totally healthy u could just open a credit card and go...When u get back u wouldn't need to spend hundreds of dollars each month on supplemnts/ abx and dr bills u would just pay ur credit card each month..just a thought ..i understand i know nothing about ur financial situation...
I agree with 6 the more of us that go and get better the better chance we have getting this technology into this country...later
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Six & Steelbone, I will be reading your blog with much interest as well. Sometimes it seems too good to be true; but, I am open to anything that works! I hope you both have great success.
I'm sure Gigi gets tons of emails about this. I reside in her state and asked her about renting sessions with her Bionic 880, but didn't hear back. I am hopeful that if this is as effective as we hope, it can become more available to all of us.
If I had to, I could probably come up with the means to go myself, just a hardship on my family...but, if your reports indicate it's worth it, I may try to figure it out. I see a new LLMD tomorrow that I'm really excited about; I will ask her what she knows about this too.
Good luck to you both! TS
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I'll be following this closely as well. I applaud the ones who are going over to see what happens - that takes a lot of faith and a lot of courage....
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I applaud the ones who are going over too. If this doctor and this machine end up being something very helpful to the rest of us then this will be amazing and the first people to go will have helped light he way for the rest of us.
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I ditto Lauren and Angelica...thanks for trailblazing you guys, we're grateful! TS
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Might want to go to the following link and look at the current gov. sponsored trials using far infrared (they are simply listed):
The following is from an "edu" (osteoblasts are bone BUILDING cells):
Osteoblasts were grown in tissue culture, and were exposed once daily to NIR light with a total energy of 4J/cm² and wavelengths of 670 nm, 830 nm or 880 nm.
Osteoblast proliferation was increased by all wavelengths, with the greatest increases being seen following irradiation at 830 and 880nm.
Our data demonstrate that NIR light enhances cellular proliferation, with the greatest effects being seen at 830nm.
Interestingly, while proliferation was enhanced by NIR light, secretion of several important markers of osteoblast function such as osteocalcin, ALP, and TGF-β were significantly delayed, suggesting that the primary effects of the NIR irradiation were to promote cellular proliferation over differentiation.
Taken together, these results suggest that NIR light may play an important role in the enhancement of fracture healing.
"In fact, infrared light at the 880nm wavelength has such astounding healing properties that it's currently being explored as cutting-edge emerging medicine under the umbrella of vibrational medicine.
NASA was one of the first organizations to examine phototherapy in recent times: they were trying to develop a technology to accelerate the growth of plants, presumably for space travel.
What they got, instead, was a technology that doubles the healing speed of human tissue. Shine the light on a cut, burn, lesion, sprain, or other injury, and it heals in half the time.
The U.S. military has been testing units, too. Soldiers engaged in recent war efforts have been using light therapy to heal bullet wounds, among other injuries. The results have been phenomenal (around a 200% boost in the speed of healing).
On the experimental side, some health practitioners are even using phototherapy to reverse cancer and shrink tumors."
Bb has a PKC INhibitor. It looks to be PKCD...protein kinase DELTA. Bb maybe inhibiting this kinase (kinases transfer phosphate).
If you look at the Greek alphabet, Delta corresponds to ppi.
That looks like it might be 2 photons...energy "packets" with no electrical charge - I know - hard to understand the physics.
IF the 880nM wavelength delivers 2 photons it maybe delivering the energy to the infected cells that Bb is infecting and depleting of energy and thus allow the infected cells to send the RIGHT messages onward...to the CD4 T cells which look to be key to healing.
This would, in essence, be supporting our own defense system, IMO.
Good luck. God Bless.
Note: there are other machines that have this wavelength available. Whether or not they work as effectively is another thing.
And please remember...IV Mg was restored as part of the treatment. HUGE doses. It looked to be about 3 GRAMS given IV in spaced doses.
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Treatment is twice per week. Cost depends on what else you need done. As Marnie said, people get mineral IV's. They also get chiropractic adjustments, and whatever else they need.
Treatment is for three weeks. Yes, it is more cost effective to go over there than to buy a machine.
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plane ticket 900 bucks place to stay 1000 bucks food 300 bucks i'm guessing no idea on renting a car i'm guessing treatment will be about 2 grand for me..Going to have him do some back stuff as well
so my guess is it will be some where between 5-6 grand...rounded up in case we decide to do some site seeing ...
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Without hope for a cure, we'll never find one. I for one, have not lost hope. Antibiotics are the best we have right now. I hope for better.
I'm not weak, poor, nor stupid. I have researched this and think it's worth a shot. Without people willing to take risks, we would never progress. I'm taking the risk and displaying it here for all of you to learn from.
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FreakShow--I'm not wanting to get into any arguments here and I do understand your concern, but I need to tell you I have had $75,000 in unreimbursed medical expenses over the last two years alone. This is for 'conventional' treatment--doctor visits, lab work, medicines and IV antibiotics.
Dr. W's fees are not at all out of line. He is not benefiting from taking advantage of desperate sick people.
Basically, my point in sharing my costs is-- being sick with something as nebulous and difficult to treat as tick-borne diseases, is extremely expensive--even if you treat strictly with antibiotics and medications.
For those of us who can longer take antibiotics, it behooves us to check out alternatives. It isn't folly.
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Can you send me some documentation, literature, testimonials? Something?
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Yes, GiGi has already posted Dr. Woitzel's phone number. If you call him, he will give you the number to several patients who have given permission to pass out their numbers. That is the best source for testimonials.
GiGi also already posted the websites with the literature, so please refer to her post on page one of this thread.
There are no studies at this time, but if you wait a few years, there most likely will be.
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I hope you are right that there will be studies. I see alot of ridicule of using infrared light for healing by people who just haven't researched it... including doctors & scientists.
For some reason, these doctors & scientists can be the most narrow minded people of all.
If I had the money & the energy - I would go to see Dr. W. Since I didn't, I researched it & used the LightWorks.
The LightWorks has helped me accomplish incredible progress towards feeling better. To me, that's a sign that the Bionic 880 may really do the trick.
I was pretty much on my own using he LightWorks... it was all experimental & I had a huge herx which wasn't fun. I am feeling alot better, though & I'll continue with it as I can.
The indication I got from energetic testing was that I should not use the infrared light again for about a month or 2.
I've been under a great deal of stress from personal things this year. We are moving across country in November. I would not have the energy to move if it wasn't for the LightWorks... no joke!
There are 100s of studies about the usefulness of infrared light.
The abx did not help me. I was using the full Dr. Cowden protocol & it was helpful but no where near as effective as using the infrared light.
There are options. If you are willing to experiment, you may be able to improve your health using other less expensive infrared devices. It is possible. I have done it.
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Please remember that all patients that see Dr. W. and who receive treatment, even though they cleared Lyme totally while there for the approximate 3 weeks, have to come back once a month for at least four months, to get tested monthly (energetically) to make sure no further Bb shows up. It is also recommended that people get tested again (energetically) once a year. A 95% success rate, no relapse, is not bad! And that over a period of several years (I believe 8).
Remember, Lyme is rampant in Europe and more so in the US. I also think our EMF exposure in the US is much greater because we started a lot earlier with cell phones and computer exposures, etc. As with all toxins, it is the accumulation that does us in.
Also the European home-wiring is much more strict, and our type of wiring wouldn't not be approved overthere. They have stronger insulation. All this plays into the results.
It is best to have little or no computer exposure and certainly no wireless whatsoever. Same for cordless phones, etc.
Anyone is entitled to throw out their doubts. because, I guess, that's sort of what most are used to. Just another humbug. But 2000 plus cured Lymies is hard to negate. The first time I heard in person from a cured Lymie, a personal family friend, I knew instantly I had hit a homerun. That was about 4 months ago.
I am amazed how the negative attitude of a few have practically brought the interest for the Bionic 880 and photons to a standstill. I hope for the sake of the Lyme community that this doesn't happen again.
My husband cleared all Lyme after six treatments in Germany. I learned the energetic testing and he needed two more Bionic treatments when we got home. That was in July.
As of this date, he has no Lyme Disease, no co-infections whatsoever. Of course, depending on the individual condition, one person clears the toxins out rapidly - another one takes longer. Or, as has also happened, other problems have to be solved - structural, emotional, and don't forget being well requires a total make-over in attitude, habits, and more.
The added benefit following treatment, especially for my husband, is that the heavy metals are now flowing - literally non-stop - and that is what we are paying attention to now. We still have got to catch them to make sure they are not reabsorbed. Binding agents. But the photons have opened the gates and neurotoxins - biotoxins, xenobiotics, all the manmade garbage we have been carrying around can leave without of a push.
I warn you again - do not try it with just any light. There is a huge difference between shifting and eradicating. The gut is loaded with a billion nerve endings - you don't want to mess with that. We know they will go where they can survive if the protocol is not followed. They are changing constantly to accommodate their absolute survival.
Take care.
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I don't feel that I raised any unsolvable or catastrophic health issues by using the LightWorks for $300 as opposed to spending $5,000 - $15,000.
It's not for everyone but it was helpful for me.
As I'm repeating again... we don't all have the luxury to go to Europe & spend thousands of dollars. Some of us do want to get well & not sit in front of the computer complaining about things all day.
GiGi- sometimes your approach is a bit inflammatory. I appreciate your info but other people are entitled to think what they want to without being insulted for their decisions.
Regardless whether people agree or not, we should all be respectful towards each other. This way we will have less contentious problems with each other.
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quote:I'm sure Gigi gets tons of emails about this. I reside in her state and asked her about renting sessions with her Bionic 880, but didn't hear back. I am hopeful that if this is as effective as we hope, it can become more available to all of us.
Tick, I do not recall an e-mail from you. Unless mail is clearly identified, I do not open it. Send it to me again, please.
In general, I do not rent out our instrument. It will not leave our house without me. It is too big of an investment. A spill of water and the lighthead is ruined.
I would also not want to take on the responsibility of treating or assisting anyone without a doctor's supervision. Lyme is not always just Lyme. Some people have severe reactions, others almost none.
I treated a close friend who is under a doctor's care and whose problems I am very familiar with for many years and the necessary added support is readily available when indicated. I know his other toxin problems and can take it into consideration.
Something goes wrong or not as expected. Who and what do you think gets the blame?
I love to help, within my limits. Take care.
P.S.
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Gigi - i tried to find a list of practitioners on the website you quoted, but can't....do you have a list of practitioners??
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It's an interesting concept and one I will be watching close. I'm not ready to take the loooong trip yet though as I can hardly make a Doctor appointment.
I sure hope it works though, I've had Lyme for quite a while now and would love to finially get rid of it!
Steve
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You will have to call and find out. All these on the list use the Bionic 880 in their practice. I have talked with some who do the treatment. Not all do, because not all are the same type of practitioners. Some have treated themselves for Lyme, successfully. The Bionic 880 is used for a multitude of problems.
Take care.
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Thanks for that! I have several contacts in the Rhineland area, lived and worked there, so was just wondering if it might be possible to do the treatment there instead of extra cost of accommodation etc with Dr.W.
I see there are a number of practitioners in that region - will check out if they use it for Lyme or not.
Thanks again. Elaine
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The way i look at is i have the money and time to go. So why not give it a shot...Certainly have gotten some positve feed back from Gigi and a few others. Plus the person there right now is giving me some feed back and so far it's been music to my ears
I'm just sick of popping pills...If the bionic 880 doesn't work so be it..no different then anything else i've tried....Worse case is i get to see europe....
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Well it sure sounds like you can't please everyone.
Life is short,WHY NOT TRY IT! I am thinking of doing it myself. In the long run if it works it will help others OVER here. If the FDA would get off their a....
Europe is different,the people have a different mind set. Not out to screw all. The majority of Dr are not wealthy.
I would like to say to GIGI and six,"Thank God you are out there".
I know alot of time and effort is put into being a part of Lymenet.
Even if I did help others with the machine I will be bringing back,I sure wouldn't advertise it.
America,they will sue here for anything.
Keep up the great work! Gigi,So glad to hear you and your hubby are doing well.
And to the group going, GOOD LUCK! Positive thinking! Sorry for poor grammer and spelling (brain fog). Atheana Posts: 196 | From from a far | Registered: Jan 2008
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I appreciate the attitude you both have toward your upcoming journey, please continue to let all the possible criticism not deter you from sharing.
I am a baseball fan and it has been said that Ted Williams was loved by the fans and thousands cheered for him, but most often he only heard the few people booing him. What a shame.
I would hate to see valuable information not shared because a few people don't agree with what you have to say.
I also appreciate consenting viewpoints. You should always have the right to state your opinion if done respectfully.
I get the sense from your posts that you both will continue to share and i applaud you both for that.
I would like to know what are your current symptoms that cause you problems.
Six i believe you have been doing fairly well recently, correct?.
I guess what i'm asking is what would you both consider to be a successful trip?
Could you share with us the condition of the person you know currently in Germany.Like what level of recovery he/she has gained?
I understand if you can't it is just so tantalizing.
Thanks
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I plan to share. I won't back away. I don't mind discussion of the treatment, but when it becomes personal, well, that should be saved for PM's.
Anyway, I have had ups and downs. I was taking Zith, Mepron and other meds two months ago. I was doing horribly and was not very functional. Extreme fatigue and a lot of pain.
My LLMD switched me to Buhner herbs with Malarone and Lariam for babs. I jumped up to the 90% range and stayed there for over a month until I got rid of a moldy mattress (there's a thread on it).
Well, the detox from getting rid of the mattress has really been tough. It hit all at once about three days after getting rid of the mattress. If it were a decline, I wouldn't have crashed so quickly. I am now on meds for mold detox.
It seems that in getting rid of one of my chronic exposures that my body is going into a healing crisis, if you're familiar with that term .... basically, now that the stressor is gone, my body is cleaning up and I'm feeling the pain.
So, I have had ups and downs. The expected results is for the Lyme to be eradicated. I don't expect for my body to be able to do all the recovery/detoxification in the three weeks time, but I think I'll better be able to handle it once I return with the Lyme gone, right?
I am NOT going over there and having pesticides injected into my veins. I AM going over to use a relatively common treatment modality to Europe, one that our own country is testing, one that NASA and the military uses, one that has had promising results in a Pubmed study on Parkinson's Disease, one that has been used on young leukemia patients.
I don't feel free to share about the person in Germany now as it's a member of the board who has mentioned here she would be there. All I can say from her several emails to me is, I am VERY EXCITED and hopeful.
Thanks for the encouragement.
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I am excited and hopeful for you and for the rest of us who may follow behind you. It feels good to have a protocol to feel excited about.
I did much better on Malarone then Mepron too and it actually seemed to do more for getting down my babs load then my first 4 months of Mepron.
I only did one pill of Malarone a day but I did it for many months. I was told my babesia is probably dormant at the moment.
I hope your mold toxins leave soon and you start to feel better soon.
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This board is very fortunate to have someone like GiGi.
GiGi is a very busy lady and only has time to state the facts.
I, for one, am very greatful for all of her input over the years.
Another family member of mine has just been dx with Lyme and I find hope for all from GiGi's experience.
Thanks for never giving up GiGi. You and your hubby are sweethearts.
Mary
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Thanks, Angelica. I actually felt great on the Mepron when I was on Biaxin and when I was cutting my zith in half .... it was the full dose zith causing the issues.
My LLMD thought my problem was that it was causing inflammatory cytokines, that my symptoms were more likely the cytokines. The funny thing is, mold also causes inflammatory cytokines, so he was correct .... we just didn't know why yet.
Also, anything like Transfer Factor would cause the same symptoms. My immune system was already on the attack .... I didn't need it any more stimulated.
Last time on Malarone/Lariam, I backslid pretty badly.
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I am soooooooo wishing you the best of luck. Look forward to hearing about it.
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Thanks for all your wonderful and not so wonderful input. Many people don't like what I have said over the last many years and don't like the way I say it - so be it. I speak English from the heart, but as a general practice, I do not insult others.
If a handful of people have heard me and have learned something that helped, that's enough to give me pleasure.
Frank, I am willing to bet right now that you will be going to Germany soon unless someone imports the instrument and you can get treated here.
As with any treatment for any disease, it helps to approach it in a positive way and with a certain trust and respect toward the doctor, especially if he is the founder of a proven protocol as is the case here. That is who we are talking about here.
I was able to feel very positive the first time I exchanged information with Dr. W. by telephone, and it has not changed over the last few months. He is a devoted doctor and I will be thankful to my last day that he had the courage and wisdom to develop this protocol into one that cures Lyme. Period.
The exception is a misdiagnosis, antibiotic intake during the treatment, re-infection, or heretofore unrecognized untreated problems, often structural. If people are still heavy metal toxic or have other microorganism die-off with the treatment, that will probably need attention after the Lyme has been treated. The monthly check-up he recommends to his patients, etc. I posted about in my first post when I described Dr. W's Power Point Presentation (in German language) in detail here, in English.
I don't care to be told that I spread another scheme, tell of just another crook who is after your money, or worse, a foreign person who doesn't care for Americans --- I tune out when I hear things like that. It is an insult.
But when one swims against the stream as I have done all my life and certainly on Lymenet, I have never known it to be any different. There are always those old rotten tree branches you have to climb around or over. I will keep doing my thing - whether some people like it or not --- And if what I have posted has helped others, that is all that counts. After all, it got me well a long time ago -- Take care.
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lymie_in_md
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GiGi thanks for your continuing efforts to share what you've learned. Information and communication between the lyme community and our doctors are going to defeat this disease. I hope we will see the day soon where there are practioners here learning from Dr. W. and collaborating with each other for even better treatments.
We as a board need to encourage practioners to evaluate Dr. W.'s approach. I've been working on my practioner and some day the bionic 880 will be here, its just a matter of time.
After spending a lot of hours researching LED technology, it is just at beginning stages of research. 880nm triggering biological reactions in cells. 660nm cell regeneration and repair. 1072 & 1280nm's ability to restore neural health. There is plenty that still hasn't been studied or tried.
-------------------- Bob Posts: 2148 | From Maryland | Registered: Dec 2007
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Hello all... the vibe in this thread is healthy...I must say... I want to wish you both all the best...
Kinda reminds me of the 60's and GiGi first orbited the earth and now two more brave souls will attempt a landing!
Ok ... so beyond the metaphor...I pray for all of us this is the answer!
Lyme is out of control here in the US. As with all medical cash cows someone is benefitting at the suffering of others.
I cant afford 3,000$ a month for drugs... Mepron/zith/ceftin...
Taking your last handful of money and ending a financial bleed-out is very promising to me. That and feeling free from suffering. I'll get a ticket tomorrow!
Gigi and/or anyone... what is the wait time to see this Dr.? How were the accommodations ... meaning do they have a recommended place ect?
Thanx
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GiGi
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Cooper, it is very simple. Call Dr. W's office and ask for an appointment. Tel 01149 7231-358378. Call during office hours - do not leave messages on recorder. The girls do not understand the many different American accents! And do not have the time to listen again and again and again to get the message straight.
We stayed at the www.gaestehausklein-dobel.de and it was the best ever - reasonable, happy clean, and nice people in the northern Black Forest with a full kitchen and great stores for reasonable supplies. I am a very thrifty housewife! They (ast the Gaestehaus) are without "wireless". The doctor has made it clear that he does not want people to be exposed to it while in treatment especially.
Ask if you have other questions. I do not know cost, etc. because it differs for everyone. Ask at the doctor's office for this type of info.
Hope you can do it. Lymefree is a wonderful feeling!
Take care.
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do you know what their office hours are? I've been trying to wake up super early to catch them before closing shop, but they must not stay after 4
thanks, joey
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NanaDubo
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Please see - Bionic 880 thread and I promise I won't delete it-
I am in Germany right now being treated and I have posted on that thread for those who are interested.
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GiGi are you Cured, is your husband cured??? Or symptoms free??
I only ask because I am confused about the word CURE being used... I was under the impression that You CANNOT cure lyme and Co's...
If there was a cure I would be all for it considering how sick I am... I am sick of being unable to care for my children and myself.
About computer EMF's... I ALWAYS get very sick at the computer and this didnt start until I got sick. Never had the problem beofre. Unfortunately I need to use the computer for many different things. Actually its all I have, my bed and my computer to keep me connected to the outside world.
Well, I certainly don't have the money to go to Germany or to even treat here.. I dont know... I would think if this were the case then NO one would have lyme.
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GiGi are you Cured, is your husband cured??? Or symptoms free??
I only ask because I am confused about the word CURE being used... I was under the impression that You CANNOT cure lyme and Co's...
If there was a cure I would be all for it considering how sick I am... I am sick of being unable to care for my children and myself.
About computer EMF's... I ALWAYS get very sick at the computer and this didnt start until I got sick. Never had the problem beofre. Unfortunately I need to use the computer for many different things. Actually its all I have, my bed and my computer to keep me connected to the outside world.
Well, I certainly don't have the money to go to Germany or to even treat here.. I dont know... I would think if this were the case then NO one would have lyme.
-------------------- "You'll be surprised to know how far you can go from the point you thought it was the end" Posts: 946 | From Massachusetts | Registered: Apr 2008
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How is your husband doing now, GiGi? I know he is Lyme-free, but are his symptoms gone, too?
If this is everything it's cracked up to be, we should be able to get a group rate from Travelocity or someting.
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Unexpected, this is a new procedure, people here have never even heard of it. GiGi knew someone in Germany who got Lyme and got cured by Dr. Woitzel (yes, cured, he has a very, very low relapse rate)
If it weren't for GiGi sharing about her friend and her own trip we wouldn't have even heard of it here. The doctor over there has been doing this treatment for over 8 years now. More of us are going to check it out.
Read the Bionic 880 I won't delete it thread ..... Nanodubo has posted about her success in Germany. Hopefully in a couple weeks I'll be able to say the same thing!
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