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bejoy
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I thought I'd post this in case it might help somebody else out there.

I had fistula (hole in my gum through to the sinus) that would not heal for over a year since a root canalled tooth was removed.

We tried everything, including surgery to close the hole, and it reopened.

I finally discovered that it was an antibiotic resistant form of strep pneumonia, and I was able to treat it with grapefruit seed extract.

I used it topically, even though it tastes incredibly bitter. The pain from toxin release was very harsh for about a week, as the infection died off and drained.

I also used a nosode of the particular bacteria in conjunction with near infrared light. Improvement was accelerated following each of these treatments.

Problems with this tooth began about ten years ago, and have plagued me ever since.

The hole finally closed up, and I am a new woman!

I hope this info may help someone else out there.

[ 12. October 2008, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: bejoy ]

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I have been taking Immunfactor 5 for strep staph and ecoli and have been surprised at its effect on me, which I have described elsewhere here last week. It made me wonder how synergistic strep & lyme are. Strep uses Dpp4 (I think?) anyway its toxins block that--as per the autism book by Pangloss and Baker. I don't have time to figure it all out but think there is an overlap or synergy.
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bejoy,

After the first week on the Grapefruit Seed Extract during which your fistula was healing, were you on GSE even longer and seeing improvement before you started the nosode and light treatments?

I ask because I am wondering if GSE alone could help the strep for me. Worth a try.

I have heard these theories about strep and Lyme being tied. I even heard someone say that they think taking out the tonsils for some Lymies may be helpful if the tonsils are "housing" the strep. Any opinions on this?

I have had a positive IgM strep blood test while sick with Lyme. I get recurring sore throats, but nothing else that would lead a regular MD to diagnose me with strep. Here is how I found out about the positive IgM....

I brought this whole "should I get my tonsils taken out since I have Lyme?" issue to a regular Ear Nose and Throat MD at one point, and of course he thought this sounded bogus. I sort of dared him to test me for strep, and he did, and it came back IgM positive, and he was shocked.

So yes, I am very interested in this possible Lyme/strep synergy.

How much GSE do you think I should take bejoy? I may also try that Immunfactor 5.

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If you want Immunfactor 5 I have an extra bottle of it I could discount for you. PM me if you want.

I really like the stuff. I don't have strep throat or anything but am convinced I have strep in my sinuses as they responded to amoxicillin but then all the inflammation came back and I hate abx so didn't take more (this was a few years ago) and I believe I have e.coli in my bladder after a cystitis a couple years ago. Some of us don't fight strep that well if we are type O blood according to Amy Yasko, the little "HLA" type on our blood looks not dissimilar to strep so we don't fight it as much. Who knows. I think it's that the toxin docks at dpp4 as per Pangloss and Baker. I wonder if lyme has a toxin that does that also.

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I am having throat, sinus and gum problems at the moment and I also have a fever. I had a lot of strep throats as a child.

Sometimes trying to figure out the whole Lyme puzzle gets difficult especially when you are not feeling well.

Bejoy did just apply the GSE to your gum? Everything including colloidal silver seems to make my gum hurt and one of my teeth as well.

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I had a UTI last fall before i knew I had Lyme it took 3 rounds of antibioitics to go away. Lyme does keep you from heling when you have something none Lyme related happen in your body.
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Hoosiers -- if it were me, I would try to clear the infection first, and then see if it still feels necessary to remove the tonsils. My understanding is that strep as well as other types of bacteria can show up in other areas of the body. But, again, this is only what I would do for myself... I am not a doctor.

My daughter and I had to deal with this infection also. We are still working with my daughter, but I feel that it is having an effect on the health of her skin as well.

I do not think strep is uncommon in lyme.

Claire

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bejoy
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I am still taking GSE because I am still muscle testing as needing it, and because I still get a reaction to it, even after the fistula closed.

I was taking four drops a day, and now I take two.

I put the drops in a small amount of water and swish it around and hold it in my mouth for a while. Yuck.

Then I was getting some really intense pain over the following three or four hours. The affected gum tissues and part of my tongue and tonsils would swell up, and then later drain. This subsided to a tolerable level after about a week and a half.

I had concerns that I might be having an allergic reaction, but the practitioner I trust confirmed that the GSE is a good treatment for me, and that this is a die-off reaction.

Which is to say that this treatment was not tolerable. I'd call it a bad herx, and I considered getting IV vit C and glutathione for it.

I believe that the gums and jaw are difficult to treat because of a lack of blood perfusion. Not a lot of blood vessels in the gums.

So I believe this treatment is working topically in a way the antibiotics were not working systemically. If I just swallow GSE without swishing, I don't get the same pain or healing.

I also believe that there is a neurotoxin connection to lesions in mucous membrane, such as sinuses. This comes from Shoemakers info.

So apparently gum and sinus tissue has some trouble healing when there are neuro toxins present.

I have a sense that strep produces some strong neurotoxins with die-off, as does candida and borrelia. So that would account for the lyme strep connection. Neurotoxins make the tissues susceptible to other infections, and make them difficult to heal.

The list of bacteria and fungus I have treated is looong. Besides the TBI's of borrelia, babesia, bartonella, and bruscella, it also includes this strep pneumonia, klebsiella pneumonia, candida, microsporidium, and another fungal not formally identified. Possibly others that responded to treatment for these. Who knows?!

I've been relentless about going after each and every symptom with a search for the pathogen by name. It's paying off!

I had been relating to myself like a walking sewer, you know. Not a nice way to relate to your own body. Now I am beginning to feel so clean, inside and out.

Good luck to you!

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Thank you for that information Bejoy.

Reflexology on sore points on my fingers at times seems to be helping me with my gums.

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