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migs
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I know about Metronidazole but why do several sources say NO alcohol when you have Lyme, regardless of treatment program??

Anyone know?

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DaveNJ
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Migs,

because of yeast and seondly just to maintain good health. but alcohol is a real no-no on abx.

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TF
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My now famous lyme doc gives all patients a handout of guidelines during antibiotic therapy. On the handout it says: "Eliminate Alcohol. Why? Consuming alcohol stresses your brain and liver. Antibiotics are hard on the liver, so it is important to not add the additional stress of alcoholic beverages."

Burrascano's Guidelines, page 17 says: "There are three things that will predict treatment failure regardless of which regimen is chosen: Noncompliance, alcohol use, and sleep deprivation." He doesn't explain why, but wow, what a warning.

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Liz D
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I could murder a glass of wine... I had no idea my life was so tied up with drinking the stuff; celebrations, a good day at the office, a bad day at the office, Fridays, figure skating on the tele, anything pleasurable really had a glass to go with it. I miss it....
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AP
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OK... Wait...

I abstained from drinking alcohol for years after my diagnosis. This January, after devastation struck, I fell off of the wagon. Big time.

I found help, and stopped drinking for a couple months.

This summer, I started drinking again, but with strict guidelines about how much I would consume. My labs come back better when I kick back a few, than they do when I don't.

Yeah, at 26, I can get a little out of control at times, but the antibiotics quickly remind me that I don't have the luxuries that most people my age do.

I'm not saying go out and drink, I'm just giving another side to the story.

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We use wine to marinate meat/chicken/fish because it helps reduce any sort of bacterial issues that might be present, and have had no problems with food poisoning since. It does not require expensive wine, and a little goes a long way. The alcohol dissipates during the cooking process so it does not present a danger.

We also drink a few sips of wine (my daughter and I) with cheese. We are dairy sensitive but when we do allow ourselves to eat a homemade pizza, for instance, once in awhile, I find that the wine somehow makes it more healthful for us... it also reduces any possible bacterial issues that might be present in the dairy.

One time, after eating out and feeling sick for a day or so, I drank a few sips of wine and felt much better.

Abx/doctor rules not withstanding, as you get stronger and detox organs (liver) are working relatively well, I think alcohol could possibly be a positive thing, not negative.

Claire

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Well I wonder about this issue sometimes.

A few years ago when I was very sick with lyme (I did not know what I had of course) I took a lot of red wine every night and then slept for 12h straight.
This "regime" made me well again..... [Eek!]


Then I relapsed 3 years later when giving birth.
So now I am on hard abx after finally having a dx.

Maybe it was all the sleep that was good? Not the wine.
But I know that red wine contains lots of anti-oxidants, like resveratrol and alcohol is bactericidal.

Also they say that alcoholists do not get sick with lyme...the bacteria does not like the alcohol.

I do not belive in mixing alcohol with abx of course this is a no no, but maybe alone in comb. with physical therapy etc?

Who knows?

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"Also they say that alcoholists do not get sick with lyme...the bacteria does not like the alcohol."

i've never heard this-ut i have run into many people over the years who suffer with lymecannot get tx and self medicate with alcohol. sad.

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I can't tolerate any alcohol. It makes all my symptoms much worse. I never had a problem with alcohol before lyme.

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Thanks for the replies. To be honest, I haven't had a drink in a few months and I think I am going to burst.

Sounds wierd but I really miss feeling drunk!

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Migs - ME TOO !! I used alcohol for stress relief and because I love the feeling it gives. I just cant imagine life with no wine and I find it really depressing. Apparently, according to my wino friends, I am not as much fun as I used to be - and its true.
My Dad lived in France, in the Bordeaux region, so I think I come by my wine habits with great honour. He would turn in his grave watching me drink soda with a good meal instead of wine!
Can you think of any substite that is legal, ok with abx and not fattening??
Liz

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As odd as it may sound, I'm going to suggest edible forms of pot (brownies, cookies, etc) as a safe alternative to alcohol. Of course any form of smoke is destructive to your lung tissue, but as long as you use a safer route of administration, it is quite harmless, especially with infrequent use.
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Liz D
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Hi, I had thought of pot in cookies etc but I seem to be addicted to sugar and if there were any brownies/cookies etc around I am scared I would scoff the lot.
I seem to have a problem with control. A sip of wine or one hash brownie couldnt hurt but I know myself too well. I am a weak person.
Pass the wine.

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I'm sorry... This seems so inappropriate, but this is what I think about every time someone talks about cooking pot into brownies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU

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It enables the Spirochete to overcome its heat sensivity by disabling the heat sensitivity gene in it.

Trout [Wink]

PS...and you are sick...alcohol is BAd when you are ill.....end of story

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I think there is a TON of truth in the lyme not liking alcohol.

I was a heavy drinker in college. After I graduated I still drank like I was in college. I think I should have came down with lyme long before I did. I went through a period where I stopped drinking completely on the weekends and during the week because I had to get up so early for my job, and I didn't want to be unhealthy in lifestyle anymore with the heavy drinking. So I stopped completely. Just a few months after I cut alcohol out completely I got lyme.

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At more than 1-2 drinks, alcohol has a suppressive effect on the immune system, that is a fact. If you have Lyme and feel better while drinking or afterward, its probably because you've suppressed your immune system and temporarily halted its war with Lyme. The same thing happens when you take steroids -- you feel better because of the immune system suppression.

While you enjoy this temporary relief, you are allowing the bacteria to multiply and gain an even stronger foothold in your body. Alcohol is bad, bad news where Lyme is concerned (bad for you, good for Lyme).

In your case Clint, I imagine that when your immune system was given a break to regroup after the long history of alcohol use, it became strong enough to begin going after Lyme that you had long been infected with.

Always remember the strange paradoxical effect that immune system strength has on Lyme -- the better your immunity and the more aggressively you attack the Lyme, the worse you will feel. Your Lyme symptoms are a result of your immune system's attacks and inflammation, not the bacteria itself (with the possible exception of neurotoxins produced directly by the bacteria)

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quote:
Originally posted by TF:
Consuming alcohol stresses your brain and liver. Antibiotics are hard on the liver, so it is important to not add the additional stress of alcoholic beverages."

Burrascano's Guidelines, page 17 says: "There are three things that will predict treatment failure regardless of which regimen is chosen: Noncompliance, alcohol use, and sleep deprivation." He doesn't explain why, but wow, what a warning.

DITTO, DITTO, DITTO!

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I just can't tolerate any alcohol. It makes me feel very heavy and my brain is very foggy. I tried to google drinks with low sugar, and have tried a vodka with soda water and lime, but it still makes me too out of it and I get no buzz.

Too bad, I used to meet friends after work for cocktails many times a week. Hopefully we can drink again someday.

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I can feel the spirochetes in my head because those areas are slightly swollen to the touch. When I apply Everclear to these areas with a cotton ball, the spirochetes move somewhere else and I follow them about with the Everclear. Anything to make life miserable for them. It does reduce my headaches.

This phenomenon tells me that spirochetes do not like alcohol and are fleeing from it, at least applied externally.

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