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SForsgren
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The latest from Dr. K on Lyme:

http://www.klinghardt.org/LymeProtocol08.pdf

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Thanks, Scott.

Glad to see updates, especially with so many changes.


Caution for sensitive eyes: This is a very bright presentation.


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[ 07. January 2009, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]

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maybe could try to copy the power point and format it differently. If I was at home I would try it --- but this is my brother computer (I am visiting.)
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Thanks, mjbucuk.

I tried to copy and paste a page but it would not work.

It won't print right as the type on the pdf is white and yellow, and bolded.


I printed out p. 4 as a test, but the background of the page is all black (taking a ton of toner) . . . the print is white, again, very hard on the eyes, even printed out. Impossible to read.


the amount of toner used for 18 pages would be a lot, so if one is running low on that, just a head's up. The smell of all that toner requires more time airing out by a window.


I don't mean to complain but this sort of just adds to the barriers and I guess this touched a nerve.

I wonder if he gave this project to someone who thought a slick appearance would be spiffy.

Spiffy, it is.


(However, from a legal point, this is virtually impossible to copy and paste portions to share. That may have been the intent. It does serve as a kind of protection for the author. And I certainly understand that.)


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Wow, these protocols are so unbelievably hard to undetstand / treat.
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Thanks, Scott. Very interesting information.

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A brilliant doctor gives all of this information away for free and all it seems to get here is a lot of complaints. Makes me wonder why he bothers...

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Scott,

Love the info...how can the bionic fit into this protocol?

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I think it's really helpful. Dunno that anyone was complaining about it.

Although that "spend time in nature" suggestion under neurophysiology... until ticks are extinct, I'll spend my time away from nature.

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To my knowledge, Dr. K does not have any comments on the Bionic yet. I am sure that in time we will hear something.

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I'm not sure I interpreted anything negative either.

What I do understand is we are a diseased people, some with very serious neuro and cognitive issues. I think it might be just the frustration coming out that we have to be so self-educated since docs are so lacking in knowledge about this disease. The disease in and of itself is exhausting, you add this component and it truly can be overwhelming.

Don't get me wrong...we need to be our own health advocates no matter what our illness might be. But it's pretty apparent that there is extreme negligence, lack of education and lack of recognition with this disease.

I am truly thankful for Dr. K's willingness to help us; thank God for him. I do get it when some of us get overwhelmed and frustrated, however; almost feeling like we have to find our own way unassisted, in a sense.

Thanks tons Scott for posting the link, interesting, informative stuff. TS

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You got it exactly right. I'm not complaining one bit and appreciate all the help I can get. It's just so hard for a non-medical expert to understand the dynamics of bacterial illnesses. There are obviously many different levels of expertise on Lymenet.

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I'm not sure I interpreted anything negative either.

What I do understand is we are a diseased people, some with very serious neuro and cognitive issues. I think it might be just the frustration coming out that we have to be so self-educated since docs are so lacking in knowledge about this disease. The disease in and of itself is exhausting, you add this component and it truly can be overwhelming.

Don't get me wrong...we need to be our own health advocates no matter what our illness might be. But it's pretty apparent that there is extreme negligence, lack of education and lack of recognition with this disease.

I am truly thankful for Dr. K's willingness to help us; thank God for him. I do get it when some of us get overwhelmed and frustrated, however; almost feeling like we have to find our own way unassisted, in a sense.

Thanks tons Scott for posting the link, interesting, informative stuff. TS


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seekhelp, I did not interpret your comments as negative. I agree with you. It is complex.

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dr k needs to train many more people in his protocols.

he is very smart. i have used several of the methods he suggests for not only lyme but previous ailments/injuries and they were fantastic. too bad that so much of our medial system would shun off his approaches as voodoo.

anyone know of anyone else besides a.r. that is deeply trained in his methods for bugs?

thanks

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"anyone know of anyone else besides a.r. that is deeply trained in his methods for bugs?"

Yes does any1 know if any of the DR. K "trained"
doctors throughout the country really deal with lyme with as near the precision as Dr. K does?

Oh and btw if anyone knows who a.r. is please pm me. thanks, JL

thanks, JL

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thanks for the info.

i find it interesting that he doesnt put much emphasis on abx and uses rizols.

something i know gigi has experience with, but due to the pricing i will be unable to try as of yet.

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Hi there [Smile]

Here ya go, I converted the PDF to text for you. Someone else will have to do anything else needed as I'm in the middle of one wicked Herx!!


Biological treatment of Lyme disease:
The Klinghardt Protocol(based on over 900 successful treatment cases)


The treatment of Lyme disease requires 4 distinctive steps:

1.Decreasing toxic body burden/unloading the system
2.Improving disturbed physiology
3.Decreasing microbial count
4.Immunemodulation


1.Decreasing toxic body burden/unloading the system


Sleep

*Low EMF (turn off all fuses, sleep sanctuary, turquoise


light/photon wave to increase melatonin and non-rem
Delta sleep)

*Non-toxic/allergenic bedding material (cave: flame


retardants/PBDEs)

*Avoid light/noise pollution at night



1. Unloading the system


Toxin elimination

*Remove intestinal biofilm: 1 tsp clay followed by
1 tbsp fiber laxative for 6 weeks, prior to do
anything else
*Adress genetic glitches (methylation, sulfation,
acetylation)
*Mercury and metal detox (ORS, sound cracked
chlorella, nanonized chlorella and cilantro, EDTA
chelation)
*Solvent and carbon based detox: glycine, laser-or
homeopathy aided detox
*Colonics and lymphatic drainage, rhythmic cranial
and liver compression
*Dry skin brushing and warm/cold showers
*Swedish sauna and Toxaway ionic foot bath



1. Unloading the system


Detect and resolve interference fields:

*Scars
*jaw infections and devitalized teeth
*Chronic localized infections (tonsils, appendix,
sinuses, etc)
*dysfunctional autonomic ganglia (superior
cervical, sphenopalatine, pelvic ganglia, etc.)


Remove ``allergenic triggers'' from environment

*Food allergies
*Volatile organic compounds from carpets,
furniture and paints
*new car smell (phthalates)
*Newspaper and office printing ink
*Work/profession related compounds



1. Unloading the system


Removing psychological toxins

*20 minute writing exercise to overcome past
trauma
*Family constellation work to resolve trans-
generational issues
*Applied Psycho-Neurobiology to resolve conflicts
and severe trauma
*Regular time spend in healthy nature
*Regular massage
*Qi Gong, Tai Chi or Meditation


Removing structural blockages

*Optimize the dental occlusion to restore cranial
lymphatic pump
*Craniosacral therapy to improve fluid dynamics in
CNS
*Visceral manipulation to improve organ function



2. Improving disturbed physiology(vitality, detox, immune responses, tissue repair)


Biochemistry

*Assessment via lab work or ART -correct what is
missing and what is too much (hormones,
minerals and electrolytes, glutathione, sulfur,
etc.)
*Genetic testing: find minimal bypass nutrition to
correct for SNPs or gene deletions/mutations
*Diet: gluten and casein free diet, Specific
carbohydrate diet,Metabolic typing, blood group
diet or ART based diet
*Common deficiencies in Lyme: magnesium: has
to be given transdermal or via injection. Oral Mag
feeds spirochetes


Copper, zinc and iron are spent by macrophages
and appear in oxidized form in hair and serum,
giving the wrong appearance of excess



2. Improving disturbed physiology(vitality, detox, immune responses, tissue repair)


Neurophysiology

*Give the brain healthy rhythms: KMT technology
*Listen to Lyme entrainment CDs
*Spend time in nature
*Avoid disturbing EMF (chordless phones, cell
phones, wireless technology, home near airport
(radar), computer


Exercise

*Stretching
*weight lifting
*Movement (dance, Tai Chi, Qi Gong, etc.)
*aerobic exercise -avoid post exercise fatigue and
pain



3. Decreasing the pathogen count


Treatment of Lyme with ozonated plant oils (rizols). Rizols have

strong and specific anti-microbial properties, no known adverse long

term effects, are relatively inexpensive and are pleasant to take.

They have been used successfully since 1905

1: treat parasites, mold and anaerobes

Rizol Gamma (effective dose: 20 drops tid)

2: treat both RNA (Borna, etc.) and DNA (HHV-6, EBV, etc.)
viruses: Rizol Zeta (20 drops tid)

3: when on full dose of Gamma and Zeta, treat Babesia:

acidified sodium chlorite (``MMS''): 15 drops 1 hour apart, 2 days
in a row, once weekly for 4 -8 weeks

4: after 2 months on full treatment: stop or reduce Rizol Gamma
and treat Bartonella: Rizol My (20 drops tid)

5: after 2 months reduce dose of rizols Zeta and My to 10 drops
tid and treat spirochetes: add Rizol Epsilon and Jota, 10 drops
tid each

Always follow rizol with adsorbent (biosorption): chlorella (20
tbl), chitosan (1-2 caps), zeolite (1 tsp) or charcoal (2 caps)



3. Decreasing the pathogen count: the rizols


Rizol-Gamma

70% Rizol-raw material (ozonated castor oil treated with high
voltage electrolysis)

10 % clove oil

10 % oil of artemesia

10 % black walnut oil

Rizol-Zeta

69,3 % Rizol-raw material

10,0 % oil of artemesia annua

10,0 % clove oil

5,0 % black cumin oil

3,0 % moxa oil

1,8 % walnut oil

0,9 % oil of majoram


(
ozonatedcastor



3. Decreasing the pathogen countYearbooks of the Karl und Veronica Carstens-foundationAdress: Am Deimelsberg 36 45276 Essen, Tel. 0201-563050


File0032

3. Decreasing the pathogen countCarstens Report/Research by Gerhard Steidl PhD: Active
oxygen against pathogenic anaerobes -properties and
research results


In nature

Humans and animals:

Immunsystem

Respiratory chain

Cytochrome P450

(detox enzymes)

Plants:

Endoperoxide<<<>>>>


Synthetic

Peroxides

H2O2

Ozone

Magnesiumperoxide

Organic Peroxides

Ozonide (rizole)


Endoperoxides and Ozonides

are identical in structure and properties



3. Decreasing the pathogen count: microbial inhibition by rizols


1. Inhibition (culture medium)
Pathogen: Candida Aspergillus Aerobe B. Anaerobe B.
Rizol-raw ++++ ++ ++ ++++
Ozone water ----------------------------
2. Agar dilution testPathogen Candida Aspergillus Aerobes AnaerobesRizol-concentr.
1,25 %+-------++
2,50 %++-------+++
5,00 %++++++++++
10,0 %++++++++++++
symbols:------no inhibition
+minimal inhibition
++moderate inhibition
+++good inhibition
++++very good inhibition



3. Decreasing the pathogen countHydrogenperoxide H2O2Ozon O3H-O-O-HO-O-OEndoperoxides in plants:


File0016

Trioxolan (rizol ingredient): comparisons with
endoperoxides


File0015

3. Decreasing the pathogen count
Zoologie

3. Decreasing the pathogen countThe Steidl/Carstens studies


Biological effects

..The ozonides transfer oxygen and change the environment
in which anaerobic pathogenic germs live, making it aerobic
..This prevents anaerobic germs, such as Clostridia, from
multiplying
..The oil is surface-active and, with its active substances,
moistens the intestinal mucous membrane where nests of
fungi and bacteria and parasites might be located
..The rizol constituents have been found intracellularly and in
the matrix (indicating anti-microbial activity both intra-and
extracellularly )


Cell toxicology studies:

..mitochondria are not damaged,
..OECD test for mutagenicity produced the result: not
mutagenic.
..Normal human cells are guided into apoptosis (beneficial
and genetically pre-programmed cell death)
..previously damaged and tumour cells are destroyed
..no adverse pharmacological effects were found in numerous
cell culture tests



4. Immunemodulation


1.Enderlein remedies: treat immune responses to
mold: Pleo Nig, Not, Muc, Fort, Pef, Ut and UT-S, Lat
2.Auto-hemotherapy or auto-urine therapy (2 ml
biw)
3.Buhner herbs (``5 in 1'' mix from BioPure) 8-10
dropperfull in 1 liter water
4.Adjunctive physics based immune modulation
tools(BioTools):
*KMT frequency-based biofield treatment
*Health Light super LED treatment of focal areas
*Valkion: singlet oxygen energy delivery via inhaled air
or drinking water
*Photon Wave or Jae Laser immune modulation



Medical drugs


Occasionally the use of medical

antimicrobials is beneficial in addition to

this program (ILADS recommendations)

Top of the list:

*anti-virals (Valtrex and Valcyte)
*anti-fungals (itra-and voriconazole)
*anti-parasitics (Alinia and Biltricide)
*antibiotics (with above program,
minocycline, and anti-Malarials
work again!)



Contact


Dietrich Klinghardt MD,PhD

Office: 425 823 8818

Academy: 425 462 8414

www.klinghardt.org

www.klinghardtacademy.com

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A.R. is www.nurseandi.com] with the green laser, Skasys, and a hundred other tricks on Lyme. She worked with Dr. K. for many years and is still working with him in certain areas. She is most capable and has helped us through many difficult situations to this day.


Take care.


P.S. Our visiting dog Sumi 16 years old couldn't walk anymore when she came. I gave her a few seconds of green laser on the rear and she is outside roaming around!!!!

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Thanks, Scott, for this valuable information! [kiss]
I just wish I understood it all. [bonk]
Hey, no complaints here!!! [Big Grin]

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Hey, MusicMan . . .

besides being a musical wonder, you are far better at computer science than I. I tried to convert from pdf to text but could not get it to copy. After a rest, now my afternoon homework will be ready to read.


So, many thanks for your thoughtfulness and taking time although you are not feeling well.

I hope the herx settles down now.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GiGi:
[QB] A.R. is ]www.nurseandi.com] with the green laser, Skasys, and a hundred other tricks on Lyme. She worked with Dr. K. for many years and is still working with him in certain areas. She is most capable and has helped us through many difficult situations to this day.


Take care.

Gigi,
Thank you for the information. I will contact her.
I just read her large section on Laser light and the NASA and (Dr Pop) German research. Do you think she could be someone who might pioneer the Bionic 880 here in the states?

thank you again, JL

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5 yrs later and 100k poorer you're still sick. I am sorry guys but I followed these protocols to the T with a Klinghardt Dr, had all my metal taken out, metals properly detoxed and ONLY REALLY GOT WELL after 2 yrs of the right abx. Low dose and pulsed.

Just hate to see people follow blindly and lose everything they have when many get better on abx and proper vitamin/detox methods without spending an arm and a leg.

Don't get me wrong, I think Klinghardt has good intentions but I truly believe there are many new people on here who would do very well with proper abx treatment without getting distracted.

Many end up seeing the wrong practitioners and going from one alternative cure to the next with no progress. Don't waste time people, see an LLMD.

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quote:
Originally posted by Myco:
5 yrs later and 100k poorer you're still sick. I am sorry guys but I followed these protocols to the T with a Klinghardt Dr, had all my metal taken out, metals properly detoxed and ONLY REALLY GOT WELL after 2 yrs of the right abx. Low dose and pulsed.

Just hate to see people follow blindly and lose everything they have when many get better on abx and proper vitamin/detox methods without spending an arm and a leg.

Don't get me wrong, I think Klinghardt has good intentions but I truly believe there are many new people on here who would do very well with proper abx treatment without getting distracted.

Many end up seeing the wrong practitioners and going from one alternative cure to the next with no progress. Don't waste time people, see an LLMD.

Myco,
I hear you. But I face the exact opposite position as you. I have only treated babs so far- with 3 herbs over 3 months, and my doc wants to start me on abx asap.

But here's the thing I feel so toxic that I could collapse! I truly do not think I will be able to handle the abx.

Could it be that your time detoxing (granted maybe too much time!) is part of what allowed you eventually to get well on abx? Indeed maybe there is some other detox protocal that would be cheaper and simpler? thanks for your experience! JL

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I wonder what Dr. K means in his Powerpoint that his current protocol is based on 900 lyme treatment success's. Indeed 900 sounds like a good number of newly healthy people. However, based on how many cases and over what period of time and on what protocol? JL
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Thanks Steve White for copy and pasting it.

Tried to take it in but will need to come back later and try again.

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jl123 :
5 yrs later and 100k poorer you're still sick. I am sorry guys but I followed these protocols to the T with a Klinghardt Dr, had all my metal taken out, metals properly detoxed and ONLY REALLY GOT WELL after 2 yrs of the right abx. Low dose and pulsed.
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I strongly beilive that this is what made the ABX to work in the first place.I have spent $$$$ and so many protocoll to detox , remove my cavitations, mercury , cleansings...before I found that I had lyme.

YES I beilive that that was the only reason that I got well with 7 TICK BORNE illness...I had them ALL.

Otherwise I could not have survived.If you read others DETOXING is MORE important -MOSTLY in the begining.Read Dr J S book also -He says you need to bind neurotoxins before YOU EVEN think to through the drugs in the TOXIC environment...

So never regreat that you did what you did...YOU DID the best favor to your body that other could not afford...

My ABX cost nothing comparing to cleansings that I have done and the amount of $$$ that I have spent on them.

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Sorry, but never felt as dramatic a change as when I began low dose pulsed/combo abx that hit all stages of the bug. YOU CAN"T DETOX AN INFECTION.

All of my EF sensitivities, chemical sensitivities etc...went away after following a low dose, combo, 2-3 yr protocol.

Detox and vitamins are important but use common sense people. If you had syphillis would you detox it out of your system?

Sauna, light exercise if possible, whole food vitamins, probiotics, C, b-12, controls porphyria reactions to abx, and stick the course with a long term, low dose 3 abx combo.

Too many lyme patients jump all around with their treatment. I did for a long time and regret I didn't take the abx sooner.

Just hoping some newbies will see this.

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Sorry, but never felt as dramatic a change as when I began low dose pulsed/combo abx that hit all stages of the bug. YOU CAN"T DETOX AN INFECTION.

All of my EF sensitivities, chemical sensitivities etc...went away after following a low dose, combo, 2-3 yr protocol.

Detox and vitamins are important but use common sense people. If you had syphillis would you detox it out of your system?

Sauna, light exercise if possible, whole food vitamins, probiotics, C, b-12, controls porphyria reactions to abx, and stick the course with a long term, low dose 3 abx combo.

Too many lyme patients jump all around with their treatment. I did for a long time and regret I didn't take the abx sooner.

Just hoping some newbies will see this.

Myco,
Yes I am certainly a newbe to tx, but I had this- what I thought was CFS, for about 7 years now. Of course I want to go on low dose ABx, but I've become very ill over the last year- I can barely handle my babs treatment. I understand that Dr. H says that babs makes lyme 4 times worse. I've eliminated yeast/gluten for a year and I still often urinate yeast particles-especially after taking GSE drops, and if I so much as attempt to eat a piece of bread I'm down for the day, so yeast is obviously out of control for me. I ask you this seriously, can I start abx now? Can my immune system,adrenals handle it? thanks, JL

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Your immune system has to lower bacterial load before it heals. The yeast is a result of the infection. Pulsed Mino or Doxy, add Pulsed zith when you can handle it, then a pulsed cyst buster later like tinidazole or flagyl. Eventually the viruses and yeast will be dealt with.

Thats all you need to know.

See cpnhelp.org for best info.

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You also cannot get rid of infection long-term without appropriate detox. The level of one is the same as the level of the other (toxins and infections). You can take antibiotics and maybe get some short-term gains, but without the other aspects, it likely will not last.

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To Myco's comments I would like to say:

There are many that call themselves "a Klinghardt doctor", but in reality there is only one.

I pretty much followed this protocol to the T. And it took me five years, but I got well. That was almost eight years ago, and I have been well ever since. The Rizoles did not exist at that time, but I know it is a heavy part of his protocol.

The protocol is not followed alike with every patient. ART testing really effectively dictates the protocol. If you come to him with infected teeth, root canaled teeth, bad wisdom teeth sites, there is nothing else he will do until that is corrected. He will also help you deal with unresolved emotional conflicts if that is the case. It is necessary for healing.

Metal detoxing can take many months or many years for most people. It is one of the reasons people became ill with Lyme in the first place.
Infections settle in contaminated body terrain and pathogens won't leave until the metal toxicity and many other environmental toxicities are removed. Unless this happens, the body is suffocating.

With the now Bionic880 treatment, things look different. The photons wipe out the infections and then the toxins seem to flow out very readily. That was never the case before we had the Bionic.

Dr. K. very readily prescribes antibiotics if they test well for a patient energetically. He will not prescribe them if a patient cannot handle them well and they block his autonomic nervous system. In that case, they do not serve any good cause.

I had enough antibiotics in my regimen to kill almost anything. But I took very short courses of them and only the ones that tested well for me. Consequently, I never suffered these enormous herxes that many people are so happy about. I don't know what a herx feels like. I may have had a bad or a better day once in a while. But I cannot relate to herxes.

In my opinion also, slowly releasing the toxic load is the only safe way to survive Lyme without collateral damage. Woven in between were many of the other modalities he mentions in his protocol. Some of them were not known in the late nineties when I was treated. But the simple idea of unloading toxins mixed with antipathogenics whenever it fit the patient's condition I feel is still the best way to go.

ART, as he teaches it, is one of Dr. K's most important assets of the protocol. If a doctor does not do it well or alters it, chances are that the outcome may be somewhat different.

I justed wanted you to know that I am one of the 900 successful cases and am very grateful for it.
I am now trying to get my husband totally well also.

Take care and be well.


Best to you all.

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MusicMan beat me to the "work". Nice Job too!

I started converting this PowerPoint presentation last night, but ran out of steam.

Just finished it. For those who would like it loaded on their computer in a MSWord format - email me at [email protected]

There are a few pages of graphics that won't transfer. In a couple of cases you can locate those yourself on the internet if you are interested.

My computer EMF is very noticable today. Time to get going.

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Gigi,

I personally know many Klinghardt patients who DID NOT GET WELL and followed his treatments for years. They did however get well on abx, some of them were so sick by that time it was almost too late for them.

Enough said.

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Myco,

While I'm on the low dose abx, what do you recommend for detox/yeast etc.? Also if you know of someone in the ny area thats combines detox with abx please pm me. thank you, JL

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There will always be outliers that don't get well with any protocol. Dr. K does use Antibiotics when necessary. In general, I find that people that work with Dr. K do very well, myself being one of them. I do not find the same for antibiotic treatment alone.

My recommendation is to have a local LLMD that will work with someone using antibiotics where necessary and then work with Dr. K as a consultant that can help to guide the treatment, detox strategies, etc.

Dr. K has been a bright light in the darkness of Lyme in my opinion (and experience).

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It would be nice if DR. K could try to offer a clear view of his lyme sucess's. How many lyme patients does he treat? 2 tousand? 5 thousand? JL
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I did not understand why Dr. K says not to take mangesium orally, but to do it transdermally or IM or IV. It all ends up in the blood, right?

So, if MG is feeding the spirochetes no matter what way you get it into the body it will find the spirochetes or am I missing something here?

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About feeding spirochetes - a body that does not have enough magnesium will have very serious problems. However we do it, whatever plan or method, we simply must have magnesium for our cells.

When I first was dx with lyme, on doctor told me to take no vitamins as they would feed the lyme. Well, my body suffered terribly for that advice.

I understand that methods and forms may need to be specific but we simply cannot starve our bodies of any nutrient. We would die long before all the spirochetes.


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quote:
It would be nice if DR. K could try to offer a clear view of his lyme sucess's. How many lyme patients does he treat? 2 tousand? 5 thousand? JL
Dr. K. sees only people with chronic diseases, from cancer to ALS and many others. Most all of them have Lyme, about 99.9%. That may give you a picture - some people get well, some pass on, and some can't get well because they can't see him often enough or he is not available on a day to day basis. And some people, like I did, get very well. He will therefore be always my hero. No matter what the grapevine says. Many people follow "a" Klinghardt treatment protocol and alter it to their own convenience. Some don't master the ART the way it has to be mastered. And some people are not getting well for many other reasons. This type of treatment of the severely ill is not a contest of who picked the most apples! There is Lyme and a lot of other problems to be repaired, and sometimes all the efforts do not bear fruit. That is life in the real world.

To treat a chronic disease, Lyme, it takes a very broad and thorough approach. It will rarely ever succeed any other way. Lyme never is just Lyme.

Take care.

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Dr K seems to have some very good ideas, according to my LLMD, who incorporates some of his protocols now (the latest being Rizols).

However, some stuff that Dr K talks about seems very odd--like people injecting themselves with their own urine. I don't understand the logic of that....?

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I would not recommend people inject themselves. Even though it is probably the best medicine around, other precautions have to be considered.
It's sort of dumb to report this here as "Dr. K. does it" facts, out of context.

Haven't you ever been in the woods, been stung by a bee: Best recipe - pee on it!

During the war: soldiers injured - the first thing they do if there is no other immediate help - pee on it! It's the least expensive homeopathic and has been used millions of times.

Auto-Uro Therapie was around a few hundred years ago - go read up on it before you ridicule out of ignorance.

And if you want to know if you are equipped to father or mother a child, toss a lentil into his or her urin -- if it sprouts - get ready if that is your desire.

And did you ever hear about the pregnancy test with a copper pot, a sewing needle, and the female's urin?

All happened a long time ago and is still practiced and written about!

Take care.

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No one has a miracle cure for this disease. In my experience, however, Dr. K has a very well-thought out approach and people that stick with him working in conjunction with their own local LLMD do improve. I am one of them.

I personally have never seen a Lyme patient improve long-term on antibiotics alone. I just don't believe that it happens.

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You might want to learn more about the auto-urine therapy. I did it for over six months and I had more of a herx on that than any other treatment I have ever or likely will ever do.

It not only wakes up your immune system to the infections but it is a wonderful treatment for balancing Th1/Th2 response and for auto-immunity.

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I know plenty about auto-urine therapy, thanks. My LLMD who knows Dr K well, and I, have talked extensively about this.

I have vowed never to get into the "debates"/borderline wars that some folks on here get into, mostly when Gigi is involved. But Gigi, I gotta say......great and valuable the information you provide on this forum is, I can't help but take offense at your antagonistic posts....they ooze with scorn and contempt of anyone who dares question what YOU do. What's your beef?

Good grief.

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I don't think GiGi has any "beef". Instead she shares freely her knowledge. People can do what they feel is right.

I for one would not be where I am today without the great information I have learned from GiGi. She has been a blessing.

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Scott- thanks for all your input...very informative. Have a few questions, how do you afford all these supplements and what are you taking for Lyme and Bartonella? Is it working?
Thanks

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did anyone notice for babesia Dr. recommends using MMS? That validates it ...
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To clarify Dr. K's approach:

I was a Klinghardt patient for many years. I hardly ever tested well with ART (energetic testing) for abx and therefore only took it for very short periods at a time.

All Dr. K. patients are tested with ART before any med or supplement is recommended to them. Not everyone can tolerate MMS and not all his patients are taking it.

If it does not test positive indicating people can handle or tolerate it, it is not part of the individual's protocol. Frequent testing is important.

Take care.

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As I wrote before, he told me that MMS will get babesia extracellular, but not intra.

And anyway, MMS is used only short term (one or two days a week for maximum 2 months, if my memory is good).

Only MMS will not get it all, his words.

Selma

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Need clarification, see below. Anyone?
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Top of the list:

*anti-virals (Valtrex and Valcyte)
*anti-fungals (itra-and voriconazole)
*anti-parasitics (Alinia and Biltricide)
*antibiotics (with above program,
minocycline, and anti-Malarials
work again!) What does this last part here mean, anti-malarials work again?

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I'm not sure what it exactly means, but I can only talk about my own experience following the right hand of dr. K. who treated me while I had babesia.

I tried Riamet, that was great for fast symptom relief, but babesia kept coming back. Then added artemisia annua, artemisinin, turmeric and whatever fell on my hands. No success with babesia, still kept coming back. That was in 2005-2006.

I went to see the naturopath who found viruses in my brain, and I received some herbs + KMT sessions in the head for it. Brain fog got much better after. It was the first treatment I received.

Then I needed to treat some GI parasite, so again, she told me to use the KMT and herbs (don't remember which, I gotta go back to my notes). The KMT was sooo strong in the GI area.

I could only do 5 or 10 minutes a day. Every day, I increased about 5-10 minutes more. The whole GI program takes about 5 hours, if my memory is good. I had loads of sweats during the program, it WAS doing something there.

My babesia then disappeared with few drops of Noni tincture in very short time (about a couple of weeks), never to return.

Until I got reinfected in 2007, with a new bite in summer.

I guess, what dr. K. means is merely that if you don't treat what your body wants in the good order (he cites parasites, viruses and fungi), babesia treatment won't work well.

I didn't treat fungi to get rid of babesia though, but treated viruses and GI parasites.

Each person is different, but I think the slide gives a general idea. As Gigi says, each person is tested for what s/he needs to treat.

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Sending up - for this updated work. Many changes from the 2006 work.


Since this is well into page 2 of the thread, I'll post the link again that Scott started with in case someone is jumping in at this point:


The latest from Dr. K on Lyme:

http://www.klinghardt.org/LymeProtocol08.pdf


"The Biological Treatment of Lyme Disease: The Klinghardt Protocol" - 2008


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off topic!!

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PUBLIC HEALTH ALERT NEWSLETTERS LATELY~ have they stopped?

don't know if you can pm me back or not since you don't allow them; they have such good info in! thx scott [Smile] betty

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