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i live in the most endemic spot on earth for lyme and coinfections.
there are 2 homeopaths here that claim to have cured many people of chronic infections, even people who were on abx for a long time and didn't get better.
so i am thinking of stopping abx and going homeopathic.
but of course i am scared. but who really knows how the long term abx route will treat us in 10 years??? is it worth taking the chance?
does anyone know of successes with homeopathics???
thanks
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I personally know of 3 naturapath doctors who go to llMDs. These NDs feel abxs are necessary in part for the cure of Lyme and other tick diseases.
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and i am wondering, do they recommend doing the first round or a period of abx then stopping to go the homeopathic/etc route?
my nd in ct told me to go abx once i got diagnosed, then to call him for treatments after the round of abx, which he assumed were to be 6 months to a year since i went a while before dx.
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the nd i speak of is a classical homeopath and is very experienced in many illnesses. he won't be the one treating me post-abx.
i have been on abx for 7.5 months. before i head to germany in january i am quitting abx. when i return, i am hopefully not going back on them...
instead i plan to use a classical homeopath.
the two i have in mind have treated and "cured" many people with the bugs. i cannot get specific protocols because it is different for each person. each practitioner said i could be on one abx while on homeopathics, possibly two.
i spoke with one person who struggled for 20 years with babs and lyme and others and went and saw some respected llmd's and never got better. when she stopped the abx with these llmd's she went to one of the homeopaths i have in mind. it took 9 months and she has been totally symptom free since.
it just so happens that one of the homeopaths "had" lyme 3 years untreated before getting proper dx. she did a short abx course then all homeopathics. she claims she is good to go. i know her protocol was homeopathics and mind/body approaches as well.
so i dunno but my llmd is probably taking me off abx in a couple of months anyhow, to try out herbs.
but i wanted to hear more success stories with homeopathics.
there has to be many people who were put into good health with it, i'll bet we just don't hear about it since so many people who have gotten better don't post on the forum.
thanks again
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John,
well, given what you say, it does sound the this may be a good thing to consider.
You are lucky to have such experience right in your neighborhood, so to speak. I hope this works out for you.
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John, I used homeopathy extensivelly for lyme and previously to lyme too. I am still treating myself with homeopathics now for candida.
Homeopathy in my experience, will not heal you from lyme. Some people here in Europe also claim that it is possible though (peter alex). I didn't go to him, I went to my classical homepath.
The Bionic treatment is somehow, homeopathy too, right? But it got the boost of the Bionic... These borrelia nosodes, ingested, haven't cured me from lyme.
I would advise you to go to herbs while off abx. They work like abx (even better in my opinion), they don't usually ripe your intestinal flora nor poison you with chemicals, they act more broad spectrum than abx, but you gotta find a good protocol.
For borrelia, Buhner's herbs are excellent. For coinfections, you gotta add other Chinese herbs, in my experience.
Of course, maybe you don't want to buy all these stuff because you're waiting to see dr. W. They don't cost much though, because you buy them by pound and they last very long. You are probably going to need them after returning from dr. W. to treat coinfections.
Classical homeopathy is a good help to support other treatments, in my long experience with it. It can do wonders in chronic conditions but it usually is something that takes time.
For infections, it is not that effective, I mean, when infections are active and need to be addressesd fast. Not in our experience. Unless you are using the nosodes, isopathy, that many homeopaths use. But as I told you above, for lyme, it never cured my chronic infection. It did cause me herxes though, including Ledum homeopathic.
It is good to boost the immune system, deal with some persistent symptoms, avoid catching new infections, etc.
IF I were you, I would go to 1stchinese.com, buy Buhners herbs to substitute borrelia abx. If you'd like to deal with coinfections, you gotta do a longer search to see which herbs are good, and buy them mostly there in the same shop. They have lots of stuff.
You can still go to see your homeopath, but I would have plan B just ready in case homeopathy won't be enough.
I never quit homeopathy for cleansing all my organs during herxes, for supportive things (classical approach), but I do find herbs more 'sure' when dealing with strong active infections. Except for candida and fungi, homeopathy and isopathy are working MUCH BETTER than herbs.
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I also keep reading that bartonella reacts well with bart nosodes, but I never fought it this way (as I didn't have the nosodes in hands when I fought bart twice). I used only herbs.
I guess, like always, there are things that work well with homeopathy and isopathy, and other problems that don't. And it varies from person to person.
I would combine energetic tests with classical homeopathy (or any type of homeopathics) to make it less a matter of trial and error.
I forgot to say that, even if I don't think homeopathy cures lyme, I think it was a very valuable tool to put me where I am (remission). It acts in a totally different level than abx and herbs, or supplements.
I never left it away, it was always a parallel treatment, so I don't know how much it really helped me. But as I told before, for lowering the number of pathogens fast, either isopathy and/or herbs are much faster.
Isopathy works closer like abx-herbs, even though one needs very little of a right dilution or potency to get a reaction (herxes, healing).
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Brussels,what is isopathy?
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Isopathy, giving nosodes or other remedies supposing to be equal to the disease is not according to traditional theory of homeopathy, therefore the therapy is not "homeopathy" but related to homeopathy and often used with it. Hahnemann:
� 56 Sixth Edition A third mode of employing medicines in diseases has been attempted to be created by means of Isopathy, as it is called - that is to say, a method of curing a given disease by the same contagious principle that produces it.
But even granting this could be done, yet, after all, seeing that the virus is given to the patient highly potentized, and consequently, in an altered condition, the cure is effected only by opposing a simillimum to a simillimum. (Organon)
Mostly homeopaths try to give the simillimum, this means not giving the remedy equal but similar to the disease. In psychology similarity appeal to the associative abilities, this is well known in education when working with metaphors.11
There are some forms of isopathy for example: nosodetherapy and tautopathy
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My best therapy was a combination of:
Isopathic nosode series remedies for Bartonella, Borrelia, and Babesia (in Borrelia remedy) from Deseret Biologicals
Homochords of these products used with Ligtworks Nosodes of other pathogens used with Lightworks
Teasel Root called SpiroNil
Artemicin
Andrographis
Bicillin substitute with Metronidazole (Flagyl) - used for about six weeks, it worked well but gave me fungus from the dark side
My total abx intake was about 8 weeks in one year combined: 6 weeks of penicillin and pulsed metronidazole, a week of amoxicillin, and a week of Clindamycin.
various agressive Fugal and Candida treatments
Bee Venom ointment from beevenom.com - I personally think this stuff is the best borrelia killer and cyst buster out there, just my opinion.
Sweats and multiple detox products, mercury chelation, and parasite cleanse
Bach remedies for emotional detox
I didn't do classical homeopathy - just nosodes
Personally, I think energy testing for specific pathogens and treating them with nosodes in series therapy or homochords with biophotons is an excellent way to go.
I wonder if your homeopathic physician deals with these, or just classic Hahneman.
I am quite well, but can't say for certain that I am "cured." I think I have lyme well under control, but am still dealing with some random resistant bacterials and fungals.
I'll keep chasing this stuff as long as I have to, but am now sticking mainly to nosodes and light.
I spent many a long summer day at the Gunks. I blame it on the chiggers!!!
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I use Bruhner's Core Protocol. I take Andrographis, Japanese Knotweed (aka Resveratrol) and Cat's Claw and I SWEAR by them. I was on and off of antibiotics for a year and I couldn't stand them. I got almost every side effect imaginable and felt horrendous. I can tell the Core Protocol works because I herx whenever I begin it. I hope to never need antibiotics again. Homeopathy all the way. Taking antibiotics I felt as though I was slowly committing suicide because of all the toxins it was putting in my body and how weak I was getting. Now, my case isn't as severe as others, and I realize that antibiotics are crucial at certain points, but I refuse to take them for years and years, especially since I would probably still be sick.
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Hey BEJOY ! You mentioned Babesia from Deseret Biologicals. As far as I know they have Borrelia that has EHRLICHIA and BABESIA included but not just BABESIA.
Is that what you mean.Yes BARTONELLA is in a kit and I have tried it myself a year ago.
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Yes, Babesia and Ehrlichia are in the DB Borrelia series remedy. Bartonella is by itself in a series remedy. Edited above.
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Pepper, great to know Buhner's herbs are working well for you. I also swear by them (I used them for years since 2005), I know they do work wonderfully well for borrelia, but I don't have the same experience with coinfections.
You can also add stephania, it's was much easier for me than Japanese knotweed and it's a wonderful herb to take long term, in my experience.
When you are done with andrographis (it only kills the active form and when the infection load is high), you could also add eleuthero. I took andro for about one whole year, I think. Cats claw for almost 3 years!! I'm a great fan of herbs too.
But herbs ARE NOT HOMEOPATHY.
Homeopathy contains no 'herbs' inside, lets say, not in an amount that would be considered of any use by any herbalist.
Homeopathy can be done with anything, with herbs but also with pathogens themselves (like the bartonella nosdes we're talking here), with drugs, suplements, minerals, hormones, even with smashed ticks, bees and organs like liver or thyroid.
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