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I'm doing so well on my lightworks protocol, I want to share.

Also, I want to be clear that I believe there are many ways out of the lyme jungle. You have to pick a good protocol, whatever it is, and stick to it with all your gumption. This particular treatment happens to be the one that is working amazingly well for me.

I was diagnosed two years ago with lyme, bart, babs, brucella, and who knows whatever else. Was having trouble getting out of bed, or functioning, esp after 2:30 in the afternoon.

Found out along the way I also have or have had klebsiella, strep pneumonia, mycosporidia, mucor race, and a good case of mycoplasma.

Treated lyme, bart and babs agressively for a year with complementary everything I could get my hands on, and got better. Then spent a week in ICU with my daughter, and just a few minutes of sleep. Got worse, then got better.

Took a long emotional sleepless road trip, got worse, and then got better. My father died in a small plane crash, and I got worse, and now better.

I'm using the Lightworks with nosodes from Deseret Biologicals. I quit doing anything for myself for Nov and Dec. Then beginning Jan I started up the lightworks and nosode protocol I had been using.

Three sessions of this in two weeks seems to have kicked out the corkscrews, along with a nasty case of meningitis I was having.

This protocol is working for me. Proof's in the workout. Sunday I had the best ski day I have ever had in my life. Hit the bumps hard, and gave my sigo a few pointers.

Today I did the full Navy Seals workout - an hour and a half of hard calisthenics and weight lifting. Okay so I did one third of the free weight suggested, but hey I'm a girl and a lymie.

Not only that, but my hydrocortisone intake went down from about 17mg a day on little exercise to 12mg a day on heavy activity.

Oh, and I forgot to do my B-12 shots the last several days.

That's how I gauge my recovery - on how much prescription meds it takes to keep me awake enough to cook dinner and do the dishes after, then fold some laundry.

This is still a very experimental protocol. It is based on Woitzels work with Bionic 880. I wouldn't call that experimental, as he has a great track record for recovery.

I have tremendous respect for his work, and I attempt to emulate it. The Lightworks is a different machine, and I'm not Woitzel, so the difference.

So I've done LYM in a small clear vial taped to my solar plexus, ten to fifteen points with the Lightworks, three times at 40 minutes each. (NOte: My first treatments with lightworks several months ago were UNDER A MINUTE EACH, and I still felt pretty tired and sick the next day.)

The first two times using this protocol this January I got very tired the day after. Each time I got congested lymph in the neck and arms that I clear with muscle movement.

I also take a pile of supplements, including magnesium, MSM, and biotox elim, and do sweats at 106 several times a week.

In addition, I have used Venex bee venom ointment daily.

All of this I do according to dousing, or energy testing of some sort. I don't think it would work nearly as well if I did it randomly. My advice for people wanting to try this protocol - first get a biotensor and learn how to test for what products and amounts will work for you.

I still have at least one more treatment left in me with this product for lyme and co's, then I am moving on to other pathogens. I have not started to treat mycoplasma yet, and still have chronic strep.

I want to be clear that I started this protocol initially when I was already almost well. I had recovered my strength and my life over a years treatment, and began using this protocol with new lyme flairs that took me down, but not way, way down.

I can't say how it would be for others with a longterm case starting from scratch. Of course I can't say how it would be for anyone else at all, besides myself.

I just want to post in case somebody else out there can get similar amazing results to what I am getting. I'm also eager to share notes with others who are doing this so we can look for some consistent patterns.

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Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:

forhead A, B, F
base of scull A, B, F
throat - B
thymus (below collar bones) - B
above navel - B
below navel - B
inside wrists - C
inside ankles - C
Ears - C
Bottoms of feet - C
internal organs as needed - B
lymph nodes as needed - C
gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F

I started out at a total of about 20 seconds, and now I usually do about a forty minutes at a time.

I use muscle testing to determine which settings and for how long at each position. You can use a biotensor for this.

Some people seem to get results without nosodes and some people don't.

I do use nosodes. You have to get good at muscle testing to be effective at this, I think, or else have a paractitioner to work with who can help you test for how often and how long to use the nosodes with the light.

I have used too many nosodes at a time and gotten completely flattened for several days afterwards. I wouldn't want to see that happen to anybody.

I have been using LYM from DB. This is a combination of several nosodes. If you are new to treating lyme, I'd certainly start with something else.

My preference would be to start with the Bartonella Series Remedy, then the Borrelia Series remedy, then move on to LYM - less pathogen information in the mix in that order.

I understand there is a website where you can buy Deseret Biologicals without a doctor's order. I still feel very strongly about using some form of good energetic testing to make your choices.

I am rather professional at testing, myself, but I still go to somebody else to help me check and double check my products and timing.

Please go slowly and carefully.

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Bejoy,
Someone just started a Lightworks group on www.lymefriends.com. I'd be thrilled if you would join the site and contribute to the group. I am getting one soon and your expertise is unmatched.

Will you join us????

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Thank you, Bejoy for sharing this.

I've copied and filed all your posts on using the Light Works.

I'm still going very slowly at it right now. I think immune allergies are holding me back so I've ordered the allergy testing from Allergie-Immun and will do the drops.

Maybe if I can get some of that mess out of the way, I can move along faster with the Light Works. For me, this has been a powerful machine and I've had to be careful.

I do have a Biotensor which is a tremendous help on what frequencies and amount of time I should use. I do a lot of detoxing too.

Did you begin the LW's treatment without nosodes?


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Bejoy,

Wht will you do with the chronic strep? Have you found a nosode for that? Hiker53

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I think I did two Lightworks sessions before beginning nosodes. I started out very slowly. The first one was just a few minutes, and floored me, so I backed off to under a minute for quite a while, especially once I started nosodes.

The strep pneumonia vial came from my chiropractor. He made a copy for me. I think the original probably came from ergopathics.com

Wow, I'm sore today. But I was able to back down to 10mg of cortef. Amazing for me. Any time I've tried that before, I fell asleep at the computer, and woke up the next day with raging cold sores. So my immune system and adrenals seem to still be happy about this whole project.

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Thanks for posting. I will take note of your experiences...

All the best for continued progress!

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I have a question regarding the nosodes. I am using the photonics light machine now, but have not yet used it with nosodes.

I did get the bartonella series and borrelia series from deseret, but they came in the brown glass vials. I have heard from others, that we need to transfer these to clear vials. Where do you buy these clear vials?

I am combining light treatment with rifing and having amazing results. I would like to add the nosodes to the light treatment now.

I have done three light sessions with the photonic machine and I definitely get a little achey afterwards, but it goes away quickly.

My bacterial load is very low, so I am able to use it for over an hour. I do 5 minutes at 10 points and then use it on my lower back/hip area for pain (i don't think this pain is related to lyme).

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I used the lightworks last night and am miserable today. No nosodes. Auto cycle on navel area. Maybe I am in denial, but this can't for real be a herx? I a flushed and my tremors have increased. No fun. If this is a herx, it hit my cns. Can it do that? I hope I am not getting worse. Also a little breathless as well. Robin62
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quote:
Originally posted by maureen2174:
I have a question regarding the nosodes. I am using the photonics light machine now, but have not yet used it with nosodes.

I did get the bartonella series and borrelia series from deseret, but they came in the brown glass vials. I have heard from others, that we need to transfer these to clear vials. Where do you buy these clear vials?

I am combining light treatment with rifing and having amazing results. I would like to add the nosodes to the light treatment now.

I have done three light sessions with the photonic machine and I definitely get a little achey afterwards, but it goes away quickly.

My bacterial load is very low, so I am able to use it for over an hour. I do 5 minutes at 10 points and then use it on my lower back/hip area for pain (i don't think this pain is related to lyme).

How do you do both, Maureen. You have the EMEM?
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Robin,

How many seconds/minutes did you use the Light Works?

I would say you are having a reaction to the LW machine. It kick-starts the cells into making more ATP or energy in each cell.

Are you detoxing a lot? One thing that has helped me (thanks to Bob) is drinking fresh lemon water all day long. Cut the lemon in 1/4ths.

I've had to really start out slow (only 3 or 4 minutes) or my reactions are too strong. I also can't do it every day or even every other day.

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I have been using the LW for over an hour everyday with nosodes. Last night while using it I got chills and EXTREMELY tired... but when I was done I had a little more energy and actually slept well... Not sure it was LW or not??

Very interesting though and I will be charting all of my reactions.

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A supplier for clear vials:

http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=12

I use the 1/2 dram size.

I'm still doing great. High energy and focused (all on a relative scale of having had lyme all my life.) I'll probably treat for lyme still once or twice a week for a while.

Strept symptoms in jaw and microsporidia symptoms in bladder demanding attention. They are next before I can go after mycoplasma.

Got my test kit with numerous vials from ergopathics for variety of lyme bacteria and co-infections. Time to test them all.

Came down with an inflamed eye yesterday. Eye dock says scleritis.

I'm down to 10 mg Cortef a day. That's a very big deal for me. Today I'll try for 5mg, and see if I end up with cold sores from the dark side or smooth sailing. The eye inflammation could be part of coming down too quickly. Don't know.

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quote:
Originally posted by karatelady:
Robin,

How many seconds/minutes did you use the Light Works?

I would say you are having a reaction to the LW machine. It kick-starts the cells into making more ATP or energy in each cell.

Are you detoxing a lot? One thing that has helped me (thanks to Bob) is drinking fresh lemon water all day long. Cut the lemon in 1/4ths.

I've had to really start out slow (only 3 or 4 minutes) or my reactions are too strong. I also can't do it every day or even every other day.

Sandy

I got into my infrared lamp sauna and felt better. Started back on chlorella. Was doing clayand fiber. My adrenals can't take much. I did the full auto cycle without nosodes, thinking it would not be that bad. I still am not sure it was a die off... but... ??? I will continue to use and see what happens. I was messed up there for a while. Will try the lemon. Thank you.:-) I would love to continue to hear other experiences. Planning to get those vials to experiment with the nosodes.

Is there anyway to target areas... like use on spine and head to get CNS? Or does it matter where you use the light? Does it need to be on the specific points?

Robin

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Can anyone order those vials from Ergopathics???

Thanks!!

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quote:
Originally posted by bejoy:
A supplier for clear vials:

Got my test kit with numerous vials from ergopathics for variety of lyme bacteria and co-infections. Time to test them all.


Bejoy.. are these homeopathic vials or energetic and it doesn't matter?

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The ergopathic test vials are computer generated. They are not nosodes made directly from the pathogen, but copies of nosodes. I don't know if it matters.

The one I have used so far was effective. I can't say how different a hand potentised nosode might or might not be.

At the moment I am getting a reading from the lyme test kit on one borrelia, the two vials of lyme virals and from two of the vectors (ticks themselves.)

It makes me wonder if there may be other unidentified pathogens contained in the ticks used initially to create this energetic signature, that I have not run into in other testers.

Good news is not a hint of reaction to Bartonella or Babesia. I treated both of those heavily with DesBio and also herbs. Looks like those are fully a thing of the past.

Mycoplasma is still a mystery to me. I react to most of the vials in the box, but some more strongly than others. It may just be that similar mycoplasma energy signatures would help my body deal with the one I have.

I'll have a practitioner test with these kits on Tuesday.

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Thank you, bejoy. [Smile]

I am reading a thread here on Bionic 880 and amalgams.. recommended NO amalgams while treating. Anyone with amalgams using the Lightworks and are you noticing anything negative as far as mercury mobilization, funny taste in mouth, etc?

Thanks!
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What do you all think of using detox and drainage homeopathic remedies? That should work too?

As long as the homeopathic support an action or an herb sends its message...

What about heavy metals and chemicals? The energetic vial would help clear those? What about the substance itself? That sounds more risky to me..

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has anyone found freqencies that seem to work more than others? Then, on the reverse of that, ones that work less for activtion of immune reaction... example: I used the inflammation frequency on my lower back alone and nothing happened other than I think the pain reduced.. then, I only used for 4-5 minutes as opposed to completing the autocycle placing paddle on navel area which was followed by an intensity of tremors and breathlessness into the next day/ herx or coincidence, don't know yet. Robin62

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Is there anyway to target areas... like use on spine and head to get CNS? Or does it matter where you use the light? Does it need to be on the specific points?

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That's amazing Bejoy! I'm really happy for you. It's so wonderful for you to share. Robin asked some great questions. One I'm wondering about is there a way to order the nosodes without a practitoner?
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You could have a friend who is a nurse, social worker, or massage therapist order from ergopathics for you. I think they just need to know that you are a "health practitioner."

Or you could explain your situation and ask for an order without a professional license, and see what he says.

I do think that specific frequencies on specific locations promote additional benefit.

I can't say what you have to do to make this work. I can only say what is working for me. This protocol is loosely based on Dr. Woitzel's work with the Bionic 880.

Reprint from above:

Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:

forhead A, B, F
base of scull A, B, F
throat - B
thymus (below collar bones) - B
above navel - B
below navel - B
inside wrists - C
inside ankles - C
Ears - C
Bottoms of feet - C
internal organs as needed - B
lymph nodes as needed - C
gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F

I started out at a total of about 20 seconds, and now I usually do about a forty minutes at a time.

I use muscle testing to determine which settings and for how long at each position. You can use a biotensor for this.

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I ordered from ergopathics myself, no problem at all. They didn't even question me about it.

I am not using the light therapy and rife at the same time. sorry, i wasn't clear about it. I use them both, but not at the exact same time. I have the EMEM and the Doug Coil machines.

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How many days a week do you use the LW??

I have been using it everyday this past week but not always with the nosodes as I am experimenting.

Tonight I was feeling HORRID.. SOB, Dizziness, head pressure, joint pain, muscle pain, fatigue, slurring speech, slowed speech, unable to get words out, feeling off balance and heart palps, These are my daily symptoms but in varying degrees of intesnsity...

I just finished using the LW for an hour and am feeling better.. not completely but symptoms went from a 9 to a 5 and I find that very cool!

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I use lightworks with nosodes two or three times a week with nosodes, depending on dousing/muscle testing.

I generally only use one, or sometimes two nosodes at once. LYM is several nosodes together, but I can tolerate these because I have done the big ones individually in the past.

Good news - I sucessfully treated a recurrence of interstitial cystitis with a urine autonosode made from a duplicator machine, placed in a vial. It had been very painful. Now it is halfway better. I'll treat again today.

I helped a friend use lightorks this week. We did a 30 minute session with a fungal vial she got from an Assyra practitioner.

Shortly after on the same day I got hammered with heavy flu symptoms. This is consistent with previous fungal herxes I have had before. I also suddenly got a painful inflammation of the eye. I don't know what it's about yet.

It may or may not have something to do with the above autonosode treatment, however, I reacted directly after the session with my friend.

I think I inadvertently treated myself for the same or similar fungal issues she is being treated for.

I had my hands directly on the tops of her feet as I shown the light through the bottoms. What was I thinking?

On the one hand, I may have been just lacking in careful protocol and feeling invulnerable. On the other hand, it felt right to do it. On some level my body may have known that I needed the treatment, and so I put my hands on and kept them there.

It also makes me wonder if I may have been inadvertently treating her for energies I carry in my body. Not too wise, without checking all these variables carefully.

Biophoton users be warned when working with others in the room. We don't know entirely the power and nature of what we are playing with.

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Bejoy, congrats on your treatment, I'm glad you are feelign better.

I suspect the PE1 I have is MUUUUUCH more stronger than your lightworks. I would NEVER be able to tolerate even 30 minutes of treatment a day. I wonder if I even got 15 minutes in a day...

The use of nosodes DON'T test on pulsed mode for me, ever. Only on continuous mode. And the amount of time is only a couple of seconds in each accupuncture point, so the whole treatment with nosodes go no longer than 3 minutes in a day or even in many days (as the nosode stops testing in the days after).

I get strong 'no' to continue more than about 12 seconds in most points, and I usually use only 30% of potency. So I do believe the PE1 in continuous mode work more similar to the Bionic as the time that is tested is so small. I've been testing on other people too, and it is consistent, the amount needed is minimal.

I am also using Nogier, but without any homeopathic (they don't test simultaneously). THese Nogier frequencies are applied for longer time than continuous mode, and so far, what tests longer are the parts with longer term trouble, like GI and my skin from hadns and feet.

But as I said, I don't think I ever spent more than 15 minutes a day with all light treatments. The improvement I'm getting is almost next to unbelievable, it's just too good to believe.

I'm only taking coptis decoction twice a day, and as cleanser, taking mostly rechtsregulat and citrokehl +ubichinon. That is about all. I just took my Sanum products

My daughter didn't eat her birthday cakes because she fell sick, so I ate almost two chocolate and orange cake since Saturday, and got absolutely no flare from mucor or other critters. They even don't test anymore.

I only keep testing for a strain of mycoplasma, but without clear symptoms. I stopped herxing, i guess, more than 90% of my herxes dissappeared. I think it is because I treat with nogier frequencies, almost daily.

GI always wants treatment, my skin that had been sick for almost two decades too. Then a bit on my knee that got lyme arthritis long ago, then my skull, and some muscles that got toxins.

Somehow these Nogier frequencies push out toxins that are stuck, I start to believe. The PE1 is more potent than Lightworks, so it may reach all over the body, I think... Also because of the time needed for everyone around me, the time of treatment is very reduced and fast.

I gotta go now

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Thanks Bejoy and Brussels for sharing [Smile] I have problems with interstitial cystitis as well. How did you get the urine autonosode? I think Robin asked earlier if anyone had issues with amalgrams when using lightworks since this seems to be an issue with the Bionic?
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What is the difference between the Constant setting on the Lightworks (frequency 0) and the Continuous Mode on the PE-1? What frequency(ies) is Continuous Mode hitting or is that also frequency 0? Thanks, Robin
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Thanks for all the info everyone!

I don't know the answer to the mercury question. I still have 4 fillings left & I'm using the LW. I'm not sure if mercury is a big issue for me like it is with others.

Of course, no mercury is preferred but I have had numerous tests done for mercury toxicity & it hasn't been a big issue for me. Even if you get the fillings removed - it's still present in the body, environment, food...

I think some people may be more sensitive to it or have worse issues with it than I have.

It may be a good idea to give your body a rest for a day or 2 after treating with the infrared light. You can detox or drink lemon water in between sessions. I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it.

I'm not sure if stronger light really makes a difference. From what I have read, your cells can only absorb so much light... I believe I did get ill from using too much light, though.

Less seems better until you work it up. Even then, we don't really know if it can have an adverse reaction somewhere down the line.

I've read that some types of light can cause oxidative damage. I don't think infrared light can do this but it may be good to play it safe. Anti-oxidants may be helpful to take at some point.

I haven't done alot of energetic testing on this issue. Just mainly experience & research.

One word of advice - go slow & don't overdo it.

PS - Constant or continuous mode means the light is not pulsed - with the Nogier frequencies, the light is pulsed to a specific rate. With constant - it's just on, not pulsed.

Some people feel that the pulsations effect different systems of the body. Dr. Nogier did alot of research into this - hence - Nogier frequencies....

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OK. I'm trying to get this straight. I am technically challenged.. so.. please bear with me.

(1) Lightworks on Nogier frequecies with nosodes is good. Take it slow. Hit the points mentioned. Nosodes under tongue or in vial taped above navel.

(2) Lightworks on Nogier frequencies without nosodes unclear. Some say die off. Some say not a good idea, just stirs up the Lyme. ??

(3) Lightworks on Constant mode.. any comments? Would that perhaps helps with relaxation and repair as nonpulsed light is reported to do? Or is that like the Continuous mode on the PE-1 and possibly a "killing mode" as well?

Healing With Single Light Frequency

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=20000102232338

>>PULSED VS.CONTINUOUS LASER They discovered that if they used a pulsed laser light, the tissue healed rapidly. On the other hand, if they gave a continuous beam, it sedated the cell and killed the pain. When a single frequency pulsed light hit the cell, it actually stimulated the cell to start producing more protein than it normally does, and as a result, the cell would heal. Even when they took the light away, the cell continued its healing. The continuous beam had a reverse effect. It actually caused the cell membrane to relax; it killed pain, reduced inflammation and made muscle tissue relax. >>

I AM SO CONFUSED!!!!

Thanks for the feedback, Sparkle 7.

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PS - Constant or continuous mode means the light is not pulsed - with the Nogier frequencies, the light is pulsed to a specific rate. With constant - it's just on, not pulsed.

Some people feel that the pulsations effect different systems of the body. Dr. Nogier did alot of research into this - hence - Nogier frequencies....

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http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/nogier.html

1. (Frequency F, 73 Hz) For use when cellular activity is hypoactive, such as chronic recurring problems, nonunion fractures and chronic splints and for stimulation of osteoid. It is also helpful in activating humoral and endocrine functions. Field work has shown setting 1 helpful in stimulating (tonifying) acupuncture and trigger points and increasing circulation in areas being treated, such as wounds when past the acute stage.

2. (Frequency G, 147 Hz) For areas of yellow scar tissue that are generally formed internally on tendons, ligaments and sub-acute (lingering but not chronic) conditions. Field use has shown setting 2 to be helpful in reducing inflammation associated with injuries and infections. This is often called the ``universal frequency'' because most problems involve inflammation.

3. (Frequency A, 294 Hz.) For tissue of ectodermal origin, such as body openings, skin and nerve. Field applications include wounds, eye injuries and after surgery. Setting 3 tends to tone tissue while minimizing the chance of hemorrhaging fresh wounds or recent surgical sites. It is also good for the treatment of acupuncture and trigger points, corneal ulcers and ulcerated mucous membranes. This is called the ``universal frequency'' in acupuncture.

4. (Frequency B, 587 Hz.) For circulatory and lymphatic stimulation and treatment of tissue of endodermal origin, such as GI tract, liver and pancreas. In field applications, setting 4 has been used in conjunction with 5 and 2 for tendon, ligament, joint and other injuries where reaching secondary levels of tissue is needed.

5. (Frequency C, 1174 Hz.) For tissue of mesodermal origin, such as bone, joints, ligament, viscera and tendon. Field experience has shown setting 5 to be especially good for tendon and ligament injuries when used with 4 and 2. It also helps in relaxing large muscle groups.

6. (Frequency D, 2349 Hz.) For chronic conditions not responsive to setting 3 or 5. Field experience shows setting 6 to be a good supplement to 3 when healing processes appear to reach a plateau.

7. (Frequency E, 4698 Hz.) For pain control, primarily when C nerve fibers are transmitting to dorsal root ganglia and when involvement of neurotransmitters is of physiological importance. Field experience shows 7 to help suppress pain and to sedate acupuncture and trigger points and aid in diminishing excess calcification associated with chips, spurs and arthritic conditions.

The relevant settings for cavitation patients are:

#2 for anti-inflammatory effects
#3 for nerve involvement
#4 to improve circulation
#5 to encourage new bone growth
#7 for pain (if applicable)

PS - I think it's OK to use the LW without the nosodes. Just be sure to detox after.

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Brite, I made the autonosode myself by taking a sample and succussing and diluting 30 times. Not too hard to make, but they are much easier to make on a duplicator potentiser machine, such as the Eagle Pro, Metabolics Casio, or a Radionics.

The autonosode continues to help some, but isn't the whole answer for me at the moment.

For some reason my bladder is very suceptible to any infections I get systemically. I have treated the bladder for candida, lyme, and several other fungals and bacteria.

In my mind there is no such thing as IC. They are all infections that can be traced and treated. So "IC" comes and goes for me.

I have discovered that IC in my case probably relates to an allergy to Chlorogenic Acid. This is a component in coffee, olives, apples, potatoes, etc. It causes problems with mucous membrane. This may also be the problem behind a persistent gum and sinus issue.

See the desbio database http://www.desbio.com/phenolics.html

I attempted to clear this allergy with a chlorogenic acid energy vial and lightworks, but unsuccessful so far. I'll keep trying. I consulted with an accupuncturist today for ideas on making this process more successful, so we'll see.

I've been equally unsuccessful in convincing myself to give up coffee.

You can find references to the allergy to chlorogenic acid on Pub Med, so it's not just energy medicine esoteric.

R62, I don't think the light kills lyme. I think it just strengthens and detoxes the body, to assist the immune system in killing lyme. I think the nosodes inform the immune system about which specific pathogens to go after.

For me Lightworks and Nosodes has been phenomenal. I overdid it with light and nosodes shortly after the first post on this thread.

I had been doing great - and in fact am still free of meningitis symptoms for the first time since I can remember. I'm not sure how I survived it....

I got overconfident and treated two people for things for a couple of hours the day after I did a heavy treatment on myself for something else.

As it turns out I am very sensitive to molds and fungus. I knew that, but somehow I thought I could treat somebody else without getting the effects. Well she is now clear, but I just got a hard backlash. So now I have fungals and molds on my list of things to treat with some allergy elimination protocol.

So I am dealing with a bad eye infection that is systemic - GI and UTI as well. Found a good Sanum (nosode) today to go after it, so hopefully the light will help me kick it out.

Brussels, thanks so much with your help and encouragement with Sanum. Lots to think over and study, but I have a good start.

I'm still interested in the PE-1. From Brussel's reports, it is stronger and faster than Lightworks. Still for me, lightworks must be used with care, as it is strong medicine.

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Thanks for the update. You just have to keep peeling the layers of the onion so to speak. Cranberry juice may help but I think you are dealing with it on a more intense level. Just thought I'd mention it...

I think you can also do the crown of your head with the light. I believe it does penetrate the skull - which is good for getting any plaque or blebs, cycts, etc. that may be in the brain.

I was reading that Alzheimers can be caused by Lyme or a whole host of "modern" viruses & bacteria. Light, particularly at the 1072 wL, can be of help. I asked Russ at SOTA & he said they may consider doing the 1072 wL paddles. I hope so.

The base of the skull is good since it can get to the spinal fluid. Lyme cysts have been found there, too.

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Energetic testing has found mycoplasmas to be an issue for me. It's odd since I was tested 2 times - once by Dr. Garth Nicholson's lab & it was negative both times.

I've consulted with a chiropractor & got the Asyra reading. It said I had to treat a number of things...

Bejoy suggested mycoplasmas came up because it may be due to the pleomorphic forms of Lyme. Mycoplasmas & Lyme (in L-form, cysts, blebs, etc.) can be similar as suggested in a few studies I found.

Anyway- I used a pendulum & it said to do the Deseret Biologicals mycoplasma treatment with the LightWorks - not orally.

I ordered the clear vials, so I'm going to proceed that way when the vials arrive.

I also got some nice herbal combinations from the practitioner for my spleen, thymus, & adrenals plus some detox combinations (called TOX-EX & BACTO-EX). The brand is called InnoVita, which I never heard of prior to this.

They seem quite good from the list of ingredients but I just started them. I'll keep you updated.

Please post if you have any info regarding mycoplasmas.

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PS - FYI -
http://www.inno-vita.com/index.htm

They have an interesting concept & a good variety of products. I've been taking supplements for probably over 30 years... These seem like something new.

(I don't sell them or make money from recommending them.)

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You all are amazing. My heros!

I am going to call the PE-1 people and ask them more info on continuous mode... I just dont get the difference between continuous and constant.. tho I do get no pulsing frequencies with the constant because it is frequency zero. I'm guessing that zero frequencies is the 880 or 660 nm alone, which is then just light therapy.. so thinking thats not the same as Continuous on the PE. There has to be some difference.

I just cant find an explanation on the PE website what continuous means.. continuous what? I'll ask them and spare you all the explanation. I may be paying them for the trouble.:-)

I will be so thrilled with myself when I finally "get it" and am so thrilled about the prospects of photon devices.

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Sparkle, brilliant about getting the clear vial straight from DesBio. Why not skip a step, and some cost besides.

Are you getting the mycoplasma series remedy homochord tester? Would that be about $12. compared to about $55.? We keep boiling this down to simpler ways to do things.

I picked up Sanum treatments today, was told to get them injected IV one every three days. Got home and tested that I could get a more powerful effect out of one vial and lightworks three times, without the needles.

I've made a great friend who has a room full of more testers than I would have imagined. When I sit in that room I get dizzy, and sometimes tank.

(Seems I have lots of work to do.) Forgot to take the dimple direct approach, but realized when I got home.

Many approaches are good, but I'll go for the cheapest, least invasive do it myself therapy I can find.

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I ordered the vials from the place you mentioned, bejoy.

Good ideas to ask them @ Deseret for extra vials & also about the test package vs. the remedy!!! I paid $50 for the Mycoplasma set. I got it through Dr. G so I'd have to ask him for the test kit next time when it comes to getting additional remedies.

I wasn't sure if I was going to take the remedy internally or use the LW with it. I got a clear response from my trusty pendulum to go for the LW with it.

Figuring out where to use the light, for how long, & at which setting(s) will be a whole other excursion...

I don't think there would be a difference btw. constant or continuous. I don't have the PE1, though.

FYI - for a quick tutorial on an easy form of Kinesiology check here - http://www.circleofintention.com/Kineseology.html

I would like to get a biotensor but the pendulum has been working fine for me. It's about $300 more than I can afford at the moment. It's would be nice to have a Mercedes but all I have is a Ford right now... (so to speak)

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Okay, so to be clear:

DesBio sells the series remedy to consumers for about $55. This is a little kit of ten vials of different potencies.

You can get this kit, and transfer the liquid into clear glass vials.

Another option is to see if your practitioner can order you just the homochord, so you have all ten potencies in one brown glass bottle.

It may or may not be better to do the potencies one at a time, or all together. I don't know. I bet Brussels or somebody else would have an educated opinion on that.

The third option is to get your practitioner to order just the clear glass test vial of the homochord. I'm not sure if DesBio will sell test vials this way one at a time, or not.

The entire test kit of all their products is about $300. In the test kit you get homochords mixed together, but not the series remedies with the ten potencies in separate bottles.

Sparkle, I'll be interested to hear how the series remedy test for you - if the potencies are better individually or all together at once.

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I will take some fine tuning with all of this. I'm not too familiar with how all of this works with the DesBio remedies. I think the DesBio remedies are very good but I haven't had much experience with them other than reading their extensive catalog.

The idea of discerning between the homochord or test vials is very interesting. I will have to consider it further...

I'll keep you posted. I have to see if the clear vials will arrive today. They should be here soon. I already have the mycoplasma series set - so, I'll just go with that for now.

BTW- I have had dramatic relief from just using the InnoVita products! I would highly recommend them!

The Sanum products seem very good, too.

It was easier for me to go to Dr. G & get an Asyra. He recommended the direction to go in. I would never know how to begin without his objectivity & experience.

I'll see if it goes well. So far the InnoVita products have been phenomenal. I haven't even gotten to the DesBio remedies, yet.

It's alot to sort out by by yourself. Everyone is very different. We need some help to sort it all out. I don't think the "blue plate special" is the way to go for Lyme & the associated illnesses. We need individualized treatment.

It's just nice to know we can do these "forward" types of treatment without going to Europe.

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Hi Bejoy. I forgot about this thread. Thanks for getting back to me and explaining about the autonosodes. Sounds interesting. I'm a bit lost about how to use the desbio remedies. Do you use each potency one at a time when you tape it to your solar plexus? Or do you decide which potency to use via energetic testing? During a session can you use multiple potencies at the same time?
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Brite, that is exactly the question! I don't know.

I had already gone through the series remedies orally before I got a lightworks.

We are all still experimenting here. Even so, everybody is very different from each other.

Are you muscle testing or using a biotensor? Do you have an ART or kinesiology practitioner who can help you decide this?

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Hi Bejoy. I'm considering buying a biotensor and do know a kinesiology practioner.
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Brite, I've been thinking about it. There are many ways to do this, and we don't have any outcome studies whatsoever from this machine and these products.

I think if it were me, I might order the series remedy, and use it as directed. You take one vial every three days in increasing potencies. Then you could follow it by lightworks treatment.

You could take these internally or just use them in the vial. I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference if they are in the brown vials or if they need to be in clear ones.

Above all, I would test for amounts, potencies, and timing, and get the help of a professional if possible.

Given the option, I would spend the money to go to Germany to a professional who has the experience and can follow up with complementary treatments and IV's. But if you are up for experimenting, here are some ideas.

My thoughts are that it is better to go slowly, rather than overwhelm your immune system or your drainage systems. Err on the side of caution, as much as you can.

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HI Bejoy. Thanks for your help and advice:) I agree that going to Germany would be the better option. I think I'm too chicken to take the nosodes internally, I'd much rather use it externally lol.
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Robin, I guess the photons can cause herxes, even when only on Nogier. It is only a guess though, but my muscle tests say that some Nogier are killing.

Robin, I guess it matters where one uses the light. At least, that is what muscle tests say to me. The latest treatments we've been doing WITH nosodes are applied on:
-r+l inner wrist
- R+L ears
- top of head, back of head (upper part of the neck, MFT4, both sides)
- third eye
- R+L thyroid
- Thymus
- belly button area (specially a bit under belly button), tailbone
- MFT 8 L+R (under the arm, height of nipple)
- back part of knees
- r+L feet (soles)
- R+L palms

Sometimes one point doesn't test or other points test (like front of knee for my daughter, inner elbow for me, but in general that's the treatment we do). We used about 1 or 2 seconds on direct mode (non pulsed) on each point, at about 30-40% of potency (PE1).

As for Nogier, I use targeted on specific problems. Mostly one frequency per problem. Only short term.

As for constant and direct mode, I guess they are the same (not pulsed)? In the PE1, the light is simply not pulsed, like if you turn a torch on. I can see some of Nogier flashing when frequencies are lower (programs A, B, C for example) but when frequencies are higher, I can't see them pulsing anymore.

I don't follow much the instructions from Nogier as they do seem a bit confusing. I go for energetic tests. There's a pattern in the end, deeper tissues needing faster frequencies for example... I feel it's easier with muscle tests in order not to overdo treatments.
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Bejoy, the dark bottles didnt' work for us here.
We needed the clear vials. We did a treatment with dark bottles, in the end of the treatment my daughter was still needing to ingest the nosodes... With clear bottles, the answer is always 'no'.

Bejoy, for my daughter, her mycoplasma seemed to be very much sensitive to Nogier and my muscle tests said that Nogier killed her mycoplasma. She was on other treatments, so who knows what is helping in the end... My lyme doctor found two strains, pneumoniae and I forgot the other.

Me too, we test for about 2-3 times a week with nosode treatment.

As for many potencies of nosodes simultaneously, we are using this type of treatment for both myself and daughter. So far so good, bearable herxes, nothing too bad as expected. But again, this is muscle tested and we're on lots of homeopathics for cleansing.

Tomorrow, my daughter will go for a D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D15, D30, D60 from her autonosodes, then I will add a D15, D100, D200 borrelia from Stauphen if they continue testing like they did today.

and I'll try the whole series of stauphen for me, from D5 to D200 (10 nosodes) as they keep testing now for me. I'm a bit afraid, but I have to be faithful to my muscle tests. That's what I've been doing.

I think my daughter will stand it because we already did this multinosode in smaller scale a couple of times. I'm not sure about myself though.

I'm testing for most Buhner's herbs and a complete rizol mix, plus rubbing of bee venon on my EM rash, so... My borrelia got active after I treated my daughter with her autonosodes....

Bejoy, when you say the kit with all ergopathics is about 300 dollars, you mean, all the parasitic- bacterial ONLY, or do you mean, with all the others (food allergies, geopathic stress etc) INCLUDED?

Would you know to which 'potency' would the pathogen vials come in the kit? I paid MUUUUCH more here in Germany, but they are normal nosodes mostly in potency D6.

thanks for the info.

Selma

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Selma,

Ergopathics has kits for all kinds of things. You could spend thousands on them. I have no idea what potency they are, but they test as very weak. When I use them I put them on a copier potentizer machine to copy and potentize them to the strength I want.

This is all so esoteric, sometimes I don't believe I'm having this conversation. But it is working very well, so that's what matters.

Here's a link:

http://www.ergopathics.com/products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20&zenid=0dbed2258ebfe4e5df3a8ff3c899c9b9

The lyme and the mycoplasma kits are each $75. I found the lyme kit especially useful because it has Borrelia Garinii, which I have not found through any other company. I tested neg for any mycoplasma in the ergopathcs kit.

I had tested positive for the DesBio mycoplasma, but don't anymore. I remember now that that is one of the vials I played with right after a lightworks session, so who knows.

I use Nogier simultaneously with nosodes. It works for me. I think for me it is an added benefit, especially B setting for organs that carry pathogens. But I also think constant would work well on lightworks.

Trust yourself with your testing. You have the skill, and you can do this! You are amazing.

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I believe that the Bionic treatment by Dr. W uses 10 dilutions of Bb at once. I don't know if it includes the different strains of Borrellia - which may make a difference. I think it's the standard Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato. There are quite a few strains, though.

The DesBio mycoplasma set has different strains in one remedy at the same potency. I think that may also be the case for their Lyme set. I believe their Lyme set has the co-infections included, too.

So, the treatment is a bit different regarding the different homeopathic brands. It takes some find tuning & using the BioTensor or Applied Kinesiology to focus in on the precise treatment. I think it can be done with some variations provided you are OK with doing some experimenting.

I tested for using the mycoplasma set with the LightWorks only - not to take it internally. I'm waiting for the clear vials to arrive. They should be here soon.

Thanks for the info about clear vs. brown vials. Do you know how much of the remedy is needed in the vial? I ordered some droppers, too.

What do you guys do with the remedy after you use it in the vial? Can it be re-used? Do you just save it for a future use?

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Thank you, Selma. (and all) Robin
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You're welcome, Robin.

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Sparkle, I think dr. W. has the garini too. I found a pharmacy with both garini and afzeli, but don't have them at home. I am using only the 10 potencies of borrelia burgdorferi from stauphen.

my daughter tested exactly as I said above, 2 borrelia nosodes, while others are her autonosodes with borrelia included.

I just put about a finger or two in the vial (about 30 drops if my memory is good?). I guess too little is not good, but too much is no deal (in my FEELING)!!!

I keep some of them to be reused after, at least, the lower potencies (I can repotencialize them after to higher dilutions if I need). Only to be used with the same person or inside the family though...

Once you potencialize in a glass vial, the glass vial will be imprinted 'forever'. You gotta use boiling water to get the homeopathic imprint out.

The problem is that glass can break it with boiling water. So the best of best is to throw the glass vial out and not reuse it. If you don't potencialize in the glass vial, I guess very hot water does the job. If you potencialize it in the glass vial, then you need the boiling water procedure, according to what I read.

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bejoy, thanks for the explanation... that's what I thought, these nosodes still cost loads of money.... I'm seeing them as investment though, slowly building up capital!

now I GOTCHA get out from my computer or I'll explode!

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Thanks for the info! I'm still waiting for the vials. The mail seems to be slower down here.

Rubbing alcohol might be good to use to clean the vials (?). Just a guess, though. I don't think glass is porous. We should be able to re-use it.

The caps may be plastic. I don't know how persnickety we have to be about all of this. I guess it has to do with one's temperament, as well.

In theory... if something is an energetic remedy, does it really matter how much you use? Seems a few drops would be enough...

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Side note:

I ordered the flu treatment kit from ergopathics on a whim with my last order.

I test as needing it this week (not today, already overloaded, but in two days.) One daughter also needs it. Other family members don't.

Little one and I are just kind of run down. We'll see if we can ward off the worst of the flu. Some people are getting it so badly, especially neighbors she plays with.

I already used the DesBio flu, but forgot I had this one!

The ergopathics has this year's flu vaccine, flu virus, global blood vial, and instructios for self treatment through holding the vials and Ellen Cutler's tapping method on several key points of the body.

Makes me think I can look at those key points and use with the light.

Also makes me think you could use lyme nosodes, and tap those points without the light, and get some results.

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I recently did a poll of 6 people who either wrote they were getting this gadget back on the "hysteria thread" several months back or had already got one. Three were from this board and three were elsewhere, on other boards treating Lyme.

Two from LN did not respond and they had claimed in that previous post that they were buying it. Interesting that they never even posted after that.

One person said it did not help them at all but she believes in the concept.

On the other groups etc. not one person said it did anything for them and they had given it at least a couple months. It was based on this information that I passed. I realize that 6 people are not a statistically acceptable data set to determine true efficacy, but when you get zero positive responses you have to wonder the validity of the people posting here.

I don't bother with this website anymore, well except to view old posts re legitimate treatment because there are just too many people who are marketers.

No, I am not saying the 2 people who have been promoting this product are marketers for Sota but you just don't know. They will come back after reading this and say they know several people who have benefited. How do we know this to be true?

Similar to those who hawk Dr. K in WA. One member has been 90% well for 2 years now and if you look at his website he's spending thousands. That is his business but when he and the other one come on and talk about how great this product is or this doctor is, one must ask the question why they are still in treatment?

If you're 90% two years ago and you're spending tens of thousands monthly, how can all those products you market be so good? And why is it that the practitioner alters his "treatment protocol" every single year to reflect what he is selling and is only available through him?

This is for the newly diagnosed, the people who post about these dubious treatments all work and live rather normal lives, save a few symptoms.

Editor, I did not personally attack anyone but this message will probably be yanked. If I was in the medical profession and didn't know much about Lyme, how much credibility would I give to an illness that is cured by magic wands, light, some clown who sees artifacts in the blood (Not Dr. F), the other guy who signed on as Dr. B? Don't get me going on detox.

Yes, I am fully aware that some alternatives are a valuable tool, but this is a serious illness, a possibly life threatening illness and your first line of treatment should be anti-infective agents.

Playing around with an overpriced gizmo and a magic wand is the last thing you should do, you're better off giving your money to Badoff.

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mynewname,

I have been well, to remission, back again to lyme on and off. When I'm off lyme (meaning really no lyme symptoms, no lyme treatment, no preventive treatment even), I can get my body invaded by other infectious pathogens to the point I sometimes can't live normally (like skin open with painful wounds, fevers etc).

Lyme goes in cycle. Lyme goes dormant. Lyme wakes up. And lyme disrupts your immune system that in the end, you'll have much more than TBIs to treat. No one treats lyme with the same regimen.

I can be 100% for a while in summer, in winter, I get back my other infections, and for some reason, I get a lyme relapse on and off. My treatment is totally different ALL THE TIME. What I spend monthly on treatment is also totally different.

I hope you find the magic treatment yourself and come here to post.

I'm the type of person that refused IV rocephin to my daughter, with swollen knee due to lyme because she didn't test ENERGETICALLY good for rocephin. Many family members went against my decision. She was supposed to be on IV rocephin to this day still, until the end of this week.

The fact is that after 5 days I pulled her off rocephin, she started sitting on her knee again and had no more any knee symptom. She's ice skating, going to dance course normally, and we're on bicycle lessons now. She's FULLY on alternatives, including autonosodes and PHOTONS!

It is exactly BECAUSE this disease is serious that we have all been looking for alternatives. In no way iv rocephin 3 weeks will be a warantee my daughter will heal from chronic lyme. Far from that. Specially because that was about all the hospital could offer.

Fortunately, not all medical doctors are of your opinion and many use energetic tests.

If you think you have a magic solution for chronic lyme sufferers, please post it here!

You sound exactly like the doctors from hospital trying to force me to continue on iv rocephin. Nosodes ARE anti-infective agents!! There are thousands of medical doctors who use homeopathic nosodes as anti-infective agents.

Many LLMDs from ILADS do sell supplements to patients too. There have been many discussions about that problem here in lymenet for years.

If you think photon therapies are not serious, why the heck the NASA has been researching on photon treatments?

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No one asked me my thoughts... & I'm the first person to mention about the LightWorks in regards to Lyme. I do not sell any products nor do I make any money from referrals regarding the LightWorks.

I got bashed from all sides & I continued to experiment. There is no "one size fits all" treatment for long term Lyme.

There are plenty of real scientific studies regarding infrared light & health issues. I just wish you would look them over first before going on about magic wands...

I don't feel like I have to defend it anymore. I don't care if anyone uses it or not. Some of us are interested in experimenting & posting our results so we can learn from each other.

If you don't want to use it, try something else. No biggie to me...

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This light treatment really is esoteric. The more I experiment with it, the more I realize there is to learn.

One of the most interesting things I have learned is that homeopathics and nosodes are powerful anti-infective agents, especially as used in a protocol with certain light frequencies.

This type of work is my passion, because I'm fascinated by it, and because it has helped to heal me and my family.

If you look at my posts, you'll notice that I also encourage and help people who are on antibiotics. I refer people to ILADS doctors, and have posted for friends trying to find them.

I prefer energy therapy, but I recognize it isn't for everybody.

I just want to see people get well, and I want to experiment here with progressive techniques with a great group of people who are in the same boat.

I've got to trust the newly diagnosed that if this therapy appeals to them, they'll read up. If not, they'll follow a good ILADS protocol.

As far as national or global health awareness is concerned, we have to start with recognizing that long term antibiotics do treat lyme, rather than ignoring the problem. Widespread use of energy medicine is way, way down the road.

Mynew, I found your query respectful, (although your references to the tools are derogatory) especially in the light of trying to get this disease respected by the IDSA, insurance companies, and the medical professional in general.

My friend, all lyme treatments are dubious, or this board wouldn't be here. Lets keep healthy conversations flowing, so we can continue to separate the wheat from the chaff.

And you're right, I'll yank the thread myself if it somehow turns into something other than the intended purpose of exploring a powerful treatment option.

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You are very diplomatic, bejoy! I wish I was as patient as you are.

Please don't remove this thread. It may be helpful to people now & many years from now.

I don't mean to sound like an authority on anything. I don't know much but the abx were making me worse.

I didn't invent the LightWorks - I just started comparing the different infrared devices & the LightWorks seemed to be the best for the least amount of money.

There are other devices available for people to use if they are interested.

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Hi Bejoy:

Please know that your posts are appreciated and if we are not open to new possibilites in treating lyme we will just stay stuck in this rut of "less than ideal" treatment that is now available.

I personally don't pay much attention to someone's opinion when they have no experience with the treatment they are dismissing and are just repeating ambiguous hearsay or putting their own spin on other people's words.

I am following the science on light therapy and even saw a science program on TV the other day that mentioned light as the medicine of the future. It reviewed a lot of medical therapy already using light.

So keep posting please and if anyone is purposely trying to hijack your thread the admins can remove it so you won't have to pull the thread.

After all this is a discussion of Lightworks as the title plainly states, not a platform for "dissing light therapy" in general as well as a bunch of other stuff having little or nothing to do with light but anyone is free to start their own thread if they want to do that.

Following the line of thinking that people discussing a product may be deviously marketing it is about the same as saying anyone promoting antibiotics is working for the drug companies.

JMHO

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I bought my PE machine after I read one of Sparkle's suggestions here in LN!! Just do a search here, I'm sure you'll find her old post suggesting these other devices!

She suggested me to take a look into Lumen or a Photonic Energetics. After I talked to both makers, I decided to go buy the PE1. If she's selling Sota, she should be fired!!

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Thanks Selma! I'm don't sell anything. My significant other sells textbooks but it has nothing to do with any health products.

It's just that the info is there to read about infrared light & there are lots of scientific studies about it. It's not woo-woo stuff.

You don't need to use any one device as opposed to the other but you want to get something that's going to be strong enough to get an effect.

The LightWorks is pretty good for $300.

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Bejoy,

How did you figure out which frequencies to use????

Have you tried using the nonpulsed constant mode like Selma is doing with the PE-1?

Thank you.:-)

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Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:

forhead A, B, F
base of scull A, B, F
throat - B
thymus (below collar bones) - B
above navel - B
below navel - B
inside wrists - C
inside ankles - C
Ears - C
Bottoms of feet - C
internal organs as needed - B
lymph nodes as needed - C
gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F

I started out at a total of about 20 seconds, and now I usually do about a forty minutes at a time.

I use muscle testing to determine which settings and for how long at each position. You can use a biotensor for this.

Some people seem to get results without nosodes and some people don't.

I do use nosodes. You have to get good at muscle testing to be effective at this, I think, or else have a paractitioner to work with who can help you test for how often and how long to use the nosodes with the light.

I have used too many nosodes at a time and gotten completely flattened for several days afterwards. I wouldn't want to see that happen to anybody.

I have been using LYM from DB. This is a combination of several nosodes. If you are new to treating lyme, I'd certainly start with something else.

My preference would be to start with the Bartonella Series Remedy, then the Borrelia Series remedy, then move on to LYM - less pathogen information in the mix in that order.

I understand there is a website where you can buy Deseret Biologicals without a doctor's order. I still feel very strongly about using some form of good energetic testing to make your choices.

I am rather professional at testing, myself, but I still go to somebody else to help me check and double check my products and timing.

Please go slowly and carefully.


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Deseret Biologicals and the company in Gernamy that also sells homeopathics.. they are the same quality? Would ordering from Germany mean radiation in transit?

What about some of Rainville's kits?

http://www.nurseandi.com/greenlaser.html

Thank you all very patient people...

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Robin, I don't know how these kits from Nurse Andi are. If they come in hundreds of vials or if the whole of pesticides, for example, are in ONE vial, and then the heavy metals in another single vial etc...

So instead of hundreds of vials, you would have just a few. I don't know, you gotta ask her or someone here can pop up and say.

If in separate vials, and if really homeopathic (not other type of product, but really based on real substance), I would buy these as the price is EXCELLENT.

If altogether, I don't know. I start to have the feeling that the treatment with photons work better when little information is sent each time. My FEELING. I hope others pop up to give their opinions.

I don't know if things like ergopathics would work as well as real homeopathics work with photons.

As for Desbio, Bejoy has more experience. I think they are real homeopathics and there are quite a lot of people in LN that used nosodes from them with good results.

The nosodes here in Germany cost a lot. They come individualized. I paid almost the price of my PE1 to have bacterial nosodes, fungal nosodes and some others related to tick born infections (I guess in all, I spent about 550 euro, about 800 US dollars).

If someone knows about Nurse Andi sets, could you post here (if the vials are all unique or come together)?

thanks too,
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I think any time anything is shipped by air it can be exposed to radiation... Do a google search of "air travel, radiation".

The post office used to ship by boat but it was discontinued about a year ago.

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Here is a link to nurse Andi's laser kit. Click on contents of vials to download entire list.

http://www.nurseandi.com/greenlaser.html

I'd love to have all of her kits. It does look like they come as individual vials, rather than say a "pesticide mix" or a "neurotransmitter mix."

I think her kits are brilliant, if you can afford this great little system. (I think it will help balance but isn't a lyme cure.) Not much in the way of bacterials, fungals, virals, polysaccharides, antibodies, etc, but fantastic for what it is.

I find I prefer to do nosodes individually, or just a very few at a time.

I have heard that you can safely mail energy medicine by covering it with aluminum foil. I don't know if this is true, but I'm going to find out.

I don't know if the DesBio nosodes are the same quality as the German ones, but they work well for me. I was told that many of them originated in Germany.

Robin, I have used the non-pulsed constant mode, and it works fine. I just find an added benefit in using Nogiers with the treatment. I chose them by dousing or muscle testing for them.

With so much practice, my dousing has gone auditory, so now I hear or feel the information in my mind rather than checking muscle response. I don't think I'll try to run that by the AMA for approval as a diagnostic criteria. [Smile]

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I have all of the nosodes from nurse andi. are you thinking these can be used with light treatment?

i have all of the kits. i bought them awhile back with the laser, but have never used them. just never took the time out to figure this out.

the other nosodes that i have are the borellia ones from ergo.... and the borellia and bart from deseret.

i was wondering the deseret nosodes have an expiration date on them (for consumption), does this apply to using them with light treatment?

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Liberal mantra - We wholeheartedly believe in free speech; that is unless you have a differing view than us. Did I ever accuse anyone of selling anything? No, but that is what it becomes.

Here is my FIRSTHAND polling results when querying folks re Lyme and Lightworks:

4 people from LN who claimed to have purchased this from the hysterical thread; my bad, forgot one in previous post:

1 - Didn't work, but "believes in the concept."

1 - She has posted on LN about her lack of results.

3&4 - Never replied nor have they posted on this site for some time. Conclusions anyone?

5 "Lymeblogger" - hasn't helped > 1 month of use.

6 Lyme egroup - Used it every day in every location for up to two hours a day. No progess noted in three months.

7 Patient of my old LD who spent $300 that she didn't have: No results in one month, returned to Sota, less the 20% "restocking fee".

I'm sure there are others who purchased these things and are too embarrassed to post their lack of progress. There were a few others on the hysterical thread who were claiming to have bought one or were going to buy one.

Where are their positive stories? I have five confirmed non responders and two probable, just from taking half an hour of time! I continue to search for people who have had success with this and the only 3 happen to be on this list and cheer each other on like, well, hysteria.

My only point is to post the other side that doesn't get known here; the side that it just simply doesn't work. I won't betray the known people who responded but if you can go back to that thread, sorry can't find it now, contact everyone who said they had either bought one or were ordering one and see the results yourself.

Any first year Physics student could tell you just go out and lay in the Sun to get your NIR light, maybe even use a magnifying glass to focus on the meridian points.

But hey, if ya want to spend $300 for it, thank you for supporting Canada's GDP. Don't let science or reverse testimonials get in the way of your musings and don't point people to a study that was performed by.....wait for it.....the very organization who is selling the product itself!! Now THAT is applied science!!

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Thank you for the thoughts on Nurse Andi's nosodes.

I was thinking of using some that would be appropriate with the LW when I start using it. The package is very intriguing.

Anyone get their nosodes from germany and they come protected in some way?

Are the ones from desbio the correct sequenced dilutions? (hoping I have that correct)

Thank you.:-)

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Robin, when you say "correct" sequenced dilutions, there is no correct here. There are just a few people doing something experimental and posting their results, sometimes positive, and sometimes not so.

There is no exact protocol of an kind to follow. I post here what I do, and what I have figured out for me, that's all. Others are doing similar things, but nobody I am aware of is doing exactly the same thing with the same nosodes and same equipment.

You can talk to some of the people who have been to use the Bionic, if you want to know what dilutions they are using in Germany.

DesBio has ten dilutions from 5x to 200x. You can also get a 1M and a 10M dilution. I use what I have available locally.

Again, I'd go to Germany and get a course of treatment from an experienced professional with a history of good results if I could, but that's not an option for me right now.

Those with German nosodes have mostly had them hand carried back, I think.

Mynew, when you say "it doesn't work" I'm not clear what you are referring to. I'm guessing that you mean that use of Lightworks all by itself doesn't cure lyme. I expect you are probably right, although I wouldn't know, because I have not tried that protocol.

Maureen, of course you can do whatever you want in the privacy of your home, with vials and biophotons. Nurse Andi doesn't have nosodes in her kit. Nosodes have the energy signature of a specific pathogen.

I have used several items also contained in the laser kit with my lightworks. Just whatever you do, test well, go slowly, and err on the side of caution!

I'm clear that biophotons with nosodes gets healing results. I'm in a very interesting ongoing conversation with a few people who are using several different kinds of light machines, and different brands of nosodes, with good progress so far.

I believe that the LYM product from DesBio along with lightworks effectively kicked out my meningitis, and sent my lyme load low enough that I have no symptoms again.

I also believe that I overtaxed my immune system by accidently using too many nosodes at once, and ended up with a serious systemic non-lyme bacterial infection that has left me half blind in one eye. I'm still fighting it after three weeks, and hoping I'll get my eye back.

The more I work with this light/nosode system, the more I believe it has potential to work very well, and also the more I believe there is potential to do harm, especially in untrained hands.

I got rid of my chronic neck aches, headaches, and difficulty with word search, and later exchanged it for my sight. I'm no kindergartener in this arena, but still I made some serious mistakes in the process of my experimentation.

If anybody wants to try this, go for it. We're all adults here. But don't be thinking that you can't get hurt just because it is only a flashlight and a bottle of distilled water.

People study homeopathy their whole lives, and find they still have much to learn. This experimentation is in it's infancy.

So here are some protocol issues I have decided are judicious for me to pay attention to, when using light and nosodes together:

Test carefully before using any products, and consult with a professional whenever possible. (Yes, I do that.)

Test carefully for amount of time and locations before using the light. Err on the side of not enough rather than too much. Get a professional to help you test, when possible. (Yes, I do this too.)

Give it a 15 to 20 minute rest after using lightworks, before touching nosodes or any other energy medicine products, or eating or drinking.

Use only one nosode at a time, unless I carefully test that I can handle more than one. Be extremely careful of autonosodes, as they carry so much information, and possibly a multitude of pathogenic nosodes.

Don't work on other people with light and nosodes, unless I carefully test that my system can handle it. Test if I need a full light treatment myself if I expose myself to someone else's treatment.

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Mynew, I have tried a photonic fabric (patents ad research from japan)(vivitex, you probably get more hits searching for vivirex as the item I bought originally comes from italy but the fiber comes from japan) after reading a few positive postings on a ME forum, (several people went from bed-ridden to almost normal activity)
and the knife in my head is much much better, so is the accompanying brain fog.
It came partially back around christmas, and I checked my cell phone, the mobile harmonizer sticker had moved out of its place.
I put it back to where is should be (it should be below the battery f the cell phone) (it is not my own phone, but hubby's so I did not want to stick it there permanently)

Dr. Woitzel has also noticed that treatment results with the Bionic 880 are not so good if patients live in the hotels in town and are exposed to lots of wireless radiation.
The results are good with those who live at the other place during treatment.

Also Ipods are supposed to have some kind of radiation that causes this kind of treatment to not work so well.
On another forum I posted something about feeling worse from cell phone and pd radiation, and there were many replies from people in the U.S. saying they had to spend less time on the computer because of ill effects.
I feel ill effects from a cell phone within two minutes, and have so for a few years. Shorter exposures seem to be okay.
I also use a pc harmonizer I bought from my wholistic practitioner.

Just my personal experience with biophotons and radiation and my brain fog/knife in head issue.

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MyNew, you never PMed me and I posted on here that I bought one. However--I haven't tried it yet! And don't chalk that up to lack of interest. I have to go slow with everything I do and am slowly building up a medicine cabinet of herbs, homeopathy, flower essences. I want to purchase nosodes and haven't figured out what to get yet. I had some setbacks in my home and with my hyperbaric chamber which have been hugely time consuming and distracting and HUGELY expensive so I have to lay off buying anything for a while now, but I plan to try it. I want to start with Lightworks and my Chee Energy device which both do Nogier, because I'm very sensitive.

I might move on to something stronger if I feel I can handle the previous two.

Bejoy thank you so much for your caution. I hope your eye gets better.

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Bejoy,

The people who went to Germany can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you hand carry the nosodes onto the plane. As they are liquid, I do not believe it is allowed. I think you have to put them in your checked luggage.

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I bought most of my nosodes from Meripharm in gErmany and they packed them with double aluminium foil. I didn't ask them to do so.

The nosodes crossed the border in switzerland, i don't know if they are X-rayed or not.

Sorry to hear about your eyes, Bejoy. I wouldn't wait to do an autonosode with tears.

i would do a D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D12, D15, D20 and D30 at first and test them, as infection is acute and apply light (not on the eyes, but beside it, trying to reach the eye nerve, not the eyeballs). And also apply it on the accupressure points Dr. W. recommends.

I would then prepare a D60 and let it sit a bit, waiting to see if it tests. If the infection is so strong, it will need some other kind of remedy, in my opinion. The photon treatment for us, so far, in our short experience with it, is working with chronic infections (lyme for both me and daughter) and with an infection that just started (strep to my daughter).

I tried to treat one acute infection on myself with autonosodes, but the photon treatment was not enough to releave symptoms fast, like it happens with borrelia, for example. I needed topical creams. When the infection was very acute (you can PM or email me for details), I needed a session a day with the PE1 following dr. W's accup. points. But as I said, it was not enough for fast symptom relief.

I wouldn't be afraid of autonosodes IF THEY ARE MADE FROM TEARS, not from blood. You won't be treating all your pathogens, Bejoy. I don't think so, but you'll be treating the pathogens from your eyes. If your problem is infection...

Good luck!

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Myname, you said:
"No, I am not saying the 2 people who have been promoting this product are marketers for Sota but you just don't know. They will come back after reading this and say they know several people who have benefited. How do we know this to be true?"

Sorry if I misunderstood what you said up, I thought you implied that they were Sota sellers as you said "you just don't know".

Anyway, you are right: this treatment is new and no one knows what are the outcomes.

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Brussels, thank you so much for the instructions on nosodes from tears. I am so grateful. I have been waiting to do this until I get my potentiser. If it works well, it will save me hours. I am very eager to try it!

I did make a weak nosode from tears. But it was only effective for a few days until I need something stronger.

I'm not worried for myself about using autonosodes, because I am already quite well.

What I meant was that I would strongly caution somebody who is very sick from lyme against doing something like a blood nosode as beginning treatment. Still, it might work for somebody if done well and tested for carefully.

When I squint, I can see the floaters in my eye, as if magnified. Masses of strings of spaghetti and meatballs. It looks to me like pictures I've seen of lyme spirochetes, granuoles, and cysts, but it doesn't test that way. Could be anything. Glad I have two eyes.

Thanks for your support everybody.

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