NanaDubo
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If I can chime in here - at the very beginning of this thread (maybe first few pages). There was a link posted that allows the ENTIRE site to be read in English - translated from German to Spanish to English I believe.
I bookmarked the thread but it does not seem to work when I forward it to someone. I am still able to use it to read their forum and all the responses from AI.
It has been very informative regarding chronic disease, allergies, fibro, and an endless list of topics.
If you find the link, see if it will work for you.
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I'm curious..42 pages of ihfo on this thread. 1,000+ posts. Up for 2 years now almost. Anyone consider themselves cured yet after all this time?
I'm shocked how few I've read actually completed treatment after such a long time period. I get concerned it's a road with no endpoint, but if somewhere on the road = 80-90% improved health, then that's all good.
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To GIGI: So are you free of lyme now or still have some mild symptom?
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seek - no one ever said it was an easy treatment. I'm sure many have dropped along the wayside if it got tough but there are many hundreds of people (or more) doing the therapy that are not on lymenet. I know of at least 8 myself that are doing AI and never heard of LN.
So, what you read on this thread is a small portion.
You ask if anyone considers themselves cured. Do you mean cured of lyme? I no longer had lyme when I began AI but being free of the things that allowed lyme to take over is a different story.
I have been in heavy detox mode for a year and it was only due to AI that I was even able to begin detoxing.
Detoxing will always be a part of life for those who wish to stay well.
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Seek, "cured" of what? Feelbetter, No, I do not have any symptoms and I don't have Lyme. Getting rid of toxic metals is not painful. More like having worked too many ours in the garden and sore muscles that come and go. That is mainly due to the lead (pb) that is stored in the long bones and moving out, gradually.
If you read the thread, you will learn that completing AI does not mean you are cured or have gotten out all the toxins you accumulated over a lifetime It also has nothing to do with curing a specific disease. Finishing AI means that all the errors/ dysregulations that have been found in the DNA have been corrected. When that finally happens, the immune system starts to function again and detoxing can take place. If the body were to detox all the toxins instantly, our organs would not be able to handle the flood. Gradually they leave, but it still means you watch out and support that none of it gets stuck again and reabsorbed as often happens with certain toxins. I am sure you are aware of this.
I would guess that most people on Lymenet are not dealing with the actual Lyme after years of abx, but mainly with the neurotoxins they leave behind and of course the collection of debris and dental toxins that most people accumulate when the body system is no longer able to handle them. Dead cells do not regenerate overnight - it takes time. I am always trying to picture where all the magnesium stearate is hiding that is in all the supplements we have been taking.
I have not had to deal with Lyme in many years, but merely dumping the metals and that for me is not a bad experience. I know it is happening, and I am glad for it, because I do not have to face them again. To me they caused the toxic terrain where Lyme was able to get a foothold in the first place. Not the other way around.
As Nana said, I think we are at a point where unless we are in an ongoing detox mode, we will be in danger of catching something we would rather not have. The dysregulations/allergies don't go away by themselves. Only a weakened immune system got us to fall flat. Many people are infected, yet do not get ill as many that post here. I was fortunate enough to have a doctor who helped me lighten the load (infections, dental infections, some metals, some chemicals, parasites, etc. early on into Lyme, and that helped me to overcome the disease a long time ago. AI for me is a matter of cleaning up the remaining heavy metals and dental toxins and of course supporting my husband while he is having a tougher time with all. Lyme for him is also long gone. Like most here, he was allergic to all major foods, metals, fungi/mold and unloading all of this is quite a chore. Luckily I did not have any food allergies and therefore no leaky gut problems and malabsorption which caused problems for many until they started and kept going with AI.
For me it was the best thing I ever did and wish I had known about it when I first came down with Lyme. It's a good thing we have a choice. So hope that you make the right one.
Take care.
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Chaps, the process doesn't really need to be cumbersome and if you do need to check something with Herr Grundmeyer during the therapy, usually someone will help out with translation.
So far as how the pocedure works: you send off a saliva sample or order their test kit and send the sample that way; you get detailed results and if you decide then to do the therapy, the cost of the test is deducted from the price of the AI therapy.
You are sent round 1 drops, take them three times a day for 2 weeks and then send another saliva sample, either immediately [given the delay in post between USA and Germany] or after 1-2 weeks.
You will receive abbreviated results and your round 2 drops....and so the process continues until your results show no further dysregulations/blockages. This may mean 3 rounds or may mean 23, for example. No extra charge is made for many rounds of drops except for postage reimbursement.
During the therapy it is better to concentrate on helping your body to eliminate [eg with 'binders' and minerals] rather than to overload the body with antimicrobials and 'killing' treatments. Antibiotics especially are not a good idea during AI treatment unless you need them for an acute trouble.
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ukcarry, you are a genius for spelling this out so clearly for Chaps. I am going to keep a copy in case you are not around the next time someone asks.
Thanks and take care.
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Checking in with my friends! I have completed the AI now for many months and am doing fantastic! Want to encourage those starting on the road to persevere, as it is well worth it!
A comment on the WART question on an earlier post. My daughter had many warts appear while on treatment, but had them off and on prior to starting AI. Now all are gone. They were pretty severe on her feet, (swimmers get those regularly), and one large ugly one on her hand. Now clear. She is still on AI.
I had one appear on my finger joint near the end of my AI therapy, in the exact place I had a scar from a wart in my youth! Interesting! It went away after a few weeks! I find it interesting how things come and go from past issues, revisiting them. Not pleasant experiences, but great to know they are now gone! Glad I went through it all!
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Please note that this link will translate all sections of the AI website including the Forum and responses given on the Forum by HG.
There is a lot of good information on the whole website. Wish I had more time. My husband still spilling out metals by the ton! And now also the fungi and mold.
If you test energetically for Vitamin A, consider it a viral flair caused by release of neurotoxins, mainly the metals. It usually does not last long - a day or so. It's always good to remember that all these invaders have set up housekeeping in us together. When one is forced out, the others are departing also. Metals, fungi with viral remnants in between.
Have a beautiful Sunday!
P.S. I learned years ago from Dr.K. and through my own experience that toxic metals often move to the feet (specific weight/gravity) or hands, or reproductive area low point - (men / prostate) and I am not surprised that viral warts and plantar warts are often in that area too. Meridians all end in hands and feet and where will toxins and "friends" go from there if not pushed out by some other means. Just trying to make some sense out of this.
Forgot, yes, the metals also move to the lower jaw! It is another favorite point and one reason why so many problems originate in the mouth. The bugs go where the metals destroyed the terrain and blood circulation/oxygen is not a problem for them. They are smarter than most dentists.
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Thanks Carry for the explanation. I didn't see it until just now have been incapacitated for a few days (see "What to Do About Hemorrhoids" thread).
I am eager to do the AI therapy. I am also eager to getting the amalgams out of my mouth as I have a lot of them.
I know that I should complete the AI first, then remove the amalgams, but there's a problem in waiting for AI to be completed. Three, maybe four of the teeth with amalgams are crowns with amalgam buildups. There is also some decay on these teeth and if I wait too long, the teeth might die and then I'm going to lose them 'cause I don't want root canals.
If the amalgams are removed by an holistic dentist with all the right equipment, shouldn't the mercury exposure be minimal enough to handle?
I just want to get this stuff done before things get worse and not cause myself more harm through analysis paralysis; waiting till this is done, that is done, etc., prolonging the whole process.
So what I'm proposing to do is the AI while simultaneously removing the amalgams, then chelating after I've completed the AI and amalgam removal. Is that a risky plan?
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Well, I'm taking the plunge! I placed my order last week. A little nervous......
I may wait just a few weeks before I send my first sample to AI because I have decided to move forward with having my last 2 amalgams out first. I found a dentist that is very, very careful about the whole process. I'm thinking it's best for me to have them out, rather than to be continually exposed to the vapors every day releasing into my system. Plus I have a cap that has been sensitive for some time. The porcelain cracked off on one spot and the metal is exposed. That can't be good.
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Im going to order the saliva test,but does anyone know can I still do the test when Im taking abx? will it affect test result?
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If you start the AI therapy now, within two weeks of the first bottle you get, your DNA is being corrected and the immune system should recognize the toxic metals, at least the major ones, and act accordingly, i.e. recognize them as toxins and do what a functional immune system should have been doing all along.
When AI does the first test, the toxic metals and food allergies usually are corrected with the first bottle. At that point, your immune system should start to recognize them (the toxic metals as toxins) and start acting the way it should have been doing all along. The same with the foods (wheat, gluten, corn soy, etc.) if they show up on your first test as a problem.
That does not mean that all the toxic metals are out of the system, but rather that the body starts to deal with them. The same with the foods, the leaky gut, malabsorption, and whatever else the foods caused are being dealt with via the immune system; the body should start healing.
Everything that is showing up on your first test, all the dysregulations that are marked on the test results that you will be getting, have been corrected, and for the body to really get the full message, you are taking the drops with the correcting frequencies for 14 days. The drops are infusing the new information, with the corrected frequencies.
If you take some time and read the website, you will learn and understand this.
If you go and have your amalgams removed before this correction is given to the body via the first drops, the body will deal with any fallout as it has done probably for years, i.e. pack them away with the rest of the toxins in the different body compartments and who knows causing more problems now or down the road. Many people who thought they had gotten rid of the toxic metals would be surprised to know what is left behind.
If one is allergic to the toxic metal, the body cannot release it; it also tends not to absorb the good stuff (minerals, etc.) if it has turned allergic to it. Read some of the Dr. Daunderer writings I posted recently. Dr.K. has been telling me this since 1998. But I did not find an effective allergy elimination method until I found AI. I tried all I could find. They did not last. AI is permanent for all intents and purposes.
The thing to do, if it were me, is eliminate the allergies/dysregulations so the body can do what it should have been doing all your life to help keep your body clean.
You need to learn to deal with binders and support agents to protect your organs. A doctor or practitioner who can muscle test is of great help. At least learn some of the energetic testing yourself, so that you don't have to constantly depend on someone and the next appointment weeks away. Many are doing it, but it takes to quit listening to the naysayers and the doubting thomases.
The body will step in and start mobilizing the toxins and we need to learn to deal with it. You don't need to hang on chelating IV's etc. Chelating is the wrong word, because there is no such thing. There are only mobilizing agents and at some point binders to guard from reabsorption and recirculation of the toxins.
Had I known about the existence of AI when I had the metals removed from my mouth 12 years ago, the only thing that makes any sense now is to do the test and at least the first bottle to "put the body on notice" to do the right thing. Without that it is asleep at the switch!
Take care.
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Can anyone please make suggestions on binders and support products (brands and dosages)? I don't yet have someone who can ART test me, but my LLMD does muscle testing. At least that is something. In the meantime, what products should I purchase to have ready?
Thanks so much for any suggestions.
Kindly, Tammy
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Feelbetter, when I questioned AI, you can take the test when on abx. But they do not recommend abx when you start taking the drops unless you have acute problems or need medicines for "life support". You can take a pain pill if you need to.
Have them send you their information booklet to clients in English. It is also somewhere on this thread. Maybe someone will remember the approx. date when others and I posted it. Look back about a year and a couple of months. There is info you need to read.
Take care.
Take care.
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Thanks Tammy. I've got a good biological dentist, although he's very expensive. I think I gave some specifics on this on another thread.
It's just that I've heard that even with the best dentist and the best removal practices, you still get some mercury exposure. Hard to imagine, with a rubber dam, high powered suction, clean-up tip, oxygen with triangular nose hood, dent-air vac, how can any of that stuff be inhaled? I've also heard that it can penetrate the rubber dam, but I thought that some chlorella, activated charcoal, and vitamin C can take care of binding that up and moving it out.
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Dear Gigi,
Thanks for all the great information and support!!
I've read the various detox protocol issues you've posted links to, as well as the dental detox methods!
One idea, from an early Klinghardt protocol, was that the "bad bugs" sop up metals. So, our bodies tend to make a "deal" with the bacteria and viruses--they can live inside us as long as they keep the toxins inside THEM! Otherwise, the level of toxins we carry would kill or incapacitate us! WOW!
When we get rid of the metals, the body doesn't need the bacteria and viruses any more, so can get rid of them.
Also a caution on trying to kill the bugs off too quickly, eh??
At any rate, I'd appreciate a link to the most recent Klinghardt detox protocol, please. I'm getting ready to order what I need from his on-line store, BioPure.
Best,
Cass A
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There is no biological dentist out there who is inexpensive. And no matter what precautions they take, if you don't methylate, you could have issues. So best to get your body ready for such a procedure as it changes the entire terrain. Even when I get my teeth cleaned, I'm out of it for a few days.
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Many of us started the drops when in "bad shape." No time like the present.
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I suggest you go back to the beginning of the thread and read posts by GiGi. All your questions will be answered. Best not to reinvent the wheel here -- you owe it to yourself to spend the time doing the research and educating yourself.
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Wow! I started Round #8 after a three month break and it is kicking me around the block. I'm taking alot of binders and liver support yet still feel tissue pain, joint and bone pain, and fatigue. Also have monkey mind that cries out "Mercury Head!"
It is pretty amazing to see how quickly the old detox engines are revving up. I know I've been detoxing all along, but geez!
Rock and roll!
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Many of us started the drops when in "bad shape." No time like the present
To Lex: Im sorry,Im not a native english speaker and I don't understand what you mean,do you mean many of people started the drops when they feel bad and get better after that?
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Wisefor it - can you explain "monkey mind" in relation to mercury? Right away my son came to mind- he's been a total monkey lately, and I'm sure mercury is an issue for him - I've been feeling like we're hitting the more intense detox stage lately....
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FeelBetter--I started the drops when I was feeling bad and they have been very good for me. I have more energy and have been able to do things I was not able to do beforehand.
The reason for taking the drops for most of us is that we weren't feeling well --
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I am on Round Six and am slowing down - yesterday didn't take any . . . the stuff deep in brain started to detox and I felt that awful vertigo one nite and my temporal lobes felt like they had wings.
The microsilica did not help make me feel better--contrary to popular belief, it mobilized stuff more. So it would seem that the deeper you go into the treatment, the deeper layers are released and we just have to remember that this is good even tho we may not like it.
Also when you're feeling lousy, it's not easy to test yourself with BioTensor to see what binders you need. I just load up on chlorella and apple pectin but will really watch that microsilica.
Another thing: when we're hit by a lot of stress, the microbes feel it before we do and start procreating. We just put my mom in assisted living, disposed of her stuff in her apt., and all that emotional baggage that goes along with such transitions threw me for a loop. Guess it's time for family constellation work.
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I know it's all personal choice but Im really confused.
I don't feel well at this moment (having lots of pain,fatigue,brain fog...etc) I don't know should I do the aggressive abx treatment first then do the AI later or directly jump to AI treatment.
I don't know what the AI treatment can help for lyme and co-infection..
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quote:Can anyone please make suggestions on binders and support products (brands and dosages)? I don't yet have someone who can ART test me, but my LLMD does muscle testing. At least that is something. In the meantime, what products should I purchase to have ready?
It appears that Tammy's questions may have been answered via PM or just not answered (yet). I have the exact same questions.
Before I do things, I like to know what I'm getting into and what it's going to involve.
So far what I've gathered is:
1. You order the testing and treatment and pay online.
2. They send you a kit so that you can send them your DNA either saliva or blood.
3. They send you these drops to correct your DNA dysregulation issues. I guess these drops are taken sublingually? You will have up to 6 or 7 rounds of drops (depending on your individual case). Along with the drops, they give you instructions in Deutsche.
4. Taking the drops and correcting your immune dysfunctions will cause whatever toxins they are working on to mobilize. Your detoxing pathways will not be able to safely eliminate all of the toxins generated, so you need to use binders to help get them out.
This is where it all falls apart for me. I would expect that the company providing the drops would clue you in and let you know what binders to take, but apparently that's not the case.
So you have to go to a doctor for ART testing (I don't know what that is) or muscle testing (which I think is hocus-pocus) to figure out what binders to take?
This is where it gets a bit frustrating because I'd hate to have to pay an ND just to find out what binders to take.
Can't you just take some broad spectrum binders, like chlorella and apple pectin as Lex mentioned?
It seems a little irresponsible for AI to send you these drops without advising you on detoxing.
Some people use a Bio Tensor machine to figure out what binders to take? What is that?
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I would suggest to all of you who have questions to read the AI website by googling
There is no shortcut to getting well. For the fee AI charges for the total therapy, you cannot expect to have them holding your hand all the way through in your language. They are available all the time during office hours for you to call, but they are not hiring people to speak in your language. In Germany, the language used is German.
Everything possible question is discussed somewhere through this thread.
If you cannot do it yourself, you will find some practitioners listed on the AI website who are working with this therapy in their practice in this country. Check them out.
Other than that, if you send them the saliva and short list of symptoms, and pay the fee, you do not need to wait for a test kit. The way to do it is described in this thread several times. Translate the website.
Ask AI to send you the brochure "Information for Clients" or find it in this thread.
Search LN for Biotensor, ART testing, Autonomic Response Testing, Pendulum testing, etc. Or go to the internet and search. We all learned about it. You need to learn to do your own homework.
Sorry, I am tired of having to repeat things over and over and over. If you read this thread, you will learn. It took me 12 years to learn to help myself to get well and I am still learning more every day. But nobody handed it to me "free of charge". Dr. K. put me to "work" researching the first visit telling me that this is a disease where the patient has to participate. I took home a sack full of videos and CD's and started to learn. Nothing was without effort. Please think about it and don't call AI "irresponsible." That doesn't fly with me at all. They have gone out of their way to communicate. They are a German company, are ready on the phone for everyone that wants to call, but in Germany the language is German and that's the way it is. Learn German or use other methods to communicate.
Take care.
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Feelfit -- your mailbox is full. Trying to reach you.
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Chaps,
I don't see how AI could send you information on detoxing when everyone handles detoxing differently. Different binders work well for some and not for others. That is where your health care provider can help if you can a practioner who knows something about detoxing. Or you can energy test.
I was surprised at how extreme my reaction has been to releasing heavy metals and it seems to go on and on, but I am muddling my way through.
Best wishes. Hiker53
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Chaps - no one sent me a PM on binders, detoxing agents, etc. Regarding AI, I'm just taking a leap of faith, hoping it will all fall into place.
AI participants - it would be really helpful if you would be willing to send a new post here about what binders and detox agents have worked for you. (brands, etc.) It would be a great help to us AI newbies who are still trying to pull together all of the pieces. Would appreciate any advice you could offer.
I've been reading this thread since the beginning. I'm almost on pg. 10. Very engaged with all of your stories. Still have many, many more hours to read.
Thanks so much, Tammy
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Was just browsing through my thousand notes from Dr. K.
One stands out: "Parasites are at the core of what makes Lyme patients sick."
Be sure you have addressed that issue and readdressed it again. Often they will not be gone with the first, second or even third treatment.
As I keep testing, I find them again in people -even if I thought they are now taken care of. No, they aren't. Learn to test yourself with an anti-parasitic and you will get your answer very quickly and can address the subject again.
Untreated worms mess with our system if we let it go. They take the best out of us and we are left with little to heal. I have posted repeatedly on LN about this for years.
Take care.
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Tammy - having used a biontensor for two years, it has become really easy to know what binder or any other substance is appropriate at any given moment.
A protocol that tells me to take something every 5 hours (for example) does not work for me.
Timing can be everything when dealing with heavy metals. What might work well on Monday afternoon, your body may not want on Wednesday -
The binders I use are:
Chorella from BioPure
Charcoal (careful timing or it will bind nutrients)
Apple pectin
zeolite
chitosan
There is DMSA and the like but I think those are best used under the care of a practitioner.
Some days I test for large amounts of chlorella, other days my body wants none or something else.
That is the beauty of being able to test yourself.
There are lots of binders and I may have left some out, but those are the ones I use.
Other than that I get a hair test every 3 months so I can see what is leaving in the way of heavy metals and how my mineral base is.
I take a LOT of minerals and a few things for organ support.
Hope that helps.
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NanaDubo - yes, this does help. Thanks so much!!!
I only found a German site for the biotensor. If I just order it, will I be able to figure it out on my own? Or did yours come with an English manual by any chance?
If it's not too many questions, may I ask what mineral products you take and what organ support?
Thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Have a beautiful day, Tammy
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everyone talks about binder here,what's the reason to take it? can I just take the AI drops?
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The biontensor comes with a booklet in English. It just takes practice.
I take Minerals of Life, Matrix Minerals, Core and magnesium glycinate. Sometimes Comprehensive Minerals.
Organ support when needed - LiverLife, Pekana Renelix for kidneys and Itires or red root for lymph.
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Hey Tammy: HERE is a link to a place in Canada that sells one. The site is in English.
Thought I'd answer that one for you before you got your head bitten off as I did.
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For Tammmy and others interested in finding answers:
This is the website we talked about a few days ago on the phone of Vernon who makes a lovely inexpensive tensor. www.phkillscancer.com I use the one he made for me and I really love it.
I started several years ago with this tensor from www.bioplasma.de (use google to translate). I also have Dr. Oberbach's book which he wrote many years ago. But it is very technical and I have not managed to get through it yet. The Oberbach tensor is undoubtedly the best I have seen and is used by MD's and ND's in practice. It is a very fine instrument.
In general, I have found it best to start practicing and get help from others who use a tensor often. The best way to learn is to practice. As I promised you, I will help if you need it. So just call me.
Take care.
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Thanks Gigi. I sent Vernon an email.
I remember you telling me about him. But I thought you were just offering a lower-cost alternative. Now knowing how much you love it, I think this is the one I will go for.
Thanks again! Tammy
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Chaps - thanks for this site above.. Although it's not the original Biotensor, it claims to be a "precise version" of it. Looks good. And the price is nice also - only $35.75.
Gigi - if you have a moment, would you mind checking out the site above that Chaps provided? How does this look to you?
I'm going to see what info Vernon comes back to me with. Then I'll make a final decision.
Great info.
Thanks, friends, Tammy
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Feelbetter, the idea of using 'binders' is to help escort out of the body any viral debris/toxins that the drops may encourage you to release into your bloodstream.
People with Lyme and other chronic illnesses often have problems clearing this for themselves, and in any case, can become overloaded.
Chaps, you mention up to 6 or 7 rounds on AI, but most of us are taking/have taken far more than this: I'm about to start round 12 and there are lots of people further along than that.
One reason that AI do not give advice re. 'binders' [or indeed other quasi-medical advice] is that the therapy is not there just for people with serious illness such as Lyme: many people do the therapy for hayfever or a food allergy and they are likely to complete treatment more easily and in fewer rounds.
Herr G is not a Lyme expert as such and cannot be expected to give advice as if he were.
Like Nanadubo, I have a number of 'binders' to hand, including Biopure's Chlorella P., charcoal, apple pectin powder, MSM, amongst others. I use the chlorella a lot and also a blend of binders and herbs[such as clay, apple pectin, charcoal, linseed, Marshmallow and fennel seed] that I buy in UK.
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Hi -- quick question: I have recently been getting horrible heartburn that radiates from my sternum throughout my chest tissue and sometimes into the middle of my back. Can chlorella p. cause this? I take a fair amount as well as daily apple pectin.
I don't have heart problems, don't have gallbladder problems, but I have had this heartburn for the last week or so! Pepcid AC is helping put some of the fire out, although I'm not thrilled to be taking it. I'm avoiding Prevacid and other proton-pump stuff.
Any thoughts?
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Wise, please go here and scroll down. Take a break here and there and take less. More is not always better.
Alternating with some of the other binders is also a good idea. Our body has the tendency to become allergic to some of the best stuff especially when it adds some burden for the body which it is not used to. Chlorella also mobilizes some toxins from the extracellular space.
I have always tried to alternate literally everything we take. Never the same constantly. Once you start testing energetically, you will realize how much the body changes as it moves along doing the cleanup.
You may want to try Betasitosterol as a binder. I really like Swanson's Vitamins Liposan Chitosan. It can be taken with the meal and you do not have to take it before as with others.
But do test anything you use. And with any binder, make sure that you do not get constipated.
I also use charcoal. But always test and add something to avoid constipation which would be counterproductive because elimination should follow as quickly as possible. And all these, because they are high fiber content, tend to do that.
If lowering/alternating chlorella doesn't help it, need to look further.
Are you taking any digestive enzymes?
Take care.
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Tammy, the tensor, besides the fact that some are constructed scientifically and are therefore much more sensitive and accurate, it is important that it feels good when you hold it and responds with your own energy.
A wonderful German Klinghardt therapist years ago sent me two tensors, exactly the type she uses in her practice. She is fully booked all year. Those two did nothing for me. They simply did not budge/move to anything I was trying to test. I could never get them to work for me.
Then I found the Bioplasma tensor. The second I held it in my hand I knew that's the one. I bought it and have used it for several years now many times a day. I then wanted to have a less expensive one and asked Vern to make me one. He builds it with the tester in mind. It also works quite nicely for me, but never as precise as the Bioplasma one. It does a good job and I really am comfortable with it and I carry it with me in my purse or testing someone in the hospital --- ! I have been looked at a few times as probably the crazy lady! So be it.
It is difficult to describe and it takes having them in your hand and feeling it. I would say start with Vern's and learn and if it works for you save your quarters for a while for the more expensive one. My guess is that the one shown (Canada) if the metal is stiff because it costs a lot less, it is more difficult to use.
Take care. You be the judge.
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Tammy - I ordered a very small (didn't know until it arrived) biotensor from Italy a couple of years ago.
It looks just like the one from Bioplasma but is very small and has never moved for me or for a doctor in Germany who tried to use it when I was there.
I also have one made by Vernon that I like for traveling but it is no where near as sensitive as the biotensor.
If I had started out with one of these others, I might have been discouraged, but they might work well for you. Like Gigi said, holding it in your hand is key.
I have tried a few that other people have and I still have not held one that feels the way the one from Bioplasma does.
My local health food store has one that I had never seen before. They keep a little pile of them for people to use before buying supplements etc (nice).
I really like the one they had. I'll go back and see how much it is and try to find out the name of it.
At some point this conversation will have to go to how to test to see if your regulation is open or blocked (if you don't already know how). If you are blocked, nothing will test properly. At a later date.
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wiser - now that you mention it, when I was taking rather large amounts of chlorella a few weeks ago I did have a little nausea and heartburn.
I used Alka Seltzer Gold and got quick relief. I think you can only get it through Amazon.
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Could someone post a link about where to buy betasitostaerol and chitosan. There are many options of the web and I'm not sure which is the quiality product.
Thanks
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I'v not read all the posts, just sending an update for my husband and daughter, both doing AI.
Daughter: Her awful mosquito bite allergies are much better (not gone though, but much better). She got a recent rash on her leg that is going out now. I wonder what that means...
I feel she's stronger (not catching that many colds like last year).... But only time will tell. She's also on Vit D3, so I'm not sure what is making what.
Her appetite is good, but not as good as in the beginning of the therapy. But I feel she eats more or less the right amount, while before AI, she ate so little. I feel she's less picky to eat too.
She's on her 10th month lyme free... I wonder how this winter will go (she was sick with lyme for the last 4 years in winter...). We are waiting for the round 3 of AI.
Husband: he never got lyme but got many allergies since he was born. His general health condition has improved, his skin is beautiful except for his hands, his mood is better too despite extreme stress in work. He still got many food allergies though and he's eager to get some improvement there too!
We're barely taking anything to help detoxing... But still things improve without any pain. My daughter tested once for chlorella, then never more, so I didn't give her. She's taking Rechtsregulat daily though.
As for warts, she's got one in her foot too, but that was before the AI. But she's going to the pool 2x week for months and haven't got new ones. I hope this one will go...
her warts are viral.
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Gigi, thank you for your post. I am waiting to hear back from Vernon.
NanaDubo, thank you also. When you do find the name of the one at your local HST that would be great. Thanks.
Also, interesting about possibly being "blocked". I would not have even thought of this as a possibility. When you have a moment and could share more, that would be great.
It's so nice to share info and coach each other. Thank you much.
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Desseret Biologicals has Betasitoserl (homeopathic capsules) with mycoplasma dilutions.
Google CHITOPOWER -- apparently it is cleaner and more powerful than other chitosan products on market. An MS patient recovered from Lyme solely on that product. Goes after the bacteria, crosses blood brain barrier and pulls out the bad guys.
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Lex, can't seem to find CHITOPOWER. Can you give more details, please. Thank you.
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Gigi,
Try this site for chitopower. I am not sure it is the one Lex is speaking of, but it has some information. http://www.chitopower.com/
Blessings.
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yes, that is the site and CHITOPOWER has helped many people with serious Lyme. It's not cheap. Apparently it passes BBB and scoops up the bacteria and pulls it out.
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CHITOPOWER also (in my experience) does create a detox reaction. Can feel it pulling stuff from brain.
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Having just told some people that I am about to start round 12, I have just received the 'no further energetically relevant' letter and the detailed current results alongside the initial results.
Like some others, I am baffled by some of the results, although most show improvement, 13 results are still outside normal range and 2 have apparently worsened. For example, 3.1 Available bioenergy capacity in percent has a normal range of 60 to 90 [%]. I started on 21 [%] and am now 6 [%]. Can anyone shed light on this ?
At this point, any improvements I feel are subtle [I do seem to be able to stand and to walk for a little longer before feeling much worse and desperate to get off my feet].
Do other people recommend that I contact Herr G and suggest sending another sample after 2 or 3 months?
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Lex, can you say any more about Chitopower? Have you been using it long and how did you hear of it? How many do you take per day?
Thanks,
Carry
Do you think it is contraindicated if you are high in copper?
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Carry, Have you done any intake of abx, etc.? It happened to a number of people that testing would not reveal more after they had done abx and/or numerous other therapies while on the drops. They waited a few weeks and retested.
Have you checked out KPU/HPU? If you are missing the very basic minerals for whatever reason, detoxing cannot happen. Maybe you should listen to the video below.
The longer you have been ill, the longer it takes. And remember that the results of AI do not happen instantly for everybody who has been really ill. AI turns the key to the engine - and the immune system steps in. But don't expect an instant miracle.
If KPU is a factor, which is the case for the majority of the people, you need to address that.
Have you done a hairtest to see your mineral status? It is part of the hairtest at Doctor's Data for $46. That will reveal a lot! Lacking essential minerals, detoxing is not possible.
You may want to check these out.
Take care.
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Thank you for your reply, Gigi. I did take antibiotics in the gaps for the first 2 rounds of AI, but not again after you posted the fuller information in translation. I have only really taken vitamins, minerals and binders.
I have taken most of the components recommended for KPU, and have an unopened CORE bottle but have not been tested and I haven't had a hair test for a number of years either, so I will look into those.
My previous test results still showed lots of dysregulations, which is partly why I was so surprised. I think I will write to Herr G and ask if I should resubmit later.
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Carry, Any good practitioner can judge by your hairtest/ minerals whether KPU is a factor. The body grabs whatever mineral it can to heal itself until nothing is left. Further, the tests in Europe (www.hputest.nl) are more reliable than the ones here. I know there are some practitioners in England who are familiar with all. Or start learning to test yourself. That is how I figured out very quickly that KPU was a problem in my husband. Then you can still do the lab, if you want another test. As long as they are only semi-accurate as here, I am not going to depend on them. If you listen to the video I posted for you, you will quickly understand what a huge problem this is for so many. AI corrects your dysregulations, but I don't think it can supply you with major missing ingredients if that is the case. Absorption is a problem that cannot be overcome instantly. Leaky Gut has to heal. Supplementing minerals in the right way is so important.
Yes, write to HG. If you want, suggest to him to send his German answer to me and I will translate. I think he understands what you will tell him, but has problem writing you in English. He knows that I will happily translate.
Take care.
P.S. I tried to fiddle with the individual missing components and decided on CORE, because as Dr. K. learns more, it is also being revised. He changed the composition already from what it was a couple of years ago. He is not satisfied at all with the Depyrral available in Europe and he is in constant touch with many of the ART medical doctors/ practitioners worldwide who all deal with KPU patients. Nothing stays the same. More and more is learned.
Take care.
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We are awaiting our 6th round. My husband recently air gunned a 1 inch staple right through the end of his finger nail, right through the bone. He's now had to take both antibiotics, and a tetanus shot. We live on a farm, and there is tetanus in our area, so it felt like the right thing to do in this case. We took a wait and see approach with the antibiotics, but it still got infected.
My question is: I understand that he will need to wait to send his next sample in - is 6�weeks the right amount from the time he completes the antibiotics? What about the drops tho - can he take those after he has finished the antibiotics, or does he need to wait to take those as well? I thought I remembered someone saying here that it was ok to take the drops, but to wait to send the sample. I just want to make sure.
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Thank you so much, Gigi: that's most kind of you.
PS I have just watched the video you posted [except for the last 20 minutes, when I inadvertently closed the page and sent it back to the beginning! I got to the part where Dr K has talked about Microsilica and was talking about a Garry Gordon product ACZ Nano? Zeo Gold?
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My computer was out of commission for a while.
Thanks to Lex and Hiker for the chitopower information.
Also just watched the absolutely fantastic presentation above by Dr. K about KPU. I did note one important finding for me, and that is that some people experience nausea with zinc supplementation. This is because most people with KPU do not make enough stomach acid to break down the Zinc.
Although Dr. K referenced it on the video, he did not really offer a solution.
So what have you all done to improve you stomach acid capabilities?
Also, how slowly did you all start your Zn? Trace levels are about all I can handle right now.
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I have heard back from HG to resubmit a sample in 3 months,
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I took one CORE cap. for 2 days in a row and felt terrible. Dizzy. Depressed. Wobbly.
The microsilica MOBILIZES toxins...no matter what anyone says. I felt like my brain was going to fly away.
Would seem betaine HCL would help stomach acid -- I take two after each meal (Premier Research Labs makes a clean one from beets).
One could start off with one quarter of a tab of zinc and then build up. I had no problem with zinc.
I do better with the MicroMins and use mag. oil on my skin as Dr. K. says those with Lyme need to be careful of taking mag. internally.
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Have you done the KPU test? I would not take any CORE unless tested with a dependable method. My husband tests for 4 or 5 CORE almost daily. I test for none or one. With tensor and same with ART.
Lex, I would send a CORE cap to HG with your next saliva and have him test and include it in your next bottle. Crush it and flatwrap it, so it gets through the mail okay. You probably are not nearly done enough correcting and anything.
I myself even though still holding on to some metals do not test often for Microsilica. I simply do not use what I don't test for. Nobody knows it better than my body. Same for my husband.
Remember that when you are finally letting go of some metals, the fungi follow right with or behind it. The die-off of fungi is much more felt in a negative way than toxic metals. You will feel horrible.
I can only say it over and over again. Learn to test yourself before you put anything in your mouth considered supplements. It is so easy to get a simple tensor and a few minutes every day to practice a little, and in no time you can test 50 items in a very short time.
I make a cocktail out of everything that tests that is not a typical mineral. I take the minerals away from binders and cocktail. I alwasy include phospholipids and make a smooth drink topped off with grapefruit Juice.
I thought you had some testing equipment that would indicate whether CORE is okay for you now. If you are not far enough through AI, I would wait a bit. There are many obstacles that will be cleared/corrected as the therapy continues. You may not be able yet to produce all the necessary enzymes that are needed for the metabolizing of certain substances. I don't know. Just have some patience.
Testing every pill I put in my mouth - whether it is the same old calcium or different forms of magnesium -- when my body wants it, it tells me via the tensor. The ingredients in my drink change every day. I test and then prepare the drink/Dr.K. calls it cocktail for two days and keep some in fridge.
When my ART doctors who do this for a living test my cocktail they are amazed at the quality of it. We are not alike and have different needs. T I do it with the tensor. Others use whatever works for them.
I made the cocktail as suggested by Dr. K. without actually testing me only once and learned my lesson. Again, we all have different needs. I follow the basic principle, but I let my body decide the rest.
For anyone interested: this is Vern's website for an inexpensive tensor www.phkillscancer.com I even decide which binder today, or low or high ph water. I have found that my first cup of a good brew of coffee unblocks me for testing, if I have had a strong detox night. Or someone may test for lemonwater in the AM or midday. All that can guide you successfully through the detox days. The ph requirements change by the hour, and if you can test, why not and feel more comfortable.
Just some ideas to avoid some of the pitfalls of detoxing.
Make yourself a test kit: one capsule or a few drops in a vial of all the different supplements and remedies you have, binders, organ supports, etc. If you test through these and come up with your kidney drops or dandelion tincture, you know it's high time to support your organs and slow down the rest! If you test for charcoal, you know too much toxin needs to find its way out. Slow down a bit, etc. etc.
Take care.
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Lex or others,
Why does Dr. K say to avoid Mg internally. I get foot cramps a lot from sweating out toxins and the potassium always seems to come with magnesium, whether it is in liquid form to drink or capsule form.
Thanks.
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Apparently the Lyme critters feed on magnesium and he states emphatically that mag. needs not to be given orally. Good luck trying to get into your system as much as you need!
I don't understand what you mean by "the potassium always seems to come with magnesium. "
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"Why does Dr. K say to avoid Mg internally?"
Hiker, could you give the place where you found this specifically?
Thank you.
Lex,
"and he states emphatically that mag. needs not to be given orally"
Please give the link where Dr. K. said this. If it is on a DVD, please tell me which one. I have so many and would like to go back to find the discussion on this to refresh my own memory.
Thanks a lot.
Take care.
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Can anyone tell me what to do about my previous question? I have read the entire thread, but I can't remember - and i have no idea where I would find the answer.
My husband is taking antbiotics. We are expecting our 6th round to arrive any day in the mail.
I need to know first off if he needs to wait until finished the antibiotics to take the drops, and secondly how long he should wait to send a sample after that - 6 weeks? 2 months?
I emailed AI and the response was that he can send the sample immediately, which doesn't sound right.
Anyone?
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